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Jimill's Avatar Comment 1 by Jimill

"...an Indian Muslim group from Uttar Pradesh state offered a bounty of 500,000 rupees ($13,000 Cdn) for her beheading."

Rioting politicians, calls for her death and a bounty for her beheading... all because their "feelings are hurt"?

Sticks and stones people!

It's so ironic how most muslims will claim they are part of a peaceful religion. All the while knowing their teacher, the "supposed" prophet Mohammed, was a war-mongering army general.

Mon, 03 Sep 2007 11:48:00 UTC | #64025

ridelo's Avatar Comment 2 by ridelo

I prefer that they hurt my feelings in stead of my body...

Mon, 03 Sep 2007 12:14:00 UTC | #64030

captain underpants's Avatar Comment 3 by captain underpants

Several lawmakers and members of a conservative Muslim political party threw flowers and other items at her and called for her death ... she writes about the poor treatment of Hindus in mostly Muslim Bangladesh, and rape and mistreatment of women in Muslim societies.


From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taslima_Nasrin:

In 1994, organised groups identified with Islamic fundamentalists demanded her execution by hanging after she was quoted in The Statesman stating that "... the Koran should be revised thoroughly."

And we atheists have to put up with being called fundamentalists for criticising such divinely inspired hatred.



Here is an online petition to defend Taslima Nasrin:

http://www.petitiononline.com/Taslima1/petition.html

Mon, 03 Sep 2007 13:02:00 UTC | #64046

roach's Avatar Comment 4 by roach

Criminal charges for rabble rousing? Unreal.

I suppose Christians can sue Muslims for denying that Jesus is the son of God, Muslims can sue Christians for denying that Muhammad is God's Prophet, and Jews can sue both parties for claiming that the Last Prophet has already appeared.

Mon, 03 Sep 2007 13:22:00 UTC | #64051

anshul's Avatar Comment 5 by anshul

As an Indian I can only say that I feel helpless. There is no howto that tells you how to get a stupid law changed. I wish I could do something more than just blog about it. :(

Mon, 03 Sep 2007 13:50:00 UTC | #64060

Fanusi Khiyal's Avatar Comment 6 by Fanusi Khiyal

The Religion of Peace rears its head once more. You know, given what India went through under Muslim rule, I'd think that they'd not react too kindly to this kind of bullying.

Mon, 03 Sep 2007 14:00:00 UTC | #64062

nancy2001's Avatar Comment 7 by nancy2001

The world would be so much better off without the Muslim religion.

Mon, 03 Sep 2007 14:11:00 UTC | #64068

Russell Blackford's Avatar Comment 8 by Russell Blackford

India is so often held up to the world as a model democracy, but in many ways it is still a repressive society. The best that can be said for it is that it's a lot less repressive than Pakistan.

I signed the petition after some consideration. I do wish such petitions were kept shorter so that people don't have to worry about whether they agree with every thought, or whether they have enough knowledge to do so.

Mon, 03 Sep 2007 14:38:00 UTC | #64077

BigJohn's Avatar Comment 9 by BigJohn

nancy2001

"The world would be so much better off without the Muslim religion."

Should read: The world would be so much better off without the Muslim religion.

Mon, 03 Sep 2007 14:38:00 UTC | #64078

dancingthemantaray's Avatar Comment 10 by dancingthemantaray

Yeah, but Islam is a much greater threat to the world than any other religion, is much more violent and openly repressive to women.

Mon, 03 Sep 2007 14:55:00 UTC | #64085

icanus's Avatar Comment 11 by icanus

Several lawmakers and members of a conservative Muslim political party threw flowers and other items at her and called for her death.


Nasreen will face criminal charges


Am I missing something here, or do these two statements not add up?

Mon, 03 Sep 2007 15:12:00 UTC | #64093

automath's Avatar Comment 12 by automath

Let me see if I have this right, according to John Humphrys we should play this down so as not to upset the Buchanans and the millions like them, after all we don't want to draw peoples attention to the realities of the world around them.

Mon, 03 Sep 2007 15:18:00 UTC | #64094

Crazymalc's Avatar Comment 13 by Crazymalc

You hurt our feelings, therefore we behead you.

*shakes head in disbelief*

Reminds me of the furor over those Mohammed cartoons in Denmark. You drew a picture and we'll riot causing much damage and the loss of 12 (?) lives

Mon, 03 Sep 2007 17:04:00 UTC | #64114

PrimeNumbers's Avatar Comment 14 by PrimeNumbers

First, we need a new conscience raiser - "The religion of peace". Should be challenged whenever heard, with "Muslims are not peaceful."

