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Sally Luxmoore's Avatar Comment 1 by Sally Luxmoore

Surprise. . .

He's human.
and (allegedly) -he's a hypocrite.

As Christopher Hitchens says,
It so often turns out that people of this caste fulminate against the very sins/ temptations that they are a prey to.

Sat, 17 May 2008 08:29:00 UTC | #172275

dudenextdoor's Avatar Comment 2 by dudenextdoor

*starts playing "Another One Bites The Dust"*

I'd actually be interested to see how this type of thing actually plays out; do they send an alternate pastor now, close the church, or what? Guess we'll have to wait and see.

Sat, 17 May 2008 08:30:00 UTC | #172276

mordacious1's Avatar Comment 3 by mordacious1

I'm shocked, shocked to find that there's gambling at this establishment.

Here are your winnings sir.

Sat, 17 May 2008 08:31:00 UTC | #172277

kkelly's Avatar Comment 5 by kkelly

Sometimes I'm happy that such a thing as pedophilia exists because of the joy I feel when self-righteous hypocrites like this fall hard. Does this make me a bad person? As if I care.

Sat, 17 May 2008 08:39:00 UTC | #172282

Barbara's Avatar Comment 4 by Barbara

On May 6, Barron suggested meeting the girl in person. He eventually made the nearly 200-mile drive to Bryan on Thursday, when he was arrested. Police said they found a web-cam and condoms in his car.

There is no mistaking what this man was determined to do. Two hundred miles is a long way to drive to 'just talk' as is the claim made by so many of these predators.

Lock him away and never let him out!

Sat, 17 May 2008 08:39:00 UTC | #172281

moneybags's Avatar Comment 6 by moneybags

I remember Hitchens once said on Bill Maher's show "you find some preacher thundering on about fagotry and he'll be found down on his lousy knees".

while this case doesn't involve homosexual hypocrisy, the same sentiment applies.

Sat, 17 May 2008 08:40:00 UTC | #172283

Geoff's Avatar Comment 7 by Geoff

Nothing in the ten commandments that suggests he did anything wrong.

Good job we get our morals from the bible really, otherwise people might think what he did was immoral.

Sat, 17 May 2008 08:42:00 UTC | #172284

louzer's Avatar Comment 8 by louzer

It so often turns out that people of this caste fulminate against the very sins/ temptations that they are a prey to.
Perhaps this is a widespread phenomena when it comes to human sexuality. There must be some underlying reason as to why the most sexually active among us wants to pretend that they are not so. For example, I come from a country where kissing on movie screens is considered vulgar, sex related talk is not at all tolerated, contraception is evil, teachers skip over biology lessons that teach sex, and everyone pretends they are not interested in sex. BUT we are the second most populated place on the planet. Somebody is having a lot of sex.

Sat, 17 May 2008 08:50:00 UTC | #172286

HourglassMemory's Avatar Comment 9 by HourglassMemory

Surprise!!!!
....these men always think THEY won't get caught.
Why not NOT do this sort of thing if they preach against it?
It's so sad seeing people saying something and then doing what they condemn. And then they're caught.
...Not to mention that god is watching everything.
Not only do they believe there's an omnipowerful voyeur, but they would also have some strange sort of exhibitionism.

Sat, 17 May 2008 09:18:00 UTC | #172293

emmet's Avatar Comment 10 by emmet

I read recently (admittedly second-hand) that the second-best predictor of child sexual abuse by a parent is parental membership of a conservative religious group with strong emphasis on traditional gender roles.

The best predictor is alcoholism or drug addiction of the father.

The source was "Sexual Abuse in Christian Homes and Churches" by Carolyn Holderread Heggen.

Sat, 17 May 2008 09:21:00 UTC | #172295

mejdrich's Avatar Comment 11 by mejdrich

Oh, this is beautiful.

I drive past this church every day on my way to work.

We've been calling it "Six-Flags over Jesus" or "The Baptidome".

What're we going to call it now?

Sat, 17 May 2008 09:25:00 UTC | #172299

DamnDirtyApe's Avatar Comment 12 by DamnDirtyApe

How about the baddiedome?

Sat, 17 May 2008 09:35:00 UTC | #172303

Duff's Avatar Comment 13 by Duff

Dudenextdoor,
Are you serious? Close the church!! Nothing will close the church. This isn't religion and ethics, this is the Godbusiness! They will apologize and get back to business as usual.

Sat, 17 May 2008 09:38:00 UTC | #172304

Granton's Avatar Comment 14 by Granton

What really interests me about stories like this is that he CANNOT really believe in an all-seeing, all-powerful god.

Sat, 17 May 2008 09:43:00 UTC | #172308

mordacious1's Avatar Comment 15 by mordacious1

No, they won't close the money-maker. In fact, they will probably do a collection for the perv. and then send him to a jesus rehab camp after he is out. Then he will minister using his "fall from grace" and redemption. The money will really role in then. It is a great business plan.

