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evolver23's Avatar Comment 1 by evolver23

Amen.

Tue, 05 Feb 2008 09:27:00 UTC | #116442

MPhil's Avatar Comment 2 by MPhil

Eloquent as ever. Sad thing it most likely will not be printed.

Tue, 05 Feb 2008 09:28:00 UTC | #116445

Cartomancer's Avatar Comment 3 by Cartomancer

One hopes that important people with real international clout will listen and take heed. Forgive me for being less than optimistic on this score however.

Tue, 05 Feb 2008 09:30:00 UTC | #116447

ksskidude's Avatar Comment 4 by ksskidude

I think we all should write an op-ed to our newspapers. I wonder if Mr. Dennett would mind if we sent his editrial to our local papers? Josh can you see with Mr. Dennett? Do you have those connections? LOL

Tue, 05 Feb 2008 09:49:00 UTC | #116459

godless1's Avatar Comment 5 by godless1

What is most glaring to me is that it never crosses the mind of these muslim lunatics that an omnipotent and omniscient perfect god could quite easily deal with the offending party himself if he is truly bothered by the egregious offense of speaking ill of that pedophile and mass murderer we all recognize as prophet Muhammed.

God does not need these bargain basement fools running around with a rope looking for someone to hang. I'm very confident such a deity could keep his own backyard in order unassisted.

As for the Danish cartoons: they were universally denounced largely out of fear of violent muslim reprisals. Ignorant lunatics.

Tue, 05 Feb 2008 09:51:00 UTC | #116460

Elles's Avatar Comment 6 by Elles

I definitely agree with Dennett. People should be protesting in the streets over this. Somebody should do SOMETHING... At least sign that petition on the website the other article about this was posted on.

Tue, 05 Feb 2008 09:55:00 UTC | #116463

Agrajag's Avatar Comment 7 by Agrajag

5. Comment #122467 by godless1 on February 5, 2008 at 9:51 am
What is most glaring to me is that it never crosses the mind of these ****** lunatics that an omnipotent and omniscient perfect god could quite easily deal with the offending party himself if he is truly bothered by the egregious offense of speaking ill of ______________ (fill in your favorite).

This applies equally well to christianity and any other religion claiming an "omniscient and omnipotent" deity.
Steve

Tue, 05 Feb 2008 10:15:00 UTC | #116469

gcdavis's Avatar Comment 8 by gcdavis

Many of us live in countries who have sent troops to Afghanistan, men and women who are dying on a weekly basis to rid that country of the Taliban and Al Qaeda, in order for civilised, democratic values to take root, some hope!

Tue, 05 Feb 2008 10:22:00 UTC | #116471

the way's Avatar Comment 9 by the way

The conviction and pending execution of an Afghani student, Sayed Parwiz Kambakhsh, for blasphemy is an appalling circumstance, but it offers an opportunity that we should all seize
....I agree. However the world's media, everyone must remain vigilant as the next victim may not get the exposure as him and subsequently be quietly disposed of in order to sustain this religion of "peace" (for "peace", read fear).

Tue, 05 Feb 2008 10:27:00 UTC | #116473

al-rawandi's Avatar Comment 10 by al-rawandi

gcdavis,


I made this observation some time ago. Sometimes I feel like we should step back and see what happens.

Tue, 05 Feb 2008 10:29:00 UTC | #116474

Stephen's Avatar Comment 11 by Stephen

People...

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/letters/articles/2008/02/02/can_outrage_in_afghanistan_inspire_us/

The Boston Globe already ran the letter...on the website anyway...not sure about print

Tue, 05 Feb 2008 10:31:00 UTC | #116475

Quetzalcoatl's Avatar Comment 12 by Quetzalcoatl

Sadly, I don't anticipate any wide-spread condemnation, particularly by Muslims. There never is.

Tue, 05 Feb 2008 10:54:00 UTC | #116488

Spiral's Avatar Comment 13 by Spiral

Standing ovation to Mr. Dennett!

Tue, 05 Feb 2008 10:54:00 UTC | #116491

GBile's Avatar Comment 14 by GBile

I find that we must do as much as we can to save mr. Kambakhsh from the fate that the Afghan religious court has condemned him to. And we must try to save the next victim, and the next ...