Secondly, I think the very existance of Muslims is offensive. Their belief system is offensive to human dignity, their holy book offensive full stop. Before a single Muslim says they're offended, or that they've got hurt feelings or whatever they're winging on about this week, they should stop and look at their religion and their book and how their existance offends humanity.

Mon, 03 Sep 2007 17:32:00 UTC | #64118

kraut's Avatar Comment 15 by kraut

"and look at their religion and their book and how their existance offends humanity."

Just have a read through the septics annotated bible and read about the violence, ethnic cleansing, believe in ones tribes superiority, child and wife abuse, hatred of other religions, of foreigners etc. This seems to be all too common to all of the religions sprouting from this half desiccated area.

Maybe it is the poverty of the land that inflames the brain with an almost absolut hatred of anything that is not of ones own tribe, of ones own belief. Tolerance is not something one applies to either jewish, christian or the muslim religion.

Mon, 03 Sep 2007 17:44:00 UTC | #64123

PeterK's Avatar Comment 16 by PeterK

"Bangladeshi author Taslima Nasreen will face criminal charges in India after being accused of stirring up religious enmity."

as long as laws such as this still exist on this planet, mankind could never be considered 'civilized'

Mon, 03 Sep 2007 18:05:00 UTC | #64127

EvolvedDNA's Avatar Comment 17 by EvolvedDNA

Lets not fret.. thousands of Muslims will be protesting this outrage once they hear of the threats to Taslima as this will give Islam another black eye... yeh right. What is it with Islam and decapitation anyway,,, is the only way they can think of in getting a head in life?

Mon, 03 Sep 2007 18:19:00 UTC | #64130

wolf mechanics's Avatar Comment 18 by wolf mechanics

This is exactly the sort of thing that the phrase "WTF" was invented for.

Under Indian law, promoting "disharmony or feelings of enmity, hatred or ill will" between religious groups is punishable by up to three years in jail.

Even if you look past the glaring unfairness of this law only applying "between religious groups", and the fact that if you replaced this phrase with "towards all and sundry" there wouldn't be enough prisons to hold all the muslim offenders, HOW IS ISLAM NOT INHERENTLY BREAKING THIS LAW EVEN AS IT STANDS NOW?!

Mon, 03 Sep 2007 18:26:00 UTC | #64134

Solarium Solaris's Avatar Comment 19 by Solarium Solaris

"Several lawmakers and members of a conservative Muslim political party threw flowers and other items at her and called for her death."

Am I missing something here? Calling for the poor girls death whilst flinging flowers at her? Seems like a very mixed message. Don't get me wrong, I'm definitely glad that that is what they threw at her, but if they were so furiated would it not make more sense to use bottles and rocks?

Mon, 03 Sep 2007 18:39:00 UTC | #64139

sabre_truth's Avatar Comment 20 by sabre_truth

I can understand, given India's history, why it would have a law of this kind. It is not just Muslims, but also Hindus and to some degree Sikhs who have engaged in sectarian violence there. They are very nervous about those kinds of things being stirred up.

That being said, I still reject any such law on principle as a restriction of freedom of expression. It is the same way I feel about the laws against "Holocaust denial" in several European countries.

What they need is enforcement of laws against real crimes. If someone is being harassed and threatened, they should be protected and the perpetrators punished. If there is rioting between Muslims and Hindus, the mobs should be rounded up and jailed.

The great irony is it is Nasreen herself who is the victim here, who should be protected against these barbarians, yet she is being charged with a crime for simply voicing her opinion. Insanity.

Mon, 03 Sep 2007 19:21:00 UTC | #64146

Vinelectric's Avatar Comment 21 by Vinelectric

The world would be so much better off without the Muslim religion.

First, we need a new conscience raiser - "The religion of peace". Should be challenged whenever heard, with "Muslims are not peaceful.

Secondly, I think the very existance of Muslims is offensive.


There's a feeling in the muslim world that that has been the attitude all along, way before the emergence of the current wave of fudamentalism. There are several predominantely muslim countries where thousands of non-muslims/westerners are truly welcome: Malaysia, Morocco, Tunisia, Emirates, Qatar, Egypt, Jordan and other popular holiday destinations. To conclude that the millions of good people who inhabit these countries are as worthless as the irrresponsible mob who threw the flowers (!!) at the Bangladeshi writer probably says more about those who write such drivel than their victims.

