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Diocletian's Avatar Comment 1 by Diocletian

A word to Senator Pelosi:
"You go girl!"

Thank goodness there are some in government who remember the principles upon which the US was based.

Fri, 16 May 2008 16:32:00 UTC | #172039

Skeptic Pete's Avatar Comment 2 by Skeptic Pete

But what if I like my baby goat cooked in its mothers own milk?

Fri, 16 May 2008 16:33:00 UTC | #172040

10's Avatar Comment 3 by 10

Both of these [resolutions] would authorize a Ten Commandments weekend in order to recognize the Ten Commandments as the foundation of law in this country,"

Why can't they just celebrate a Ten Commandments weekend and let everyone else be? It's not illegal to make up holidays is it? If people enjoy the meme it will propagate.
...we need these passed

Because otherwise the Secular Police will come and crash our Ten Commandments Block Party?
...the Supreme Court has a Ten Commandments display

Just in case they forget them? This doesn't mean they support a national Ten Commandments Day. I'd hope. I suggest we start with a "no one breaks any laws afternoon" and see how that goes.

Fri, 16 May 2008 16:47:00 UTC | #172043

Diacanu's Avatar Comment 4 by Diacanu


the Ten Commandments as the foundation of law in this country


Bull-fucking-shit.


The prospect of passing anything that respects our social values


Such as separation of church and state?

Fri, 16 May 2008 17:18:00 UTC | #172048

Serdan's Avatar Comment 5 by Serdan

"Both of these [resolutions] would authorize a Ten Commandments weekend in order to recognize the Ten Commandments as the foundation of law in this country,"

The foundation of law?!

Let's have a look at them.

You shall have no other gods before me.
Riiight...

You shall not make for yourself an idol.
Riiight...

You shall not make wrongful use of the name of your God.
Lulz.

Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy.
ROFL!

Honor your father and mother.
Whatever.

You shall not murder.
Sounds good.

You shall not commit adultery.
Unless I want to.

You shall not steal.
Sounds good.

You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
Yes, I shall.

You shall not covet your neighbor's [stuff].
It's none of your business what I covet.

So two out of ten. And this is supposed to be the foundation of law? Fucking retards.

Fri, 16 May 2008 17:18:00 UTC | #172049

Agrajag's Avatar Comment 6 by Agrajag

5. Comment #181246 by Serdan on May 16, 2008 at 6:18 pm

"Both of these [resolutions] would authorize a Ten Commandments weekend in order to recognize the Ten Commandments as the foundation of law in this country,"

The foundation of law?!

Let's have a look at them.
...
...
So two out of ten. And this is supposed to be the foundation of law? Fucking retards.

Don't be so hard on them. How were these goat milkers supposed to know that what someone was told by a *burning bush* would someday be mistaken for the founding principles of what could (under more favorable circumstances) be considered the most powerful nation on earth?
Ste5e

Fri, 16 May 2008 17:39:00 UTC | #172052

SpacePup84's Avatar Comment 7 by SpacePup84

I thought these people were supposed to not follow the Old Testament? Why do they think it's fair to drag up the ten commandments and the "abomination" in Leviticus, and then to deny the rest of the rules given in the OT as irrelevant, as the NT supersedes the OT?

Fri, 16 May 2008 17:40:00 UTC | #172053

riki's Avatar Comment 8 by riki

I hope they do find new earth like planets soon. Then these nut jobs can fire up their Noah's Ark 2 spaceship and begin carving out their own little Christian paradise.

Fri, 16 May 2008 18:11:00 UTC | #172059

Cartomancer's Avatar Comment 9 by Cartomancer

I'm glad this woman has her priorities straight - introducing healthy vegetarian snacks to government canteens and an admirable devotion to civic nomenclature are both far more productive things to spend one's legislative efforts on than promoting two-millennium old ethical curiosities in the public sphere.

In fact she could spend the remainder of her term counting the House of Congress's supply of paperclips and she'd still be contributing more to the legal stability of the United States than these decalogue-toting jobsworths ever will.

Fri, 16 May 2008 18:21:00 UTC | #172061

Quine's Avatar Comment 10 by Quine

Then these nut jobs can fire up their Noah's Ark 2 spaceship ...


Would that be the "B" ship along with the telephone sanitizers?

Seriously, you really think these nut jobs could work a spaceship?

Fri, 16 May 2008 18:25:00 UTC | #172062

Cartomancer's Avatar Comment 11 by Cartomancer

Actually, come to think of it, why not let them have their snippets of exodus and leviticus plastered all over the walls, but instead of just the ten commandments make sure they have a smattering of the really crazy ones as well, just to balance things out?

That would get religious people thinking about the feeble pretense that they get their morals from scripture...

Fri, 16 May 2008 18:27:00 UTC | #172063

Savior Self's Avatar Comment 12 by Savior Self

Why don't we just post the only set of rules that (according to the bible) god is on record as calling the Ten Commandments (Exodus 34). Then maybe all you secular lunatics will stop boiling all those baby goats in their mother's milk.

