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Geoff's Avatar Comment 1 by Geoff

Deliverance II : duelling billboards.


According to Nedd, the leaders of FFRF have repeatedly stated that "merely having to hear the Pledge of Allegiance is offensive and should be banned.


No, just take out the words "under god", that were sneaked in in 1954.

Sat, 09 Feb 2008 16:23:00 UTC | #118357

FreeThink25's Avatar Comment 2 by FreeThink25

He said his group is not saying the atheists are anti-American. However, they appear to be, he said. Still, he said, "this is a free country and everyone is free to believe what he or she chooses."


What a brilliantly elegant, well-constructed series of ideas....

It takes some serious mental gymnastics to connect disbelief in god with hatred of America.

This would be comical if it weren't so indicative of real opinions.

Sat, 09 Feb 2008 16:28:00 UTC | #118359

AllanW's Avatar Comment 3 by AllanW

"They are a collection of organized, well funded zealots who are insulted by the mere existence of people who DON'T believe in the Almighty. They are determined to drive ATHEISM underground."

There; fixed that for ya.

Sat, 09 Feb 2008 16:29:00 UTC | #118360

home8896's Avatar Comment 4 by home8896

Although I would really hesitate to say I hate America, there is a certain portion of Americans I am getting really close to hating, and they tend to post assinine billboards like this.

Sat, 09 Feb 2008 16:30:00 UTC | #118364

Edanator's Avatar Comment 5 by Edanator

"He said the leaders of FFRF have a long history of holding hate-filled anti-American views."
It's so sad no one from FFRF were interviewed. Especially, when phrases like this are allowed to be printed uncritically.

I also find it strange that protectors of the American constitution are labeled as anti-American.

Sat, 09 Feb 2008 16:31:00 UTC | #118365

Geoff's Avatar Comment 6 by Geoff

There's a comments section in the original.

http://www.topix.net/forum/source/chambersburg-public-opinion/TS2OFVJK2F69MIKFJ

Edit: you don't have to register to comment, either!

Hint Hint...

Sat, 09 Feb 2008 16:33:00 UTC | #118366

mdowe's Avatar Comment 7 by mdowe

RE: Comment #124509 by babrock

I think you need a new keyboard mate! =)

Sat, 09 Feb 2008 16:51:00 UTC | #118370

Diacanu's Avatar Comment 8 by Diacanu

home8896-


Although I would really hesitate to say I hate America, there is a certain portion of Americans I am getting really close to hating, and they tend to post assinine billboards like this.


I could fit the people I don't hate or have indifference toward on a small fishing schooner.

Sat, 09 Feb 2008 16:55:00 UTC | #118371

home8896's Avatar Comment 9 by home8896



I could fit the people I don't hate or have indifference toward on a small fishing schooner.


Hate takes too much energy for me. I'll stick with contempt and indifference. That leaves a closet full of people I do like.

Sat, 09 Feb 2008 17:01:00 UTC | #118373

Agrajag's Avatar Comment 10 by Agrajag

I liked this comment by "Deeply Concerned" from the link in Geoff's post above:

11 hrs ago

All we Christians need to do is pray...God will take care of all the procrastioners in his own way. Believe me God is alive and well. I'm happy the Church is here for all of us...We don't need to arouse a lot of arguments. God works in mysterious ways....Pray Pray Pray...............

Let me paraphrase Irate Atheist here:
"Fucktard, anyone?"

Then there was this one by "Ditto":
11 hrs ago

I would have to agree 100% with Festus' comment "If you are right, I lose nothing. If I am right, you lose eternity." Well Said!

Congratulations! You have mastered Pascal's Wager (and probably didn't know it)!
Steve

Sat, 09 Feb 2008 17:05:00 UTC | #118374

Diacanu's Avatar Comment 11 by Diacanu

home8896-

Hate takes too much energy for me. I'll stick with contempt and indifference. That leaves a closet full of people I do like.


D'oh, I should've used contempt instead of hate.

Hmm..I dunno, I gotta reserve full blown hate for guys like Dinesh D'Souza, and Michael Behe...they're actively destructive to reason...

Sat, 09 Feb 2008 17:19:00 UTC | #118375

home8896's Avatar Comment 12 by home8896

My full blown hate is restricted for people who are truly destroying human beings, not ideas... but there is anger at those who support and foster those individuals who take their messages to the extreme in literal sense. Living near Ham's 27 million dollar memorial to the destruction of reason means I'm exposed to a lot of ideas from excited tourists that bring out my contempt.

Sat, 09 Feb 2008 17:34:00 UTC | #118378

JemyM's Avatar Comment 13 by JemyM

The first billboard questioned beliefs. The other is incitement against a specific group.

Sat, 09 Feb 2008 17:44:00 UTC | #118380

Diacanu's Avatar Comment 14 by Diacanu

home8896-

My full blown hate is restricted for people who are truly destroying human beings, not ideas...


Good point.

But there is that old line "wherever they burn books, they will eventually start to burn people".

I'd rather that were nipped in the bud wherever possible.