Mon, 03 Sep 2007 19:41:00 UTC | #64149

Sittingduck's Avatar Comment 22 by Sittingduck

blockquote>To conclude that the millions of good people who inhabit these countries are as worthless as the irrresponsible mob who threw the flowers (!!) at the Bangladeshi writer probably says more about those who write such drivel than their victims.


I agree that it makes little sense to make sweeping generalizations about Islam, but at some point it would be helpful to hear peace loving muslims condem these outrageous actions.
You just never hear people of authority within Islam condem the violent wingnuts. Why is that?
Event after event and nothing...

Mon, 03 Sep 2007 20:10:00 UTC | #64152

PRJ's Avatar Comment 23 by PRJ

As an Indian, I am appalled by this. The Indian government - specifically the Congress government (the government currently in power at the centre and the state) is terrified of "hurting the sentiments" of the Muslim "minority community". Hence, they don't care if other freedoms are lost, so long as the Muslims aren't offended. It's known as "vote-bank" politics in India.

But this also needs some historical context. Millions died in the partition following independence, and hence, Indian governments are always wary of small incidents turning into savage "communal riots". The tragedy is that militancy in Islam is provoking fundamentalism in other religions. The Christian school that I attended was started by the British (pre independence), and is owned/controlled by a powerful church. There was little preaching or evangelism when I attended. Though children of Christian parents had to compulsorily attend Chapel, we (children of non-Christian parents) were free to attend Chapel only if we wanted to. Now, the school has changed its policy and the Bible is now a taught subject; ALL kids have to pass a Bible exam.

Mon, 03 Sep 2007 20:48:00 UTC | #64154

Edanator's Avatar Comment 24 by Edanator

"Several lawmakers and members of a conservative Muslim political party threw flowers and other items at her and called for her death."

"In March, an Indian Muslim group from Uttar Pradesh state offered a bounty of 500,000 rupees ($13,000 Cdn) for her beheading."

Aren't life-threats illegal? A political party openly calling for the death of someone should be banned immediately and it's leaders charged. If you offer money to have someone killed you should be charged for attempted murder. Basically the muslim group is looking to hire an anonymous killer.

Mon, 03 Sep 2007 22:39:00 UTC | #64160

hungarianelephant's Avatar Comment 25 by hungarianelephant

Summary: Don't say we're not a religion of peace. Or we'll kill you. Allahu Akbar!

Mon, 03 Sep 2007 23:43:00 UTC | #64168

Veronique's Avatar Comment 26 by Veronique

Sitting Duck

Check your blockquote instructions. I have only recently learned how to do this so I am chuffed.

big smile
Cheers
V

Mon, 03 Sep 2007 23:57:00 UTC | #64169

HunterZolomon's Avatar Comment 27 by HunterZolomon

I recall a protesting muslim described in The God Delusion bearing a sign that said "Behead those who claim Islam is a violent religion". Still my favorite.

Tue, 04 Sep 2007 00:20:00 UTC | #64174

Jiten's Avatar Comment 28 by Jiten

Under Indian law, promoting "disharmony or feelings of enmity, hatred or ill will" between religious groups is punishable by up to three years in jail.


Funny that as all the right-wing hindu politicians are freely doing just this.

Tue, 04 Sep 2007 00:26:00 UTC | #64175

Vaal's Avatar Comment 29 by Vaal

Please please please can some brave muslim produce the equivalent of the "Life of Brian". I would love to see a muslim equivalent of Dave Allen.

The only way to deal with this "offense culture" and to respond to this primitive mindless retrogade religion is to show it up as the nonsense it really is, with humour and satire.

Tue, 04 Sep 2007 00:32:00 UTC | #64178

Oromasdes1978's Avatar Comment 30 by Oromasdes1978

I signed the petition and left a comment questioning the need to behead those who disagree with others and then came up with a rather odd thought.

Islam means peace yes? These fundamentalist monkeys scream rant and yell that its a religion of peace till they are nice shade of puce. I finally understand what the peace is referring to- Infidels. They want peace by eradication of anything that disagrees with their world view. Once the Infidels are off the planet, yippie its peace time! Hows that for a theory?

Philip

Tue, 04 Sep 2007 00:36:00 UTC | #64179