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BAEOZ's Avatar Comment 1 by BAEOZ

The west seems to want to kill itself in the name of tolerance. Relativism sucks.

Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:57:00 UTC | #69812

Mango's Avatar Comment 2 by Mango

I'm always puzzled why the UK and America support a repressive monarchical country like Saudi Arabia. Puzzled, that is, until I remember the arms we sell to them and oil we buy from them.

Mon, 24 Sep 2007 21:01:00 UTC | #69813

Russell Blackford's Avatar Comment 3 by Russell Blackford

You'd think the police in a liberal democracy like the UK would have better things to do than try to suppress freedom of speech - but what do I know?

Mon, 24 Sep 2007 21:21:00 UTC | #69823

Theocrapcy's Avatar Comment 4 by Theocrapcy

The police dept in this case should be reprimanded and fined for wasting taxpayers money and the courts time.

Mon, 24 Sep 2007 21:58:00 UTC | #69830

AdrianT's Avatar Comment 5 by AdrianT

I fear, until we stop being dependent on Saudi oil, this kind of stuff will go on and on and on.

One other comment in the last para: are muslim moderates or muslim liberals going to attack Saudi Wahhabi influence? A big difference!! Since the governemnt is so impotent, we are crying out for a British version of Irshad Manji to change things.
(http://www.muslim-refusenik.com/aboutirshad.html)

Tue, 25 Sep 2007 01:50:00 UTC | #69898

Jiten's Avatar Comment 6 by Jiten

You'd think the police in a liberal democracy like the UK would have better things to do than try to suppress freedom of speech - but what do I know?

A liberal democracy Russell?It is a complete sham.Wake up and smell the money.Nothing comes in the way of making money.To hell with any consequences.

Tue, 25 Sep 2007 02:24:00 UTC | #69906

tieInterceptor's Avatar Comment 7 by tieInterceptor

I was very upset about the police move on 'dispatches' undercover mosque.

that docu had long uninterrupted speeches , In no way it was edited to sound worst that it was.


by the way,

Have you guys seen the president of Iran, Ahmadinejad pulling an Al-taquiyya move? He is asked about gay executions, and he starts rambling about drug trafficking, then he is asked again, he is cornered "why we execute homosexuals in Iran?"

the he answers.....

wait ... I wont spoil it, watch it yourselves.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xou92apNN4o

... lost for words.

Tue, 25 Sep 2007 02:39:00 UTC | #69908

Yorker's Avatar Comment 8 by Yorker

6. Comment #73465 by Jiten

Correct.

Politicians are simply whores in the service of money-mongers and will do whatever it takes to stay in office. The notion of freedom and democracy in the UK is complete bollocks, but it's slightly better than the the almost identical USA version. The only difference is that God Dollar has competition in the form of God Jesus which stifles the population. In the UK, God Pound is undisputed and that allows us a little more leeway in our dealings with each other.

Having lived in both countries I feel qualified to make that statement.

Tue, 25 Sep 2007 06:06:00 UTC | #69954

Vinelectric's Avatar Comment 9 by Vinelectric

That's politics for you, the survival of the smartest. If it is in the interest of the British economy to do business with the Saudis then all we need is for the smart-ass big mouths to shut up and look at yet a bigger picture than their god-forsaken ideals.

Moreover, according to the reporting Channel 4 political analyst, it is in the interest of the Americans to upgrade the Saudi army lest it be overwhelmed by an Iranian strike.

By the way, the Saudis have always responded in a small way to Western pressure. Bin Laden was "excommunicated" and expelled several years ago, the violent Quranic passages removed from the school curricula and the clerics were instructed to refer to the Hamas bombers as suicidal acts and not as acts of martyrdom like the rest of the muslim world does.

You may not be impressed but that's quite a bit for the Saudis. Be optimistic. If you expect much more very soon then you should just come down to earth for a minute.