Fri, 16 May 2008 18:55:00 UTC | #172070

dragonfirematrix's Avatar Comment 13 by dragonfirematrix

Well... we have the Christians in America trying to force their GD religion on people in America just like the Islamic are trying to force their GD religion on people.

There is a very simple answer to these Abrahamic religion problems. Very simply...

...JUST REMEMBER THAT THE TOILET BOWL HAS A FLUSH HANDLE. Religion in politics should have only one destination, which is the direction I just proposed.

Fri, 16 May 2008 19:11:00 UTC | #172071

MelM's Avatar Comment 14 by MelM

An e-mail I sent back on April 3:

Judiciary Committee Chairman: Senator Leahy,

I'm writing to urge you not to support S.Res 483, "Ten Commandments Weekend".

This resolution is just more "Christian Nation" theocratic propaganda and certainly violates the wall-of-separation: it's religious preaching. Really, it's the people's job to preach (or not) and the Senate's job to protect our right to do it. For the Senate to get into the act of preaching is grossly outrageous.

If the Founders had wanted to create a theocracy, they had plenty of models to choose from--but they didn't do it; they created a secular government for very good reasons.

Thanks for your attention.
X
California
Here's what Americans United had to say:
http://blog.au.org/2008/05/13/lost-weekend-religious-right-seeks-twoday-ten-commandments-confab/
If members of Murray's church want to celebrate the Commandments and erect them for all to see, no one's going to stop them. He could even stick them up in his back yard or make tiny versions into paperweights. Be creative. Knock yourself out, Bill.
I walk right by a couple of churches on my way to Chinese take-out; there's plenty of room out front for 10 foot high "10 commandments" but there are none--not even little ones.

Where's the anti-slavery commandment?
What kind of divine wisdom is this? No commandment about treating everyone equally under the law and no commandment about not taking slaves? And why not something about the separation of church and state? Their imaginary friend could have done sooooooo much better; just think of the misery that could have so easily been saved.

They're un-American.
IMO, this 10 commandments crap is just a step toward making the bible the law of the land. Remember Huck who wanted to makeover the U.S. Constitution? Are these 'tards promoting a "Bill-Of-Rights Weekend"? No. This whole "Christian Nation" movement is un-American.

Liars For Jesus:
http://www.liarsforjesus.com/

Fri, 16 May 2008 19:25:00 UTC | #172076

Diocletian's Avatar Comment 15 by Diocletian

Why can't they just celebrate a Ten Commandments weekend and let everyone else be? It's not illegal to make up holidays is it? If people enjoy the meme it will propagate.


To do that successfully they would need beer. That's how St Patrick's Day and Cinco de Mayo made it on the calendar without an official endorsement from the government. After all, doesn't reading the 10 commandments sort of make you want to go out and get drunk?

Fri, 16 May 2008 19:27:00 UTC | #172077

Caudimordax's Avatar Comment 16 by Caudimordax

But Skeptic Pete has it right. WHICH ten commandments are they referring to?

Fri, 16 May 2008 19:35:00 UTC | #172083

moderndaythomas's Avatar Comment 17 by moderndaythomas

And if it has anything to do with the cause of Christ or with social values or family values, it's just totally ignored


I come into contact with the Christian "higher ground" theme frequently. As if Christianity has it's own brand of values out of reach of all who don't pray before every meal.

Fri, 16 May 2008 19:37:00 UTC | #172084

VrijzinnigMan's Avatar Comment 18 by VrijzinnigMan

Great! What good is it to just celebrate the ten commandments? Pretty soon they will insist that those who do not follow them be punished per God's instructions. Expect a lot of stoning to death! Texas will most surely lead the pack. I guess I better start thinking about moving.

Fri, 16 May 2008 19:43:00 UTC | #172086

moderndaythomas's Avatar Comment 19 by moderndaythomas

Diocletian said;

After all, doesn't reading the 10 commandments sort of make you want to go out and get drunk?


Yes, drink beer and perhaps pull out the golden calf.
Oh, how would they feel if Ten Commandments week was followed by Golden Calf day?
There would be beer.

Fri, 16 May 2008 19:44:00 UTC | #172087

Geodesic17's Avatar Comment 20 by Geodesic17

If these people ever get their way, I bet they will find out it is more than they bargained for. It would be a huge disaster. How can they be so ignorant of history? I don't understand how a person could be so dense and deluded.

Also, are they trying to bribe and please God by this stunt? How do they intend to enforce the 10 Commandments? Have they thought that far ahead or are they just trying to promote the rapture?

Fri, 16 May 2008 19:47:00 UTC | #172088

MelM's Avatar Comment 21 by MelM

It has not escaped notice by some supporters of House Res 888 (the Declaration of Theocracy resolution) that, if passed, they could show up at state legislatures and point to it.

