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theantitheist's Avatar Comment 1 by theantitheist

Did he also make them in his image?

I can believe Jesus was a white man from Oxford but does god look like Yoda?

Ah Adam and Eve you are, tree of knowledge forbidden is it!

On a serious note it fucking annoys me that there now trying to move into areas that logic and rationalism own and that they have previously ridiculed. And they will also try to claim the credit if we ever find them. (Yes i believe that statistically there has to be life outside of earth but no real hope of finding them in the next 10,000 years.)

Tue, 13 May 2008 14:02:00 UTC | #170559

Vaal's Avatar Comment 2 by Vaal

Ah, moving the goal posts again. But then, as Darth Ratzinger is from Palpatine, it is hardly surprising that they believe in Aliens :-)

Tue, 13 May 2008 14:05:00 UTC | #170560

Quine's Avatar Comment 3 by Quine

So, are space aliens subject to Original Sin? If so, they are going to be pretty pissed to hear about it, given that they don't even descend from the A&E on this planet that caused the Big Fall.

Tue, 13 May 2008 14:11:00 UTC | #170563

HourglassMemory's Avatar Comment 4 by HourglassMemory

It would be rather interesting having aliens invade earth and one of the first things they did was disprove god and actually give an explanation that everyone could grasp and say "oh yeah...that's actually better than a god explanation...how silly of us."
Of course if we, the human species, by definition, think that god's creatures have fallen because of human sin, they have a lot of reasons to hate us: first, because we say they're full of sin as soon as they arrive. And second they'd want to kill the species that gave them the sin.
That damn Eve!

Even with extraterrestrial interactions, religion ruins it all for us.

Tue, 13 May 2008 14:18:00 UTC | #170567

Alkal's Avatar Comment 5 by Alkal

How many more weeks till they say "Evolution is ok"?????
It happened
:D

Tue, 13 May 2008 14:28:00 UTC | #170572

theantitheist's Avatar Comment 6 by theantitheist

Darth Ratzinger vs Yodagod

Interesting match up. We all know who wins this one in the short term. But long term yoda will always be there spying in and hugging Jesus Waterwalker. I'm going home now and putting Star Wars on, i've gone all nostalgic.

Tue, 13 May 2008 14:28:00 UTC | #170574

Vaal's Avatar Comment 7 by Vaal

New film by Ben Stein.. Aliens Expelled!!

Darwinism is to be blamed for the invasion of the Earth by the Godless Zeeerookks, who claim that God was made in THEIR image!! That desert God gets about...

Tue, 13 May 2008 14:37:00 UTC | #170579

Barry Pearson's Avatar Comment 8 by Barry Pearson

When thinking about aliens, it would be more interesting for the Vatican to ponder Jesus rather than God.

After all, even aliens might believe in a deist god. But concepts like "virgin birth", "crucifixion", "resurection", "loaves & fishes", might be completely meaningless (even alien!) to those aliens with their different biology.

Tue, 13 May 2008 14:41:00 UTC | #170580

mjwemdee's Avatar Comment 9 by mjwemdee

Funes urged the church and the scientific community to leave behind divisions caused by Galileo's persecution 400 years ago, saying the incident has "caused wounds."


Yes, let's forget all about it, shall we, forget that the RC Church in all its majesty and omnipotence hounded the most brilliant scholar of his age, suppressed his books, forced him to recant his teaching and (because they didn't dare to kill him outright) placed him under house arrest for the rest of his days. 'The incident' !!!! They clearly think they did something slightly naughty, like serving tea without a doily. And how long did it take John-Paul to make a half-hearted apology? More than 350 fucking years!!!

Tue, 13 May 2008 14:42:00 UTC | #170581

Apathy personified's Avatar Comment 10 by Apathy personified

How does the Vatican know that the aliens aren't already among us?

antithiest and quine make very good points, are the aliens made in gods own image and are they implicated in the scandal that was 'forbiddenfruitgate'

Tue, 13 May 2008 14:49:00 UTC | #170584

theantitheist's Avatar Comment 11 by theantitheist

Ahh i think i've got it. god is all powerful and is of course all shapes and sizes and no shape or size. Sooooo by saying we are made in his image because of the 'he is everything ruling' we are technically made in his/her/it's image as is everything else including the Klingons (original and next generation) and SuperTed.

Fuking obvious really i feel a bit daft for not putting it together earlier.

Tue, 13 May 2008 15:08:00 UTC | #170589

Demotruk's Avatar Comment 12 by Demotruk

The Catholic church is evolving. They know they're not going to win youths over in an increasingly secular Europe with ideas that glaringly contradict science, so they're changing God into this vague, undisprovable thing that has less and less association with the Bible. The bible stories are increasingly non-literal, and they don't promote reading the bible for yourself in the way protestant churches might. They retain the silly things they stand for like the sanctity of human life(even when it's just one cell), but overall, this is just a step towards a vague 'modern' idea of God that allows them to retain credibility in a society that can easily reject the religions that don't move with the times.