Tue, 25 Sep 2007 07:08:00 UTC | #69978

NormanDoering's Avatar Comment 10 by NormanDoering

tieInterceptor asked:

Have you guys seen the president of Iran, Ahmadinejad pulling an Al-taquiyya move? He is asked about gay executions, and he starts rambling about drug trafficking, then he is asked again, he is cornered "why we execute homosexuals in Iran?"

Ahmadinejad is dangerous and religiously delusional, but keep something in mind: There may be radically different cultural concepts and translation problems going on when trying to talk about homosexuality. Ahmadinejad speaks Farsi, not English, and has to be translated. It sounds like "gay" got translated into something that means merely "sexual criminal" with the emphasis on the "criminal."

I don't think Ahmadinejad was able to understand the question due to an Orwellian distortion that's happening to the Farsi language.

I blogged on it:
http://normdoering.blogspot.com/2007/09/no-gays-in-iran.html

Tue, 25 Sep 2007 08:12:00 UTC | #69991

mjwemdee's Avatar Comment 11 by mjwemdee

On the prompting of RD, I wrote a letter to my MP (Anne Milton, Cons., Guildford) asking her to demand an explanation why the CPS should be considering prosecuting the programme-makers at Channel 4 for this daring piece of investigative journalism.
To her credit, my letter was handled efficiently by her office who sent a prompt reply. But I fear the dear woman must be a bit confused. Her answer read:

'...You may be very disappointed to hear that the CPS is not prosecuting the makers of the programme...'

An attachment from the CPS itself, dated 7 September and signed by the DPP, Sir Ken MacDonald QC, states:

'...The prosecutor decided that, on the available evidence, there was insufficient evidence of incitement to racial hatred'.

So I have an MP who cannot understand where I am coming from, and a DPP who clearly doesn't recognise incitement to racial hatred when it is put in front of him. We are all doomed.

Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:20:00 UTC | #70062

Damien White's Avatar Comment 12 by Damien White

The sooner we move to solar power and electric/hydrogen cars, and therefore the sooner money stops flowing into the Middle East, the better off we'll all be.

Tue, 25 Sep 2007 15:43:00 UTC | #70071

Mysturji's Avatar Comment 13 by Mysturji

"More cheeringly, moderate British Muslims are soon to lead an overdue attack on Saudi influence as the result of a long inquiry they have conducted. They are finding the courage to do what the Attorney General, high court, West Midlands police and Crown Prosecution Service won't do and stand up for the best values of their country."
I have been waiting far too long for the overdue attack of which Mr. Cohen speaks. But it is not only the Attorney General, high court, West Midlands police and Crown Prosecution Service who lack courage: Look at the byline and the source of this article.
The Observer should be ashamed!
Bravo, Guardian!

Wed, 26 Sep 2007 03:36:00 UTC | #70186

pewkatchoo's Avatar Comment 14 by pewkatchoo

mjwemdee
I got the same from my MP John Bercow. Yes the Tory who wants to work for Gordon! He completely misunderstood where I was coming from and I got a similar reply to yours.

They are all Fsckwits.

Wed, 26 Sep 2007 03:43:00 UTC | #70187

Yorker's Avatar Comment 15 by Yorker

"They are all Fsckwits."

You're probably right Pewk, but I also wonder if it's just some pratt following a generalised directive who answers the mail.

Wed, 26 Sep 2007 05:26:00 UTC | #70207

Russell Blackford's Avatar Comment 16 by Russell Blackford

Damien White:


The sooner we move to solar power and electric/hydrogen cars, and therefore the sooner money stops flowing into the Middle East, the better off we'll all be.


Agreed. The dynamic would be different if the West were not so dependent on Middle Eastern oil.

Wed, 26 Sep 2007 05:41:00 UTC | #70211

Jez's Avatar Comment 17 by Jez

http://www.sauduction.com/welcome.html

It's just one offence among many...

Wed, 26 Sep 2007 13:01:00 UTC | #70321