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bruce's Avatar Comment 1 by bruce

the archbishop reminds Christians that the birth of Jesus is a symbol of helplessness and hope.

I agree. Jesus is powerless to help you but yet you still hope that he will. What a great marketing device. Convince people to give you their money and their minds and you don't have to provide anything in return except for hope. Wish I would have thought of it.

Sun, 23 Dec 2007 10:38:00 UTC | #97864

Aaron's Avatar Comment 2 by Aaron

"Babies are vulnerable, more helpless initially than any of the animals...So too was the son of God, but every birth inspires hope, even when it is only hope against hope."

Wait a second. Is this dude saying there was a chance little baby Jesus could have died from some natural cause associated with being born in the bronze age? Doesn't that contradict what the bible says about god sending Jesus specifically to die on the cross?

Sun, 23 Dec 2007 10:42:00 UTC | #97867

JemyM's Avatar Comment 3 by JemyM

Jesus say that children that curses their parents should be put to death.
Jesus also say that the world will end soon.
Jesus also said that the sick are infected by demons because they have sinned.
Jesus was also an angry person who condemned alot of people.
Jesus was also a racist who called a sick child and her begging mother as "dogs begging at the masters table" because they were not jews.

Christianity is a sect that seeks world domination. Christians ARE the christian God and they are to blame for spreading the Christian ideology and lying about what's right and what's wrong. Any morally sane person who read the bible can see that Jesus is not a good role model for ethic behavior and good morals.

Sun, 23 Dec 2007 10:44:00 UTC | #97868

ivellios's Avatar Comment 4 by ivellios

Bah, just more propaganda about how they are persecuted and everyone else is really to blame.

Let us not forget that the suffering brought on by Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and the like were introduced by individuals who wanted to be worshiped themselves and not by a sanctioned GROUP of society that proclaims themselves legitimate and doing "God's" will. Do not mention the Inquisition, Witch burnings, The Crusades, many past aggressions and the current world situation that has been directed by "God," by Bush's own admission.

I really tire of the same BS pushed by every corner of Christianity.

Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:18:00 UTC | #97884

mintcheerios's Avatar Comment 5 by mintcheerios

God is not to blame because he doesn't exist.

Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:21:00 UTC | #97887

BT Murtagh's Avatar Comment 6 by BT Murtagh

I'm not sure how he justifies in his mind that Hitler hated Christians, but at least he didn't claim Hitler was an atheist. It's very little in the way of progress, but I suppose it's a crumb.

JemyM, to be fair it was the Canaanite woman who compared herself and her daughter to dogs wanting crumbs from the table. Jesus obviously liked the sentiment, though, since at that point he relented from being only there for the house of Israel. (Matthew 15:21-28 for those following along at home.) Funny, though, I just don't think the Archbishop sees himself and his flock in quite those terms...

Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:34:00 UTC | #97893

Ian's Avatar Comment 7 by Ian

God has been attacked angrily here and there...


No dear archbishop, believers have been criticised. Critique is not a form of attack, but an important part of dialogue you can use to improve yourself.

Try to get it right, you'll never be vituous if you can't be truthful.

Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:36:00 UTC | #97895

the way's Avatar Comment 8 by the way

They're getting very sensitive these Popes, Bish's clergymen etc...seems they're worried the game is up!

Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:44:00 UTC | #97898

Steve Zara's Avatar Comment 9 by Steve Zara

"...God has been attacked angrily here and there in the English-speaking world and believers have been accused of causing most of the wars and crimes in history," Cardinal Pell has said.

"This is an exaggeration as the moral monsters of the twentieth century Lenin, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot were atheists and Hitler bitterly hated Jews and Christians.


The twentieth century is not most of history. The difference between the last century and previous times was the increase in population and the increase in the techological power that could be used by dictators. Imagine the consequences if the Spanish Inquisition had had modern technology.

Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:45:00 UTC | #97899

PrimeNumbers's Avatar Comment 10 by PrimeNumbers

They're on the run, let's keep attacking their nonsense.

Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:48:00 UTC | #97901

Paula Kirby's Avatar Comment 11 by Paula Kirby

This is an exaggeration as the moral monsters of the twentieth century Lenin, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot were atheists and Hitler bitterly hated Jews and Christians.
YAY!!!!!!!!! No bishoply message would be complete without this bit! It would be like the gold and frankincense without the myrrh ...

Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:53:00 UTC | #97903

leodavinci's Avatar Comment 12 by leodavinci

"Babies are vulnerable, more helpless initially than any of the animals"

Does he have any idea as to why this is?
I doubt it, just in case he finds this website, i'll fill him in - Human babies are more vulnerable than other animals because the adult females pelvis has rotated to allow for bipedal locomotion. This means that the birth canal the baby has to fit through is smaller than it would otherwise be, the result of this is that all human babies are born premature, otherwise they would not fit through the birthing canal, hence the reason we are so helpless.
Idiot

Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:54:00 UTC | #97905

Bonzai's Avatar Comment 13 by Bonzai

So there are other Gods to blame?

Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:57:00 UTC | #97907

Diacanu's Avatar Comment 14 by Diacanu

Some people claaaim that there's a woooman to blaaaame, but I know, it's my own damned fault.

Da loot da da doot doot!
Da loot da da doot doot!

Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:59:00 UTC | #97908

the way's Avatar Comment 15 by the way

It just seems to me, that every time there is an article on religion nowadays....it is the 2,000,000,000 christians who are being victimised, not to mention the buddhists, moslems et al, by a noisy insensitive rabble of atheists...and crying foul.

Sun, 23 Dec 2007 12:00:00 UTC | #97909

Diacanu's Avatar Comment 16 by Diacanu

Christianity is addicted to martyrdom.
They need it like the west needs oil.

It's that whole masochism/solipsism combo Hitchens is always having to bring up.

Sun, 23 Dec 2007 12:04:00 UTC | #97912

The Truth, the light's Avatar Comment 18 by The Truth, the light


The archbishop has said God and his believers are not to blame for the world's wars or crimes and Christians should remember the benefits of their devotion.


Hmm, let's count the "benefits"

1. Racked with guilt over sin and the promise of hell.

2. Donating your life savings to the church.

3. Donating your spare time to "helping" the church.

4. Closing the mind to any reasoned argument.

Sun, 23 Dec 2007 12:23:00 UTC | #97920

Double Bass Atheist's Avatar Comment 17 by Double Bass Atheist

It just seems to me, that every time there is an article on religion nowadays....it is the 2,000,000,000 christians who are being victimized…


Yeah, the poor, poor majority. Apparently, their god is not only easily offended but obviously can't take care of himself either. Those poor Christians have to get upset for him! As RD (and many posters) have pointed out many times, religion has gotten use to getting a free ride and has seen itself immune from criticism. As soon as anyone even asks a simple question about the existence of 'god' or the man-made history of their religion, they cry "foul"!

Paul Kirby – Totally off topic…. why did you change your alias from 'Northern Bright'? I always liked that one.

Sun, 23 Dec 2007 12:23:00 UTC | #97919

briancoughlanworldcitizen's Avatar Comment 19 by briancoughlanworldcitizen

"...God has been attacked angrily here and there in the English-speaking world

Assuming HE does exist, who else gets the blame for the six millenia of cock up since creation?

Oh right, I forgot. We do, that whole entrapment thing with the apple .....

It's a fair cop guv.

Sun, 23 Dec 2007 12:27:00 UTC | #97923

FightingFalcon's Avatar Comment 20 by FightingFalcon

How....how long do we have to live with the myth that Hitler was an Atheist?

Certainly no Christian but since when did a European rejecting Christianity automatically make him or her an Atheist? Hitler's obsession with the occult (even sending research teams to Tibet and the Andes to find the origin of the Aryan race) is painfully obvious but we still have to live with this lie that he was an Atheist.

Certainly Stalin was an Atheist but the evidence is still lacking to prove that these men were motivated by their Atheism to kill non-Atheists and to purge the world from Atheism. The same can not be said, however, for Theists.

Sun, 23 Dec 2007 12:51:00 UTC | #97930

Diacanu's Avatar Comment 21 by Diacanu

Maybe they're repeating the lie like a mantra hoping to piss one of us off so bad, we snap, and kill one of them, and then they can play both the martyrdom card, and the "see? I told you so!", card.