Of course we must also closely observe what is done (or is not done) in Pakistan, Saoudi Arabia, Alegeria, Egypt, the muslim communities in Germany, the UK, the Netherlands and so on.
It could well be that, on basis of action or inaction in those places, we will one day have to judge the muslims of this world.

From experiences in the past, I expect that this judgment will be harsh.

Tue, 05 Feb 2008 11:01:00 UTC | #116494

Styrer-'s Avatar Comment 15 by Styrer-

His approach is politically astute. If it weren't, there is absolutely no way on earth that I would not have vomited copiously at his comment 'The best way of showing our good will towards Islam', nor indeed at the contemptible idea that 'There is no need, yet, for anger'.

Political astuteness aside, I have no good will towards Islam, towards its moderate nor its fundamentalist adherents whatsoever.

And I became angry a good while ago.

Best,
Styrer

Tue, 05 Feb 2008 11:07:00 UTC | #116498

phil rimmer's Avatar Comment 16 by phil rimmer

You can help

Read this-

http://www.newstatesman.com/200802050001

And go here if you can-

"Join a demonstration to demand the freedom of Parwiz Kambakhsh on Friday, February 8, 2008, 12.00 to 2.00 pm at the Afghanistan Embassy, 31 Princes Gate, London, SW7 organised by the Iranian Secular Society and endorsed by the Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain."

Tue, 05 Feb 2008 11:17:00 UTC | #116502

bluehillside's Avatar Comment 17 by bluehillside

Just fyi, the Independent newspaper here in the UK has been running a campaign on this issue. Here's a link:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/save-pervez-global-protests-to-save-afghan-student-from-death-sentence-776783.html

Tue, 05 Feb 2008 11:21:00 UTC | #116503

phil rimmer's Avatar Comment 18 by phil rimmer

Styrer, your distaste helps no-one.

If we respect the sanctity of what any of us may hold in private and judge only what is transacted in public, then we may find we have friends and allies aplenty to fix things.

The fact that I believe a load of bollocks is no matter for you so long they never pass my lips....


Erm... not a good image that last one...sorry.

bluehillside.

Good stuff. Its worth adding that there is an e-petition to sign at the end. 30 seconds of anybody's time well spent.

Tue, 05 Feb 2008 11:33:00 UTC | #116510

Sally Luxmoore's Avatar Comment 19 by Sally Luxmoore

Excellent letter.

Is Amnesty International involved? If so, we could all send letters / postcards via Amnesty to Sayed Parwiz Kambakhsh, which serves the dual purpose of letting him know he is not alone and also makes the Afghan authorities (uncomfortably) aware that the world is watching.

Tue, 05 Feb 2008 11:44:00 UTC | #116512

Mr DArcy's Avatar Comment 20 by Mr DArcy

I bet the Christians are secretly envious of the vicious mental hold that Islam has over its adherents. I mean when the Pope says no to contraception, the more modern Catholics use it anyway, and can buy their way out of sin at confession. The Islamics, however have no problem with mutilating parts of or all of the human body. The Islamics we hear about are still living in the middle ages, just look at their countries of origin. The Islamics we don't hear about are probably too frightened of "offending" Allah to do anything. The modern world will tame Islam in due course as it did with Christianity, probably when the oil runs out in the Middle East.

Tue, 05 Feb 2008 11:51:00 UTC | #116514

jimbob's Avatar Comment 21 by jimbob

Well, I'm delighted that one of the horsemen has stepped forward!

At risk of belaboring comments I have recently made, I humbly suggest that this is a perfect time for all four horsemen to try to make a major news event of this nonsense.

The public have been indoctrinated into believing that religion is the source of morality -- so what better opportunity to disabuse them of that myth than now?

If examples such as executing people for blasphemy, or strapping bombs to mentally handicapped women don't underline the fact that yahweh-dogmas breed evil, I don't know what will.

Richard, Christopher, and Sam --- get together with Dan and call a press conference --- soon!

