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steve8282's Avatar Comment 1 by steve8282

Don't we stand to end up looking like Fleas through all of this?

Fri, 21 Mar 2008 18:38:00 UTC | #140468

Dr Benway's Avatar Comment 2 by Dr Benway

Don't we stand to end up looking like Fleas through all of this?
Never really worried much about how I look. But thanks for caring, Mr. Concern Troll.

I added a bit on "breaking the irony meter" to the Wikipedia entry on irony:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony

Fri, 21 Mar 2008 18:45:00 UTC | #140469

LordSummerisle's Avatar Comment 3 by LordSummerisle

I'm afraid this is all mostly just free publicity for the film, but at least the NYT correctly refers to Expelled as a Creationist film, instead of going for some softerm more fundie-friendly term.

Fri, 21 Mar 2008 18:59:00 UTC | #140472

Luminaree's Avatar Comment 4 by Luminaree

Seems to me the "fleas" would be the ones using the names of great scientists to make their film seem legitimate.

Fri, 21 Mar 2008 19:00:00 UTC | #140473

Arturo's Avatar Comment 5 by Arturo

It's big enough to be on the NYT someone digg this article :)

Fri, 21 Mar 2008 19:04:00 UTC | #140475

Duffman6's Avatar Comment 7 by Duffman6

4 articles on the same subject- 3 being on the same day, and one on the day just before; 1 article from The New York Times?


"Explosive" might be an overstatement. But I would say it's somewhere in the ballpark.

Fri, 21 Mar 2008 19:14:00 UTC | #140480

Tea Q's Avatar Comment 8 by Tea Q

Good job, Dr Benway :)

Fri, 21 Mar 2008 19:28:00 UTC | #140482

Double Bass Atheist's Avatar Comment 9 by Double Bass Atheist

Comment #148011 by Duffman6

4 articles on the same subject- 3 being on the same day, and one on the day just before; 1 article from The New York Times?


"Explosive" might be an overstatement. But I would say it's somewhere in the ballpark


Anyone else feel that we might be getting a little carried away this? After all, these articles are about the same the thing...

Fri, 21 Mar 2008 19:35:00 UTC | #140484

Hawker's Avatar Comment 10 by Hawker

I think the most frustrating element about this event is the reason certain types were invited.

"But Walt Ruloff, a partner in Premise Media, the film's producer, said the screening was one of a series the producers have organized for the film, which opens April 18, in hopes of building favorable word-of-mouth among people likely to be sympathetic to its message. People like Dr. Myers and Dr. Dawkins would not have been invited, he said."

Why is there never a position of searching for TRUTH in the creationist message? The creationist position was intellectually killed about two hundred years ago, it is amazing it is still festering and in the U.S. being taken seriously. When is the sympathetic movement for those who believe the world flat going to raise it's ugly head?

Fri, 21 Mar 2008 19:36:00 UTC | #140485

the_ultimate_samurai's Avatar Comment 11 by the_ultimate_samurai


I'm afraid this is all mostly just free publicity for the film, but at least the NYT correctly refers to Expelled as a Creationist film, instead of going for some softerm more fundie-friendly term.


well according to kitzmiller vs dover you can legaly call intelegent design creationism as much as you want, wherever you want, and they cant do anything about it. (previously they may have had a case for slander, but the dover case ruled officialy intelegent design = creationism. which makes one of his points moot anyways (that ID isnt creationism, few years too late on that one))

this movie is a relic, ID has sunk, it doesnt have a chance to win any court cases, it doesnt have a chance to make it into schools (unless that one last sane judge on the supreme court thats protecting us from a fundie majority retires...and bush assigns a new one) the old ID people have jumped ship, like they did when creationism sunk, now its critical analysis of evolution (how is that for your irony metre, the people most lacking any critical analysis of their dogma asking critical analysis of evolution, though the irony is just as thick with INTELEGENT design)

Fri, 21 Mar 2008 19:37:00 UTC | #140486

Atheist_from_Hell's Avatar Comment 12 by Atheist_from_Hell

I find it rather surprising that Richard Dawkins got in to see the movie when P.Z. Myers did not, considering that Richard Dawkins is a lot more famous than P.Z. Myers (although P.Z. Myers is a local in that area).