Sat, 17 May 2008 09:44:00 UTC | #172309

Stephen Maxwell's Avatar Comment 16 by Stephen Maxwell

A prime example of 'The Craig Factor' established by Hitchens on Real Time.

Sat, 17 May 2008 09:48:00 UTC | #172310

emmet's Avatar Comment 17 by emmet

What're we going to call it now?

Sex flags under Jesus?

Sat, 17 May 2008 09:52:00 UTC | #172311

MaxD's Avatar Comment 18 by MaxD

It is good to see the way church based morality helped keep this Christian on the straignt and narrow. I mean with out religion, God and the bible what could possible influence someone to behave lawfully and morally?
Its obvious isn't it?

Sat, 17 May 2008 09:55:00 UTC | #172314

zosky's Avatar Comment 19 by zosky

the greatest fallacy that is religion is once again exposed. What was that you said about religion as the source of morals again? Only a handful of humans are actually adults. The majority of the world population is still struggling in infancy where crimes/whims are not judged by the harm to the recieving individual but by how god will view it. Hence the sin and later repent mentality. It takes a big baby to believe in a sky daddy

Sat, 17 May 2008 10:02:00 UTC | #172316

Mango's Avatar Comment 20 by Mango

If you join the Freedom from Religion Foundation (www.ffrf.org) you'll receive their newspaper in which there is a section called "Black Collar Crime Blotter." It lists all of the most recent crimes by religious leaders, such as the one this story reports. This one is typical of the many they report.

Sat, 17 May 2008 10:07:00 UTC | #172318

exquisitetruth's Avatar Comment 21 by exquisitetruth

This just goes to show that Christian morality is the foundation of the Nazi regime . . . or something like that.
Can we do a documentary where we talk about these guys while standing in front of the ovens at Auschwitz?
How do they keep gaining traction with the argument that atheists are amoral sociopaths, when these stories crop up every month or two?

Sat, 17 May 2008 11:20:00 UTC | #172337

dudenextdoor's Avatar Comment 22 by dudenextdoor

I mentioned closing the church because I've seen an instance of a church closing before because of a scandal. It just wasn't nearly as large a church, is all. I do want to see how it plays out in a megachurch...

Sat, 17 May 2008 11:27:00 UTC | #172340

exquisitetruth's Avatar Comment 23 by exquisitetruth

Oh, they'd never close the church over something like this. Christians have the perfect protection from these scandals. They simply say that the actions of their followers do not reflect the faith.

Now, how you can say that, given that all we have to go on are the followers, is beyond me, but it's a pretty good racket if you can get people to fall for it.

It's the classic, "That's not the Jesus I know." argument.

Sat, 17 May 2008 11:36:00 UTC | #172343

Adam Morrison's Avatar Comment 24 by Adam Morrison

MaxD,

Now, now, you know that this was clearly Satan tempting the man
-or-
that priest never truly believed the absolutely 100% crystal clear, never misinterpreted words of Jebus
-or-
he was secretly an atheist undercover and it's all part of the atheist majority in the US's conspiracy to make Christianity suffer.

Sat, 17 May 2008 11:39:00 UTC | #172345

Lisa Bauer's Avatar Comment 25 by Lisa Bauer

This is so not-surprising; it has an air of inevitibility about it, as if one expected somebody like this to get busted for something like that. Interesting what that says about megachurch ministers, isn't it?

As for closing down the church--iffy. New Life Church, Ted Haggard's old stomping grounds, is still around and, by the looks of it, doing good business, even if attendance dropped a bit after the scandal broke.

http://www.newlifechurch.org/

Sat, 17 May 2008 11:48:00 UTC | #172346

TAG's Avatar Comment 26 by TAG

Sat, 17 May 2008 13:43:00 UTC | #172363

cicely's Avatar Comment 27 by cicely

But you see, it's only wrong if someone else does it....

He'll have to lay low a couple of months, get some high-profile counselling, and be right back in business selling that same Old Time Religion (though possibly out of a different kiosk). After all, God will have forgiven him (so you can know, Brothers and Sisters, that'll he'll also forgive you your indiscretions). Much rhetoric about Divine Mercy (but precious little about Justice).

Besides, the church won't close; after all, they've got another 39 who haven't done anything (that they've got caught at, anyway).

Sat, 17 May 2008 14:11:00 UTC | #172369

Zaphod's Avatar Comment 28 by Zaphod

Not surprised.

Sat, 17 May 2008 14:35:00 UTC | #172379

Grantaire of JC's Avatar Comment 29 by Grantaire of JC

$7,000.00 bail? Wow if that happened in Jersey City it would be at least 50K! Talk about compassion. And let's not forget the condoms and webcam. What, is it okay because there actually wasn't a minor on the other end of the computer? The whole article makes me sick. This could have been a real thirteen year old girl!!

Sat, 17 May 2008 16:18:00 UTC | #172405

robotaholic's Avatar Comment 30 by robotaholic

He was simply following the direction from the holy prophet mohammad -

Sat, 17 May 2008 16:23:00 UTC | #172408