It'll be it's own downfall in the end though. Being vague means that it won't impose it's own view, allowing people to learn science, reason and critical thinking for themselves, which are what kill even the deist God.

(I mention Europe specifically because that's where the real battle is. Converting africans doesn't require strong memes, it requires priests bringing aid along with sermons).

Tue, 13 May 2008 15:20:00 UTC | #170594

Ty_Webb's Avatar Comment 13 by Ty_Webb

Well, I'm thinking it's a crying shame that God didn't bother to mention this when he was penning the old bible. I may have found that reasonably convincing (at least believable that the bible wasn't written by a few stone age peasants 2,000 years ago) if there were a couple of paragraphs in there along the lines of "oh yes, and I stuck some life on a couple of other planets too. These are the coordinates... Not that these will mean anything to you for a couple of thousand years, but heyho"

Or maybe he did and the Nicene wotsit decided against its inclusion because it was obviously heretical. Shows what they knew.

On a slightly more serious note, I think the vatican is concerned that we may find evidence of extraterrestrial life and that this will be another nail in the coffin for religion. Hence, they go out of their way to prepare a defence. It's pathetic IMHO.

Tue, 13 May 2008 15:22:00 UTC | #170595

liberalartist's Avatar Comment 14 by liberalartist

religion has to get fuzzier and fuzzier to accommodate all the scientific discoveries. This is a case a priest who doesn't really follow all the old vatican rules and just wants a "feel-good faith", one that appeals to everyone and everything, even aliens!

Alkal - they already say evolution is okay, well so long as it means god created evolution. See, with every new scientific discovery, they must apply "god" in order to keep a step ahead, and their delusions intact.

Tue, 13 May 2008 15:31:00 UTC | #170600

Diacanu's Avatar Comment 15 by Diacanu

Vatican: It's all right to cry

It's aaall right to cryyyy!!
Cryyyying gets the sad out of you!
It's aaaall right to cryyyy!
It might make you feel better!

Raindrops from your eyyyyyes!
Waaashing all the mad out of you!
Raindrops from your eyyyyes!
It's gonna make you feel better!

(I dunno why that popped into my head. My brain is just a big mixed up Youtube jukebox from hell, really)

Tue, 13 May 2008 15:50:00 UTC | #170604

Wosret's Avatar Comment 16 by Wosret

(*Sigh*) since theists only believe what they would like to be true, naturally nothing is incompatible with what they would like to be true, because they wouldn't like that.

Tue, 13 May 2008 15:57:00 UTC | #170605

rivetheretic's Avatar Comment 17 by rivetheretic

You can't assume that the Catholics are always going to agree with Protestant fundamentalist and Biblical literalists. Theists come in many flavors.

Catholics are not part of the "every word of the Bible is the literal truth" crowd. I don't think they ever were. Their line is, and has been for a long while, that the Church is the only legitimate interpreter of religious truth, including the Bible.

So, this sort of announcement is to be expected. They always need to update what a Catholic is allowed to believe and what they are required to believe.

Catholics, at least not the leadership, are not part of the young earth, ID, creationist kookiness. It isn't part of the party line at any rate (though they don't discourage it either). Catholics are permitted to believe in evolution. They are permitted to believe in a 15 billion year old universe. No problem. They are, however last I checked, required to believe that at some point during evolution, God added an immortal soul to humans.

That's what I find interesting about this announcement. I don't see a ruling on whether Catholics can believe in alien intelligence. I see alien life, but not intelligence. Also, I don't see anything on whether such aliens would have an immortal soul. That's where it get's interesting. The reason that I say that there are different rules regarding expected behavior to those with and without souls. Is it murder when you kill them? Do you have to keep your promises to them? All kinds of things.

Of course, they'll probably never have to answer those questions. But if they do, you can expect a similar announcement then.

Tue, 13 May 2008 16:47:00 UTC | #170612

Diacanu's Avatar Comment 18 by Diacanu

rivetheretic-


Catholics, at least not the leadership, are not part of the young earth, ID, creationist kookiness.


No, just part of the "sex out of wedlock and/or with birth control is evil unless it's banging boys", kookiness.

Tue, 13 May 2008 16:54:00 UTC | #170615

HappyPrimate's Avatar Comment 19 by HappyPrimate

Please check out the article in the BBC news website. It says that it is possible that the aliens, should they exist, may be without original sin. How ridiculous can they get? I guess the vatican will be sending space ships of missionaries soon so these poor creatures (who obviously will look like humans) can hear the message and in the meantime, rip off all their resources, especially gold if they have any.

Tue, 13 May 2008 16:55:00 UTC | #170616

Ed-words's Avatar Comment 20 by Ed-words

Maybe the earth's religiholics are

extra-terrestrial missionaries,"hell-bent"

on colonizing other planets for their gods.


(Sweet dreams)

Tue, 13 May 2008 16:56:00 UTC | #170618

riki's Avatar Comment 21 by riki

This brings up so many questions

Did Jesus also die to save alien souls?