Well, Professor Dawkins, if you managed to crash the screening, good going.

Fri, 21 Mar 2008 19:50:00 UTC | #140487

Dr Benway's Avatar Comment 13 by Dr Benway

I find it rather surprising that Richard Dawkins got in to see the movie when P.Z. Myers did not, considering that Richard Dawkins is a lot more famous than P.Z. Myers
Seems their telgent plan to keep critics out of moovie bout mean scientists suppressin criticism not so telgent.

O noes! Mai irony meter jes sploded again!

Fri, 21 Mar 2008 19:55:00 UTC | #140488

notsobad's Avatar Comment 14 by notsobad

The story was already on digg's front page:
http://digg.com/general_sciences/Expelled_from_Expelled

Fri, 21 Mar 2008 20:03:00 UTC | #140489

robotaholic's Avatar Comment 15 by robotaholic

They srsly wasted ther time by going if you asks me- but I gess expelled at expelled wouldn't have happened in dat case

Fri, 21 Mar 2008 20:33:00 UTC | #140491

FightingFalcon's Avatar Comment 16 by FightingFalcon

Dr. Dawkins, who like everyone was asked to present identification, said he offered his British passport, which lists him as Clinton Richard Dawkins.

O how I wish Mr. Dawkins would go the way of Mr. Hitchens and become an American citizen :-)

Fri, 21 Mar 2008 20:54:00 UTC | #140495

JackR's Avatar Comment 17 by JackR

Don't we stand to end up looking like Fleas through all of this?


I have NO idea what this commenter is talking about. The IDiots made a huge, huge gaff and we're ripping them a new one because of it. We're celebrating. We're rubbing their stupid noses in their mistake. How, in the most twisted viewpoint conceivable, is that comparable with what the "fleas" are doing? Why don't you stop being so damned negative and relish what is undoubtedly a big win for the good guys? Jesus.

Fri, 21 Mar 2008 21:26:00 UTC | #140504

Affront's Avatar Comment 18 by Affront

I wonder if my fellow countryman, Professor Dawkins, (who I sincerely hope remains a British citizen, Mr Falcon) was at all miffed about not being recognised while Myers was! The organisers say that they did recognise Dawkins and decided to let him in, to which the only response must be 'Duh?!'.

I realise that you fellows are keen on free speech, as are we here in the Mother Country. But surely it's time that you amended your famous constitution to limit the freedom of dishonest people, like those behind this film, to twist scientific facts and corrupt young and impressionable minds. There is something truly evil about these creationists, isn't there?

Fri, 21 Mar 2008 21:40:00 UTC | #140507

Gymnopedie's Avatar Comment 19 by Gymnopedie

I'm greatly entertained by the flush of news stories about this event. The Creationists need to be exposed over and over for the disgusting and malicious liars they are. Look at each story posted here, they are popping up in different places visited by different people. All this site is doing is posting them for us to view and laugh at. What in the world is bad about that? I hope this story keeps circulating in different publications.

Dr Benway - Classic Wikipedia entry. I lol'ed.

Fri, 21 Mar 2008 21:43:00 UTC | #140508

Dr Benway's Avatar Comment 20 by Dr Benway

But surely it's time that you amended your famous constitution to limit the freedom of dishonest people, like those behind this film, to twist scientific facts and corrupt young and impressionable minds.
The cure for bad speech is more speech.

Fri, 21 Mar 2008 21:45:00 UTC | #140510

Roy_H's Avatar Comment 21 by Roy_H

Maybe the the guy at the door looked at Richard's Passport, read the name and said "Well you go right in there Mr. Clinton!"