I quote from an important article by Chris Rodda:

http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/2/6/212428/8596

On what grounds could anyone object to a school in their state having a religion week if the United States House of Representatives has designated it a religion week? Barton and Forbes even urge their audience to try to get their state legislatures to pass similar resolutions to reinforce this. That way, according to Barton, the response to any objection would be: "It's state law. You'll have a state law that designates the first week of May as faith in American history week." Co-host Green explains it like this: "When you get this type of thing passed, it opens the door for you to go to your local school district and encourage them to do something on this, and it allows for those teachers that have been wanting to get this curriculum into the classroom and teach it. There you go. It's a perfect way to do it." And if this isn't bad enough, Barton and Green even go as far as saying that the resolution itself -- with its 75 lie packed "Whereases" -- would be the perfect curriculum.
Don't think that RR resolutions are just harmless bullshit.

Fri, 16 May 2008 19:49:00 UTC | #172090

debaser71's Avatar Comment 22 by debaser71

"Strangely enough, the Supreme Court has a Ten Commandments display, but Congress so far will not budge on honoring them."

Hardly. More lying for Jesus.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/capital.asp

There are pictures too.

Fri, 16 May 2008 20:41:00 UTC | #172107

shaunfletcher's Avatar Comment 23 by shaunfletcher

Its been shown again and again that the vast majority of practising christians dont know what the ten commandments are.

I always find it hard to believe but every time someone checks its true.

They just think that the commandments are 'dont kill or steal and love thy neighbour and other stuff like that'

Churches do not, on any account, want people to be presented with a list which, as noted above, contains 2 actual worthwhile prohibitions and a couple of arguable bits of life advice, and thats about it.

Id be pretty upset if the law consisted only of this lot.

Fri, 16 May 2008 20:49:00 UTC | #172110

Carl Sai Baba's Avatar Comment 24 by Carl Sai Baba

steveroot said:
"How were these goat milkers supposed to know ..."

This sounds a little tribalistic to me. In the future, please address your comments to ALL makers of dairy products.

Fri, 16 May 2008 21:21:00 UTC | #172115

room101's Avatar Comment 25 by room101

THIS guy is the son of atheist Murray-O'hare? Boy, where did she go wrong???!!!??

RE: shaunfletcher #23

I agree. What pisses me off the most, is if you asked this tard to name the 10 commandments (ala Stephen Colbert asking that pious councilman some time ago - priceless) I bet you dollars-to-doughnuts he couldn't do it...

Fri, 16 May 2008 21:25:00 UTC | #172116

bucketchemist's Avatar Comment 26 by bucketchemist


Hardly. More lying for Jesus.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/capital.asp

There are pictures too.


One of the friezes includes a representation of Mohamed. Should we be concerned?

Fri, 16 May 2008 21:33:00 UTC | #172117

Barry Pearson's Avatar Comment 27 by Barry Pearson

Caudimordax asked: ... WHICH ten commandments are they referring to?
Good question, and not just about "baby goat cooked in its mothers own milk"!

We know that there isn't simply a list of 10 commandments in the Bible. Probably many people don't know that there isn't a standard list of 10 commandments outside the bible. Jews, Protestants, and Catholics has slightly different lists. (The list at #181246 is the Protestant list).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10_commandments

I wouldn't like to live in a society where the typical list provides the ONLY commandments. Apart from getting rid of most of them, I would like a few extra commandments: "do not rape"; "do not own slaves"; "do not abuse children"; "do not discriminate [on various grounds]"; etc. But ... you wouldn't get those out of the Old Testament, because God was in favour of those acts!

Fri, 16 May 2008 23:05:00 UTC | #172125

Raiko's Avatar Comment 28 by Raiko

The prospect of passing anything that respects our social values and the Christian heritage of the nation is extremely difficult.


This sentence needs correction:

The prospect of passing anything that respects ours, but ignores everyone else's social values, and that also ignores the secular foundation of the nation, is extremely difficult.


Now it works.

Fri, 16 May 2008 23:56:00 UTC | #172137

pholt's Avatar Comment 29 by pholt

Its been shown again and again that the vast majority of practising christians dont know what the ten commandments are.


For example, Stephen Colbert interviewing Congressman Lynn Westmoreland of Georgia.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1562658289653706925

Sat, 17 May 2008 01:02:00 UTC | #172146

King of NH's Avatar Comment 30 by King of NH

I just had this conversation with my boss yesterday. Well, he yelled at me, to be honest, for supporting gay marriage even though it is against the bible, and therefore against the Christian-based American law. I asked him to give one law of our country, excepting 'blue laws' or 'Jim Crow laws,' that comes from the bible. He yelled at me again, since I am a veteran so in his mind fought on God's side, for not being Christian. Needless to say, I'm looking for a new job and a lawyer.

Sat, 17 May 2008 01:28:00 UTC | #172150