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Chris Jackson's Avatar Comment 1 by Chris Jackson

Words alone cannot describe my anger at this.

Absolutely, wholly, completely, unimaginably fucking evil would be a start.

It is all too easy to look at stories like this and think "That only happens in Bat-shit crazy theocracies", but I recall several cases recently of "honour killings" in the UK.

It's a fucking disgrace.

Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:25:00 UTC | #162832

Johnny O's Avatar Comment 2 by Johnny O

The MoD had no official advice for troops on how to behave with Iraqi women. The serviceman involved would not have been told that any relationship with her could put her life at risk, the paper said.

When I went to Iraq, during the first Gulf War, we were told about not getting 'involved' with local women as it would cause great offence to the local men and might cause tensions between the coalition troops. That however was in reference to a romantic involvement, this seems to be a totally inoccent working relationsip.

I will do some investigating with mates I have out there at the moment to see if they are aware of this incident.

Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:29:00 UTC | #162840

MrPickwick's Avatar Comment 3 by MrPickwick

Rand Abdel-Qader was stamped upon, suffocated and stabbed by her father, then given an unceremonious burial to emphasise her disgrace. Police released her father without charge two hours after his arrest. "Not much can be done when we have an honour killing case," said Sergeant Ali Jabbar of Basra police. "You are in a Muslim society and women should live under religious laws.


Operation Iraqi Freedom (Iraq's war codename) is really working! Rejoice, rejoice gracefully!

Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:33:00 UTC | #162848

headcold's Avatar Comment 4 by headcold

We should pull out the troops and turn that fucking country into a sea of glass.

Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:35:00 UTC | #162851

koldito's Avatar Comment 5 by koldito

Thousands upon thousands of people have been killed in the Iraq war, and this fucker somehow managed to survive. The world is definitely an unfair place.

Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:36:00 UTC | #162855

Heretic's Avatar Comment 6 by Heretic

Sleep of Reason said:

it is an accepted part of their culture


Exactly! And this is why I don't want their fucking culture anywhere near my country. Yet, one gets called a 'racist' for saying any against 'multicultralism'. This whole situation makes me so angry.
(sorry if i've gone a little off topic)

Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:46:00 UTC | #162871

cam9976's Avatar Comment 7 by cam9976

But wait, Islam is a religion of peace!

Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:47:00 UTC | #162872

Jesus Jones's Avatar Comment 8 by Jesus Jones

She then left her husband and has since divorced him. She has received threats from her husband's family and is in hiding. She now works for an organisation campaigning against honour killings.


It is a shame that the mother only realised the depravity of her religion when the males in her family were demonstrating its true nature to her daughter.

Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:59:00 UTC | #162891

akado's Avatar Comment 9 by akado

DAMN! >=
just the title alone pisses me off!

Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:00:00 UTC | #162894

al-rawandi's Avatar Comment 10 by al-rawandi

headcold,




Turn the country into a field of glass. So instead of the occasional honor killing, everyone will be dead.


Not much better.

Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:12:00 UTC | #162905

Lagoliath's Avatar Comment 11 by Lagoliath

"Thousands upon thousands of people have been killed in the Iraq war, and this fucker somehow managed to survive. The world is definitely an unfair place. "

Can't really help it when a large percentage of the population behave like this man.It's really amazing how people can look at things from a different perspective , one sees honor and is happy that such a bad seed was killed , the other sees murder and is disgusted.

Ethics is a very interesting topic.And it's ethics that'll truly kill the Middle East. It'll be slow , the ethics in such societies haven't changed for hundred of years.And from the look of it , they never will.

Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:14:00 UTC | #162907

Wosret's Avatar Comment 12 by Wosret

This is beyond disgusting. This needs to be stopped...it just needs to be stopped. Women are merely property and sex slaves to islam, who can be beaten, raped, and murdered legally. To say they are second class citizens would be a lie, they aren't citizens at all. They aren't considered people.

These are the people we let become members of a group dedicated to human rights, people that don't consider half the human species to qualify. What's going on? How can any of this be? Asking why this is done, and who would do it is one thing, you say that kind of thing because you expect it is rare...but to think of whole cultures where it is perfectly fine to do...it is not something I can even begin to make sense of...

It makes me wonder if there is something fundamentally wrong with people, that people can do those sorts of things, while the rest of us sit by...and do nothing.

Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:16:00 UTC | #162910

phil rimmer's Avatar Comment 13 by phil rimmer

I am more and more convinced that a solution to a greater part of the world's ills lies in the hands of women. If all food aid, military budgets, debt relief etc. were redirected to the single end of seeing women given access to education where it has been denied, then change would happen very quickly indeed.

Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:17:00 UTC | #162911

Bonzai's Avatar Comment 14 by Bonzai

I don't know if this is a typical honour killing case though, Iraq is under occupation.Depending on religion and tribes, the British might be seen as the enemy. Imagine a French woman who had an affair with a German soldier during WWII.

Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:17:00 UTC | #162912

phil rimmer's Avatar Comment 16 by phil rimmer

Bonzai

the pair, whose relationship was innocent, only ever met while working at the aid station.


Get a grip man!

Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:20:00 UTC | #162916

EeekiE's Avatar Comment 15 by EeekiE

Artificial selection of submissive religious women in action.

I guess women, in what ever form, even daugthers, are nothing more than property in a Muslim society.

Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:20:00 UTC | #162915

mordacious1's Avatar Comment 17 by mordacious1

Bastards. Sometimes I wish there was a hell, just for religious morons.

Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:22:00 UTC | #162921

Bonzai's Avatar Comment 18 by Bonzai

Phil Rimmer,

Sorry, didn't read the whole thing.

Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:23:00 UTC | #162922

al-rawandi's Avatar Comment 19 by al-rawandi

Mitchell,




Your entire post is a generalized, racist rant... "These people". Most Muslims in the world treat their wives just fine. And many women enjoy good lives.

There were 47 honor killings in a city with a population of 1.7 million. Take a comparable US city and how many women are murdered by their husbands. Quite a few.

No one will debate the language of the verses on women, that is manifest, but to wield such a broad brush in your angry rant is no use either.

What do you propose we do, since "sitting by" digusts you?

Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:26:00 UTC | #162930

Wosret's Avatar Comment 20 by Wosret

Well there wasn't even an affair, but that would still hardly be worthy of stomping her to death by her family.

Can you even think of a scenerio where someone's family would partake in stomping them to death in an enlightened secular country? IT didn't mention how many brothers, but presumably at least 2, that is 3 family members stomping another one to death.

Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:28:00 UTC | #162936

Kyrie Eleison's Avatar Comment 21 by Kyrie Eleison

Nature abhors a vaccum. If atheists get their wish of wiping out Christianity, Islam will replace it, not atheism. It matters not to Islam how smart atheists are; it is all about what Allah thinks.

"The great body of the party are commonly intoxicated with the imaginary beauty of this ideal system, of which they have no experience, but which has been represented to them in all the most dazzling colours in which the eloquence of their leaders could paint it." Smith, Adam. The Theory of Moral Sentiments (Oxford, 1976 ed.), 232.

Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:29:00 UTC | #162940

al-rawandi's Avatar Comment 22 by al-rawandi

CHILDREN! ANIMALS! SUB HUMANS! HUMAN FILTH!





Why don't you take your racism elsewhere.


No one really wants to read your illogical generalizations here. You are disgusting.

Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:31:00 UTC | #162942

Geoff's Avatar Comment 23 by Geoff

Ah, the absolute morality of religion; where would we be without it?

I'd say more, but really, only someone like Diacanu could properly do it justice.

Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:32:00 UTC | #162946

Cairnarvon's Avatar Comment 25 by Cairnarvon

headcold:
We should pull out the troops and turn that fucking country into a sea of glass.

What, kill the innocents ourselves before anyone else can? What the fuck is wrong with you? If anything, you're even more disgusting than this father is.

al-rawandi:
Most Muslims in the world treat their wives just fine.

Bullshit.
Most Muslims aren't as insane as this guy, and most Muslim women go their whole life without being murdered by their husbands, that's true, but there can be no doubt that on the whole, Muslim women have far fewer rights and freedoms than Western women, even if they're living in Western societies.

Denying a very real problem exists just because someone else exaggerates isn't going to earn you tolerance points. It's only going to perpetuate it.

Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:34:00 UTC | #162948

beelzebub's Avatar Comment 24 by beelzebub

As with al-rawandi, I find this whole commentary has decended into race-hate. This issue runs across race and religion, it is a cultural issue - ignorant, brutal and nasty, yes, but not the realm of any one religion or people. From an article on the BBC's web-site:

"Honour killing, Mr Gidoomal continues, is not a religious issue.
None of the world's major religions condone honour-related crimes. But those who are guilty have sometimes tried to justify their actions on religious grounds.
"Honour crime happens across the board in the Asian community," insists Mr Gidoomal. "People try to blame Muslim, Hindus or Sikhs but it tends to happen in families where there are the strongest ties and expectations. It's a very strong cultural issue.""

Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:34:00 UTC | #162947

neptunescovenent's Avatar Comment 27 by neptunescovenent

Lol...Islam is stupid, in essence its our fault for stifling them during the european colonisation.

Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:37:00 UTC | #162953

al-rawandi's Avatar Comment 26 by al-rawandi

bunny,




You didn't mention anyone in particular. You only ever mentioned Iraq in a general sense. Thus your racist outburst must be read in the same sense.

Although you may be an angy feminist, you also happen to be spewing racist nonsense. So don't try to back track now. Go post on some other site, you are only providing fodder for the theists that seek to paint atheists as Nazis and racists.

Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:37:00 UTC | #162951

Wosret's Avatar Comment 28 by Wosret

(*Sigh*) I almost don't want to dignify your idiocy with a reponse, but I will give you one, and only one, then you can call me whatever you like Al.

These people as in the ones that support soceities that allow things like that to happen.

"most muslims" so the generalisations are fine when you're doing it eh?

Please do compare these cities, and then tell me how many confessed murderers of their daughters they let go every year.

Well if you weren't such an idiot, you would have realised, that in context I was saying that there is something wrong with us all us for letting it happen. I think that everyone should not allow such things to happen, of course including arabs. Unlike you, I was not excluding them when I said "us".

Should being the important word, I was stressing how I feel there is something wrong with us, as a species that we would allow this to occure.

This will be my last response to you again. I'm not going to explain the obvious every time you take something to mean something it clearly did not.

Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:38:00 UTC | #162954

Elles's Avatar Comment 29 by Elles

"You are in a Muslim society and women should live under religious laws."

I'm too angered at this Sergeant Ali Jabbar guy to make an intellectual retort.

Somehow, I don't know how, I'm going to run up to him and shout "piss off!" in his face, then throw dung hysterically.

Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:39:00 UTC | #162956

al-rawandi's Avatar Comment 30 by al-rawandi

Cairnarvorn,




Well then you can drop the superiority act. Women get shit in every culture, America and UK included. True they live better, without a doubt, but what is true is that women are subjected to abuse in the west. It is simply justified on different grounds.

I don't know a Muslim who hits his wife. Not one. That includes many Saudis, Kuwaitis, Emirates, and others... In their home countries.

Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:40:00 UTC | #162957