Fri, 21 Mar 2008 23:38:00 UTC | #140529

Thomas Byrne's Avatar Comment 22 by Thomas Byrne

The first 2 reviews of this movie are on IMDB. I'm not gonna add one without seeing it but at the moment the reviews are favourable. Hopefully the rebuttal will be swift to follow.

Sat, 22 Mar 2008 00:37:00 UTC | #140534

Thomas Byrne's Avatar Comment 23 by Thomas Byrne

This article gives a very different view of the situation.
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2008/03/richard_dawkins_worlds_most_fa.html
Shit is heating up, this film WILL be big whether you like it or not. I predict protests, court-cases and even riots. Be realistic, the Bible-belt loves starting shit and evolutionists (most of which are religious, why weren't they in the film?) will have to retaliate.
I'm just glad it will be ignored mainly here in Ireland and I presume the rest of Europe too (hopefully).

Sat, 22 Mar 2008 00:51:00 UTC | #140536

Logicel's Avatar Comment 24 by Logicel

As I suspected when I first read Dr Benway's wikipedia entry regarding breaking the irony meter, the entry was eventually deleted. Reason given that it belongs here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expelled:_No_Intelligence_Allowed

Check under the subtopic: Screenings.

Sat, 22 Mar 2008 00:57:00 UTC | #140538

mikejswalker's Avatar Comment 25 by mikejswalker

'listen boys we got r-selves a chance here. We gotta get dis publicity see? we needs it see? We gotta be de tark a de town see?
How bout when dees two shmucks Dyers and Mawkins turn up we give em de hi-hat uh? yeah we slap one o' dare scrawny ate-eeistic asses outta here.
waddya say you creeps? are ya WID me?"
'YEAH!!'
'ARE YA WID ME FOR JESUS BOYS? SAY YEAH!!'
'YEAH!!'
'well alright den, dat dares a big amen'.

Regards.

Sat, 22 Mar 2008 02:09:00 UTC | #140551

Buddha's Avatar Comment 26 by Buddha

Dr. Dawkins, who like everyone was asked to present identification, said he offered his British passport, which lists him as Clinton Richard Dawkins.



Clinton!?!?

Clint sounds much better. Suggests an enigmatic cigar chewing outlaw - diddley-doo-wah-wah-wah...

Sat, 22 Mar 2008 04:04:00 UTC | #140566

NormanDoering's Avatar Comment 27 by NormanDoering

steve8282 asked:

Don't we stand to end up looking like Fleas through all of this?


Only if the movie is a hit. Remember, Dawkins' fleas were trying to cash in on a share of his sales. Odds are that will not happen.

http://normdoering.blogspot.com/2008/03/and-never-ending-freak-show-just-goes.html

Sat, 22 Mar 2008 04:58:00 UTC | #140572

Richard Morgan's Avatar Comment 28 by Richard Morgan

Gymnopedie

The Creationists need to be exposed over and over...
Yes... "over and over".
Because today's scandal in the media is forgotten tomorrow. And we mustn't forget that.

Sat, 22 Mar 2008 05:29:00 UTC | #140577

phasmagigas's Avatar Comment 29 by phasmagigas

Dr. Dawkins, who like everyone was asked to present identification, said he offered his British passport, which lists him as Clinton Richard Dawkins.


OMG, so dickie is really a clinton!! so hes hidden his first name from us, thats deception, so therefore god must exist right??

some fundie somewheres going to say that so i best them to it.

Sat, 22 Mar 2008 06:02:00 UTC | #140583

phasmagigas's Avatar Comment 30 by phasmagigas

US documentaries are arguably weak in comparison to their UK counterparts so this one is going to be awful as it style AND content will likely be flawed. (i say likely as ive not seen it, im sure our library will get it in like they also have the priveleged planet, not seen that either)

Sat, 22 Mar 2008 06:07:00 UTC | #140584