Did he die just once on earth or did he do a tour of the cosmos?

Do aliens have souls or are they souless like dogs and other lowly animals?

Does this mean that there could be aliens in heaven?

Do aliens need to be Catholic to get into heaven?

Were the aliens also created in the image of God?

Could the aliens be free from original sin?

If the aliens were created in the image of God and free from sin, if we procreate with an alien, will the baby be half-n-half? As in on half free of original sin.

Tue, 13 May 2008 17:01:00 UTC | #170620

Quine's Avatar Comment 22 by Quine

Aliens from a world without sin??? Wow! We could turn our whole planet into the galactic Las Vegas and make every human fabulously wealthy!!

"What happens on Earth, stays on Earth."

Tue, 13 May 2008 17:16:00 UTC | #170624

rivetheretic's Avatar Comment 24 by rivetheretic

Please check out the article in the BBC news website. It says that it is possible that the aliens, should they exist, may be without original sin.


Here's the BBC link:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7399661.stm

Right, I didn't see that. This is more like an interview than an announcement. It seems to me that he's speaking more as a knowledgeable Church official rather than giving out new guidance.

He's speculating on things that he hasn't been told he can't speculate on and using his Catholic beliefs as a base.

Adam and Eve committed Original Sin. So their decedents have Original Sin (except for Mary). No alien Adam? God created them separately from humans; they may not have Original Sin.

Catholics have a long tradition of this sort of quirky "reasoning". They start with premises from revealed or observed "truth" and then proceed through deductive reasoning. When they come to a point where the reasoning would take them to a place that contradicts a Church teaching, they jump to the Church teaching and continue. It's jarring, and sometimes really weird. If I had to choose though, I'd take that over the outright hatred and outright rejection of reason that many other religionists teach.

Tue, 13 May 2008 17:23:00 UTC | #170627

Agrajag's Avatar Comment 23 by Agrajag

15. Comment #179764 by Diacanu on May 13, 2008 at 4:50 pm
Vatican: It's all right to cry

It's aaall right to cryyyy!!
Cryyyying gets the sad out of you!
It's aaaall right to cryyyy!
It might make you feel better!

Raindrops from your eyyyyyes!
Waaashing all the mad out of you!
Raindrops from your eyyyyes!
It's gonna make you feel better!

(I dunno why that popped into my head. My brain is just a big mixed up Youtube jukebox from hell, really)

Diacanu, I never would have imagined you channeling Rosey Grier!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_to_Be…_You_and_Me
"Free to be You and Me"!
Ste5e

Edit: For some retarded reason, the url for this Rosey Grier opus won't display. I have prayed to Quetz and FSM without success. Interested parties can Google "Rosey Grier" and follow the link to "Free to be..."

Tue, 13 May 2008 17:23:00 UTC | #170626

robotaholic's Avatar Comment 25 by robotaholic

But he said he continues to believe that "God is the creator of the universe and that we are not the result of chance."

-Chance- that ugly word rears it's head yet again - I wish someone would explain to this man that evolution through natural selection is just about the opposite of chance.

Tue, 13 May 2008 17:28:00 UTC | #170628

History_Junky's Avatar Comment 26 by History_Junky

Those poor bastards, they didn't even have the opportunity to redeem themselves from their sin :(

Tue, 13 May 2008 17:37:00 UTC | #170629

rivetheretic's Avatar Comment 27 by rivetheretic

No, just part of the "sex out of wedlock and/or with birth control is evil unless it's banging boys", kookiness.



  1. sex out of wedlock is evil - Check, thought they may quibble about the word evil.

  2. birth control is evil - Check (see above about evil)

  3. kookiness - Check. I think it's important not to paint people with the same brush though. Judge them by their own beliefs, not somebody else's.

  4. sexual abuse - They do consider this to be a sin. I'd say that they consider it to be more evil than the above two. The problem is that they treated it as a sin and not a crime which is how we expect those who are responsible for children to treat it.

Tue, 13 May 2008 17:49:00 UTC | #170635

Ansu's Avatar Comment 28 by Ansu

- If they die, they have commited the original sin.
So shoot em in the head* and if they die you can evangelize them

*if they have no heads, or you just cant find it , just use a flame thrower. In case they are still alive, be creative.

Tue, 13 May 2008 17:53:00 UTC | #170637

Diacanu's Avatar Comment 29 by Diacanu

rivetheretic-


The problem is that they treated it as a sin and not a crime which is how we expect those who are responsible for children to treat it.


Then "sin", is meaningless junk language, and their estimation of good and evil is equally worthless to me.

Tue, 13 May 2008 18:42:00 UTC | #170644

Pieter's Avatar Comment 30 by Pieter

Is anyone else here suddenly reminded of that South Park episode with the Gelgamek Catholics?

"The Gelgamek vagina is over three meters wide and filled with razor sharp teeth. Do you really expect us to have sex with them?!?"

surreal.

Tue, 13 May 2008 18:44:00 UTC | #170645