Sort of like the "I'm not touching you! I'm not touching you!", gambit.

Sun, 23 Dec 2007 12:55:00 UTC | #97931

JackR's Avatar Comment 22 by JackR

"Christians believe that the almighty God has visited us, not just through prophets, saints and humanitarian heroes, but through sending his son to be born of a virgin in Bethlehem...,"

Oh, right, but we nasty atheists better not make any "sky daddy" jibes because that doesn't reflect the reality of Christian belief, right? Riiiight.

Sun, 23 Dec 2007 13:00:00 UTC | #97932

Diacanu's Avatar Comment 23 by Diacanu

And for some reason, Jesus being born of a virgin is diabolically important.

Sun, 23 Dec 2007 13:04:00 UTC | #97933

Steve Zara's Avatar Comment 24 by Steve Zara

As we celebrate again the birth of the helpless newly-born Christ child


The repeated emphasis on helplessness intriques me. Is there a subtext in this article:

"Nasty atheists hurt baby Jesus"?

Sun, 23 Dec 2007 13:05:00 UTC | #97935

Diacanu's Avatar Comment 25 by Diacanu

...continuing my train of thought from post 22, ever notice how christianitys addiction to martyrdom breeds this insidious form of passive-agression?

Sun, 23 Dec 2007 13:09:00 UTC | #97936

_J_'s Avatar Comment 26 by _J_

Fighting Falcon,

I'm also weary of this 'Hitler/Stalin/Mao/My Evil Dictatorial Uncle Nev was an atheist, so God Exists' nonsense.

I don't know what Hitler believed (I don't really know if Hitler knew what Hitler believed) but even if he was an atheist, it's still a shit argument. Surely the logic of all of eeeevil religion-displacing dictators is clear enough, and actually highlights something quite uncomplimentary about organised religion.

All these bad guys, whatever their personal beliefs, aimed to construct a devout national ideology with themselves as the object of respect and worship. All of them noticed that it was going to be difficult to do this while there were other organisations already in place doing exactly the same thing, in the name of some god or other. So, all of them booted out the churches and stole their tactics in order to establish quasi-religious political ideologies.

The nicest thing that a defensive religious person can get out of this simple observation is 'My religion isn't as bad as an even worse dictator who might displace it'. Perhaps they could argue that the church could have some value in a 'canary down a mine' way, alerting us to think carefully about anyone who vigorously tries to demolish existing religions, to make sure they're not steering us into an 'out of the frying pan...' situation.

But, overall, to recognise that religions operate in ways so similar to dictators that all our big bad dictator boogeymen have regarded them as troublesome competition to be destroyed and emulated, is not to find anything nice about religions. The whole matter demonstrates that religions do not embody the ideals of honesty, fairness and equality that we value in our modern democracies.

Sun, 23 Dec 2007 13:10:00 UTC | #97937

35bluejacket's Avatar Comment 27 by 35bluejacket

Where in bloody hell does he think Hitler got his hatred of the Jews?

Sun, 23 Dec 2007 13:11:00 UTC | #97938

SurfDude's Avatar Comment 28 by SurfDude

I am at a loss to understand how this omnipotent, omniscient being appears to be so ill-equipped to defend itself.

I now understand the truth about "liars for Jesus". These morons are willfully mendacious - a tactic shared with Islam, where lying to the infidel is considered acceptable.

These people sicken me.

Sun, 23 Dec 2007 14:04:00 UTC | #97959

Matt H.'s Avatar Comment 29 by Matt H.

These people sicken me.


Indeed. I don't even listen when they start spouting the usual 'STALIN HITLER MAO ATHEISTS LOL' argument. It's been discredited so many times before, these idiots just don't listen. So why should I bother with them?

They are ignorant, bigoted and close-minded.

Sun, 23 Dec 2007 17:40:00 UTC | #98034

tybowen's Avatar Comment 30 by tybowen

When my son was born he was truly helpless. But I didn't sit around and hope he would be alright. I used my brain and body to provide for him.

Sun, 23 Dec 2007 18:10:00 UTC | #98048