Tue, 05 Feb 2008 12:05:00 UTC | #116519

Richard M's Avatar Comment 22 by Richard M

Surely Islam is a religion whose God, Allah, can defend himself. Why must you put people to death for 'sins' resulting from natural instincts?
Why this hatred of women who are part of Allah's creation? How do you justify killing other human beings to please or defend God? To do so is to be devoid of conscience.
Humans are subject to lapses an errors in judgment - including ISLAMIC JUDGES AND CLERICS. Your stone-age justice is despicable!

* Immediate release of Zohreh and Azar

* Immediate abolition of stoning and the death penalty

Signed: Richard Michaud. One who can forgive human frailty. One who values the sanctity of human life.

Tue, 05 Feb 2008 12:09:00 UTC | #116523

al-rawandi's Avatar Comment 23 by al-rawandi

Richard M.


The other day two women were sentenced to death in Iran for adultery. The evidence was a video of them mingling with unrelated men while their husbands were away.

Initially they were only sentenced to 99 lashes but later they were re-sentenced to death by stoning. There had been a clerical write prohibiting stoning, but this sentence has been approved by the supreme court of Iran.

There is actually no evidence that these women committed adultery aside from a video of them mingling, and a coerced confession by one of the women.

How sick.

Tue, 05 Feb 2008 12:14:00 UTC | #116526

HughCaldwell's Avatar Comment 25 by HughCaldwell

The Islamic Republic of Afghanistan is our creation. It is our staunch ally. We can easily criticize the horrors we are responsible for. For an Afghan it would take enormous courage to risk death by voicing opposition to the fundamentalism that we are supporting.

Tue, 05 Feb 2008 12:20:00 UTC | #116531

righton's Avatar Comment 24 by righton

Rawandi,

Wow, thats amazing. There are so many things that we dont know are going on. Where did you hear about that?

Tue, 05 Feb 2008 12:20:00 UTC | #116530

jaytee_555's Avatar Comment 26 by jaytee_555

"......everyone must remain vigilant, as the next victim may not get the [same] exposure as him, and subsequently be quietly disposed of in order to sustain this religion of "peace" (for "peace", read fear)."

I understand your sentiment, Verylee. But surely the whole point of executing blasphemers it to instill fear and obedience in the population. To dispose of blasphemers 'quietly' would defeat the object of the exercise, so I feel it is not likely to be done that way. Let's hope not, anyway.

I totally agree that pressure must be brought to bear by decent people of all religions and none, to protest against the regimes who perpetrate this vileness, and to embarass all 'moderates' who turn a blind eye.

Tue, 05 Feb 2008 12:24:00 UTC | #116533

al-rawandi's Avatar Comment 28 by al-rawandi

righton,


I can't remember. I think it was linked on the Drudgereport.

I don't think IRNA had it. It was Jerusalem Post maybe.

Tue, 05 Feb 2008 12:37:00 UTC | #116538

GoneGolfing's Avatar Comment 27 by GoneGolfing

--

I certainly appreciate and respect Dr. Dennett, but I'm having some difficulty accepting and understanding this statement:

The time has come for Muslims to step up to the plate and demonstrate that Islam is a great faith that has no need for violence or intimidation to maintain the loyalty of its congregation.


I'd be interested to hear his thoughts on exactly what it is that makes it such a "great faith" ?

Excellent article otherwise.

GG :-)

Tue, 05 Feb 2008 12:37:00 UTC | #116537

Scott McMeekin's Avatar Comment 29 by Scott McMeekin

Dennett is eloquent and concise as always. Fox could do well to examine his style for a proper definition of "fair and balanced". Honestly, the radical islamists remind me of the witch-hunting mob in Monty Python's "Holy Grail". It would be nothing more than an amusing parody if people didn't actually act like this in real life.

Lamentably however, my incredulity at people's capacity for a complete lack of common sense doesn't benefit the poor bugger for whom a beheading awaits. I firmly believe that if the people in these countries were better educated, and from a variety of books, rather than one particularly old one, then they would be less likely to be so credulous with the so called "scholars" initiating all this fire and brimstone.

Scott.

Tue, 05 Feb 2008 12:40:00 UTC | #116539

home8896's Avatar Comment 30 by home8896

I do hope that someone with clout is hearing things like this. This was a fantastic piece: eloquent, succinct. I wish I could do more than give a "hear, hear" in agreement.

Tue, 05 Feb 2008 12:57:00 UTC | #116549