Sat, 09 Feb 2008 17:47:00 UTC | #118381

home8896's Avatar Comment 15 by home8896

Diacanu

Good point.

But there is that old line "wherever they burn books, they will eventually start to burn people".

I'd rather that were nipped in the bud wherever possible.


Well, constructive anger is fine by me. I guess I just have this block on hate, because hate tend to paralyze me a bit, and perhaps makes me think it's useless to fight the tides of ignorance - especially when emotional responses tend to prohibit effective arguments and actions in me. But I'm definitely all for doing something, rather than just rolling eyes and walking away. :D

Sat, 09 Feb 2008 17:52:00 UTC | #118383

quill's Avatar Comment 16 by quill

And of course, after quoting "Dusky" on how the atheists deceived her, and Nedd about how atheists hate America, the reporter didn't even bother to go and find out what the atheists being talked about had to say about it.

If the sign said, "Why do Jews Hate America?" or "Why do Muslims Hate America?" it would be pulled down immediately. We'll see...

Sat, 09 Feb 2008 18:12:00 UTC | #118385

debaser71's Avatar Comment 17 by debaser71

Wow disgusting and pathetic.

Sat, 09 Feb 2008 18:34:00 UTC | #118389

JanChan's Avatar Comment 18 by JanChan

What a great way to tell both sides of the story! That is, completely ignoring what the other side had to say.

I thought before you try to discredit any point of view on the media, it's standard to give the other side at least one interview?

Sat, 09 Feb 2008 18:58:00 UTC | #118392

Pilot22A's Avatar Comment 19 by Pilot22A

I like the part about driving religion underground ...

Sat, 09 Feb 2008 19:02:00 UTC | #118394

pkruger's Avatar Comment 20 by pkruger

Geez, the American public sure hates it when someone makes them think.

Sat, 09 Feb 2008 19:06:00 UTC | #118395

Diacanu's Avatar Comment 21 by Diacanu

pkruger-

Geez, the American public sure hates it when someone makes them think.


"Most people would rather die than think; in fact, they do so".
-Bertrand Russell.

Sat, 09 Feb 2008 19:28:00 UTC | #118398

rod-the-farmer's Avatar Comment 22 by rod-the-farmer

Re the comment from steveroot


11 hrs ago

All we Christians need to do is pray...God will take care of all the procrastioners in his own way. Believe me God is alive and well. I'm happy the Church is here for all of us...We don't need to arouse a lot of arguments. God works in mysterious ways....Pray Pray Pray...............

Procrastioner....wasn't he the guy whose feet hung over the end of the bed ? What does god have to do with that ?
If there were some way to get a rebuttal billboard up, I would contribute. But in the U.S., the religious nutters have way more money than atheists - or at least they are more willing to spend theirs.

Sat, 09 Feb 2008 19:39:00 UTC | #118399

Quine's Avatar Comment 23 by Quine

Perhaps it is time for the Church of the FSM to put up some good old faith based billboards.

Been touched?

Sat, 09 Feb 2008 20:02:00 UTC | #118402

CruciFiction's Avatar Comment 24 by CruciFiction

"If fascism ever comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis

Sat, 09 Feb 2008 21:23:00 UTC | #118419

Mal3's Avatar Comment 25 by Mal3

rod-the-farmer

Not only is raising the money an issue (never mind the original billboard company advertising their beliefs for free), but finding a company willing to put up an anti-religious board would be next to impossible, methinks. At least it would be now, after this debacle.

Sat, 09 Feb 2008 21:24:00 UTC | #118420

Goldy's Avatar Comment 26 by Goldy

Why do athiests hate America? Hmmm, you know, I never fugured the WBC as athiest. Nor Al Qaeda. Guess athiest is just a person that doesn't follow your views sometimes...

Sat, 09 Feb 2008 21:25:00 UTC | #118421

dlitt's Avatar Comment 27 by dlitt

What offends me is the cowardly disclaimer by the billboard company posted after the FFRF message.

Maybe they need a few complaints from atheists. There is an email link from their website.

http://kegerreis.com/

Sat, 09 Feb 2008 22:48:00 UTC | #118462

Gustaf Sjoblom's Avatar Comment 28 by Gustaf Sjoblom

This is about as intelligent a question as asking why homosexuals hate America, i.e not very.

Sat, 09 Feb 2008 22:54:00 UTC | #118465

dlitt's Avatar Comment 29 by dlitt

Comment #124551 by rod-the-farmer on February 9, 2008 at 7:39 pm
[edit]If there were some way to get a rebuttal billboard up, I would contribute. But in the U.S., the religious nutters have way more money than atheists - or at least they are more willing to spend theirs.

Good luck. The "religious nutters" have instilled a 'Taliban' like fear on one billboard company. I'm sure other advertisers will be reluctant to offer space for atheistic messages.

Sat, 09 Feb 2008 22:57:00 UTC | #118468

Latexxx's Avatar Comment 30 by Latexxx

This could surely back fire. I think that most people, even if they didn't trust atheists, wouldn't think atheists hate America. And this could make the fundies appear as zealots.

Sun, 10 Feb 2008 02:45:00 UTC | #118505