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Raiko's Avatar Comment 1 by Raiko

She said the Pope's teachings contributed to 67,000 women dying every year from backyard abortions and a suicide rate among gay youth that is seven times the average.


Does anyone have more information on this? Are suicide rates among Catholic homosexuals higher than in non-homophobic groups? Are there reliable statistics on backyard abortion? If what she's saying is even remotely the case, all the more "bravo" for the protest!

Tue, 24 Jun 2008 07:33:00 UTC | #188520

Ygern's Avatar Comment 2 by Ygern

Hmm, the Raelians are nutters themselves
http://rael.org/rael_content/rael_summary.php

But I'm all for letting the Pope know how many people oppose his Church's immoral and naive teachings on contraception.

Their policy on condoms is also killing people by the millions in Africa, to say nothing of perpetuating poverty.

Tue, 24 Jun 2008 07:39:00 UTC | #188524

mordacious1's Avatar Comment 3 by mordacious1

Well good for them.

They should give one to the pope, since he is a dick.

Tue, 24 Jun 2008 07:51:00 UTC | #188534

Cartomancer's Avatar Comment 4 by Cartomancer

Apparently it's a very ill-kept secret among the world's governmental intelligence agencies that ratty is a big fat queen himself. So my friend from the Israeli intelligence service says anyway. That'd certainly explain a lot of his homophobia, nasty old bigot that he is.

But what a crowd! Stern, Dawkinsean atheists rubbing shoulders with mad-as-hatters raelians, happy-clappy christian milksops, flamboyant gay rights folk and rabid socialists waving Das Kapital and singing the battle hymn of the republic at full blast. I can hardly imagine what the pope might do if personally confronted by such a motley crew - well, apart from growl angrily and shoot lightning bolts from his fingers like he did to Mace Windhu in Return of the Sith. Fortunately with all those rubber condoms around our plucky band of heroes will be properly insulated from such an attack, rendering ratty impotent to resist their demands.

So Say No to Pope children! If anyone comes up to you in the playground offering you pope, just say no. The smallest amount could get you hooked - many addicts started off with just a half cardinal or a handful of bishops before moving on to the hard stuff. Even if all your friends are whacked out on pope (also known on the street as papa, pontiff, holy father, vicar of christ, old man ratty and by many other names) resist their calls that you join them. Pope ruins lives, wrecks families and alters your brain. You might end up with no rational faculties at all, wearing a dress and dribbling insanely as you chant Latin canticles and wave a thurible over your head. The St. Bonaventure Home for Terminal Pope Addicts on Vatican Hill is full of such unfortunates. Don't do it!

Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:19:00 UTC | #188561

qomak's Avatar Comment 5 by qomak

Raelian members Eden Bates and Gerry Texeira said it was unfair that their leader, Claude Vorilhon, known as Rael, was denied a visa upon application while the Pope was being feted by Australian governments.


I agree. It was quite unfair that they did not imprison this Rael bastard for the juicy fraud that he is.

Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:20:00 UTC | #188562

Chrysippus_Maximus's Avatar Comment 6 by Chrysippus_Maximus

Strange bedfellows, indeed.

Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:23:00 UTC | #188565

burn0gas's Avatar Comment 7 by burn0gas

Here's to giving out comdoms...

'FUCK' YEAH!

:-)

Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:24:00 UTC | #188567

DavidSJA's Avatar Comment 8 by DavidSJA

Cartomancer said:

alters your brain

I think you meant "altars your brain".

Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:29:00 UTC | #188572

DamnDirtyApe's Avatar Comment 9 by DamnDirtyApe

Other groups in the NoToPope Coalition are the Socialist Alliance, Resistance, Atheists Sydney and the Raelians, a religious sect that has claimed to have cloned the world's first human being.


Argh.... a coalition with those nutjobs? Grief... I'd rather gnaw off my own arm.

Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:35:00 UTC | #188576

advocatus_diaboli's Avatar Comment 10 by advocatus_diaboli

Argh.... a coalition with those nutjobs? Grief... I'd rather gnaw off my own arm.



I'm all for supporting their choice not to breed.

Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:43:00 UTC | #188580

Linda's Avatar Comment 11 by Linda

A few years ago when the other pope came to Toronto for a 'youth' conference a group tried to hand out condoms to the kids but this was quickly stopped by the police. I for one was pretty darn upset and telephoned our MP immediately. He was all gaga for his 'holy father' and didn't want anything to rock the dog and pony show. After a few more calls to the mayor's office etc. condoms were then allowed to be distributed. I'm sure it wasn't just me complaining however it is worth remembering that speaking up is the only way to put things right.

On the Sunday of that weekend a huge outdoor mass was held. It seemed a delicious twist of irony that the weather didn't co-operate and there was a very heavy rainfall. After the rain stopped the silly kids stuffed their rain gear into the port-a-potties, which were then dumped into the sewage system. The result was that it blocked up and over flowed into a local furniture store destroying the inventory. The first photos of the mishap were on the web but they quickly disappeared as all Toronto media wiped the mess from the news.

http://www.wcr.ab.ca/news/2003/0113/wyd-flood011303.shtml

Good luck Australians.

Tue, 24 Jun 2008 09:11:00 UTC | #188599

ThoughtsonCommonToad's Avatar Comment 12 by ThoughtsonCommonToad

Condoms will be handed out to pilgrims en route to a papal Mass at Randwick Racecourse on World Youth Day as part of a protest against the Catholic Church's attitude to homosexuality, contraception and abortion.
and Child rape, support of dictators, stem cell research and science in general, jews, other christians. Should I go on?

Tue, 24 Jun 2008 09:14:00 UTC | #188601

Prankster's Avatar Comment 13 by Prankster

Cartomancer

Remind me never to read your posts while drinking fizzy beer-makeszzzzz a terrible mess of the keyboarrrrrrrrddddd and monitor?

Brilliant as always!

Tue, 24 Jun 2008 09:21:00 UTC | #188609

liberalartist's Avatar Comment 14 by liberalartist

oh, how I miss the days when youth protested against the establishment and rejected authority. Now they pant after the pope as if he were Elvis! So only a rag-tag group of feel-good christians, liars and atheists are left to protest against one of the biggest ani-human rights violators on the planet. so sad.

Tue, 24 Jun 2008 09:49:00 UTC | #188630

Dr. Strangegod's Avatar Comment 15 by Dr. Strangegod

The Raelians may be a little wacky, but they are relatively harmless, and in this case, they are being positively helpful. As we've all discussed before, you don't have to agree with someone on everything to accept their help on the important things. Clones, space gods, ex-race car driver prophets or not, the followers of Rael have the right attitude about condoms, so I welcome their help in challenging those who do not.

Tue, 24 Jun 2008 09:50:00 UTC | #188634

b0ltzm0n's Avatar Comment 16 by b0ltzm0n

The Raelians may be a little wacky, but they are relatively harmless...


Someone probably said the same thing about Christians a couple thousand years ago.

Tue, 24 Jun 2008 11:02:00 UTC | #188704

Thor'Ungal's Avatar Comment 17 by Thor'Ungal

Someone probably said the same thing about Christians a couple thousand years ago.


This just suggests we need to keep an eye on them. But until they develop plans for world domination they still seem harmless.

Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:08:00 UTC | #188872

robotaholic's Avatar Comment 18 by robotaholic

Cartomancer, that was hilarious!

Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:09:00 UTC | #188873

AoClay's Avatar Comment 19 by AoClay

They have to thrown in that 'misrepresenting'

Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:37:00 UTC | #188880

acs's Avatar Comment 20 by acs

Clearly most of the posters arent from Australia.

The NSW police force (and NSW labor government for that matter) has a strong catholic tradition. When the paper says 'but she feared the NSW Government "wants to be heavy-handed with protesters"' She's not kidding round.

Strangely enough, Bishop Fisher (ex-lawyer turned catholic priest) tried to make a public statement that we should tolerate World Youth Day on the Australian Broadcasting Corporation website. It received more responses than any post in history, most of them negative.

http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/stories/s2273687.htm#comments

After all they are spending 150 million of my tax dollars to fund the damn thing.

Also, Check out www.worldtruthday.org - as you will see, organisers are trying to raise donations to hire lions to take care of the christian crowd. Estimated that we will need 50,000 lions to finish the job.

Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:47:00 UTC | #188883

Lightnin's Avatar Comment 21 by Lightnin

Cartomancer for the win!

Just as well I'm in slummy Newcastle, I won't have to wade through 4.98 X 10-19 moles of Catholics.

Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:59:00 UTC | #188897

Phasic's Avatar Comment 22 by Phasic

The Raelians cloned the world's first human being?

I'm sure we had human beings before then...

Tue, 24 Jun 2008 22:22:00 UTC | #188944

hexhunter's Avatar Comment 23 by hexhunter

Linda said:

A few years ago when the other pope came to Toronto for a 'youth' conference a group tried to hand out condoms to the kids but this was quickly stopped by the police. I for one was pretty darn upset and telephoned our MP immediately. He was all gaga for his 'holy father' and didn't want anything to rock the dog and pony show. After a few more calls to the mayor's office etc. condoms were then allowed to be distributed. I'm sure it wasn't just me complaining however it is worth remembering that speaking up is the only way to put things right.

On the Sunday of that weekend a huge outdoor mass was held. It seemed a delicious twist of irony that the weather didn't co-operate and there was a very heavy rainfall. After the rain stopped the silly kids stuffed their rain gear into the port-a-potties, which were then dumped into the sewage system. The result was that it blocked up and over flowed into a local furniture store destroying the inventory. The first photos of the mishap were on the web but they quickly disappeared as all Toronto media wiped the mess from the news.

http://www.wcr.ab.ca/news/2003/0113/wyd-flood011303.shtml

Good luck Australians.


Here's a useful tool for cases like this, go to www.archive.org and use the 'Wayback Machine'. They archive sites reguarly, so the local news sites may have deleted all traces of the occurance, but the Internet Archive will still have a version of it.

Good Luck
- Deus X Machina

Edit: Oh, but it takes 6 months for the site to appear. So last years version will be on their, but none of this years will...

Wed, 25 Jun 2008 05:19:00 UTC | #189024

Faithhead's Avatar Comment 24 by Faithhead

"He is clearly a bigot ... many in the Catholic Church are also raising these issues, condemning the Pope for his hateful ideas."


If a person says it, its discrimination.
If the pope says it it becomes Dogma.
No double standards!
Either man should be free to discriminate openly.
Or the Pope (and by extention God-Papal infallibility) is a bigot.

Wed, 25 Jun 2008 06:06:00 UTC | #189050

King of NH's Avatar Comment 25 by King of NH

Other groups in the NoToPope Coalition are the Socialist Alliance, Resistance, Atheists Sydney and the Raelians...


Whoa, whoa, whoa...

whoa...

whoa...

The Raelians? What? I mean.. I just... I don't know what to say. All of these groups that seem at least close to normal, and these... Huh? The article should have a warning somewhere before just tossing Raelians in there and giving them a quote to boot. I had to go back and read the whole thing over.

Wed, 25 Jun 2008 06:44:00 UTC | #189087

Border Collie's Avatar Comment 26 by Border Collie

The Catholic Church has a 'attitude' about homosexuality? Oh, they do, they do!!! Oops, I mean, they personify it. Silly boys in their cute little outfits! Hey, Catholic Church, deal with your issues, be gay, stop molesting little children.

Wed, 25 Jun 2008 07:33:00 UTC | #189113

justinesaracen's Avatar Comment 27 by justinesaracen

Border Collie
Quite right!
We KNOW why the Catholic Church has IssYews about queers.
All these men who deal with their repugnance for sex with women by putting on dresses and chanting in Latin. Oh, Puleese.

And I know a dozen dykes (I'm allowed to use that word) who used to be in convents.
The Church is a sodding HAVEN for people who don't want to do the hetero thing and cannot, for the world, imagine an alternative other than living with their own sex and playing dress-up.

They all look like such clowns, the Catholic boys in their lace dresses and pointy hats, the Jews in their curley things and beanies, the Muslims with their prayer bumps and their asses in the air, and the evangelicals in their polyester suits and puffy pink faces.

Wed, 25 Jun 2008 07:53:00 UTC | #189128

DamnDirtyApe's Avatar Comment 28 by DamnDirtyApe

I'm convinced the article is trying to lump Atheists with the Raelians. Good grief, If anyone can get hold of someone from this coalition can they find out what really went on from their perspective?

This would be like the Anons having a joint protest with Scientologists against facists. It plain doesn't make any sense.

Wed, 25 Jun 2008 08:08:00 UTC | #189143

rotaTOR's Avatar Comment 29 by rotaTOR

Even if all your friends are whacked out on pope (also known on the street as papa, pontiff, holy father, vicar of christ, old man ratty


LOL!!

Wed, 25 Jun 2008 08:26:00 UTC | #189151

emmet's Avatar Comment 30 by emmet

One of my biggest problems with Razi is that he was the one who promulgated and updated the RCC official policy of non-cooperation with law enforcement investigating clerical child rape. They abused the diplomatic immunity of the Papal Nunciature to render incriminating evidence unreachable by search warrant.

If any other organisation had behaved similarly, a special police task-force would be established to infiltrate and destroy the organisation, and the Pope would be arrested the instant he set foot outside Vatican City to be extradited to any of several countries where the conspiracy he orchestrated perverted the course of justice. But because they're a religion, they can collude in the ass-rape of children with impunity.

To me, that's a criminal conspiracy to aid and abet child rapists, leaving Razi with far less moral credibility than Little Nick Carozzo.

Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:52:00 UTC | #189337