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8teist's Avatar Comment 1 by 8teist

Is there no end to the stupidity?

Sun, 29 Jun 2008 14:04:00 UTC | #191184

Rawhard Dickins's Avatar Comment 2 by Rawhard Dickins

Those middle eastern myths never had any significance on earth, never mind the universe.

These catholics are on another planet!

Sun, 29 Jun 2008 14:05:00 UTC | #191186

He'sAVeryNaughtyBoy's Avatar Comment 3 by He'sAVeryNaughtyBoy

People like to read and write books that are fantasticaly impossible and love to send themselves on fictional journeys in their heads for the fun of it ... and therefor god exists?

Umm, WTF?

Sun, 29 Jun 2008 14:06:00 UTC | #191187

GoodbyeGodNZ's Avatar Comment 4 by GoodbyeGodNZ

Holy fuck! This is a long one.

I haven't read it all yet but did notice an earlier bit:

"This is merely a sad commentary on the ignorance of newsmen, who seem not to know the noble role the Jesuits have always played in the history of higher education, or what the role her handmaiden science fills in relation to the Church."

Reading this mornings paper here in Wellington NZ, an article about Robert Mugabe - What makes a monster tick? - reveals that:

"He was raised by a fanatically Catholic mother who thought her son Robert had been chosen by God to lead the people. He attended a Jesuit school."

So much for catholic mothers and jesuits ..... they produce monsters. I rest my case!

Sun, 29 Jun 2008 14:16:00 UTC | #191197

Rawhard Dickins's Avatar Comment 5 by Rawhard Dickins


Thanks for the comments.

In what way do I miss at least one good valid point?

..He (Funes) said that aliens, like humans, would be able to benefit from the redemption offered by Jesus Christ and "the mercy of God".

So, Catholic christian ideas should apply to the rest of the universe?

It beggers belief.

Sun, 29 Jun 2008 14:33:00 UTC | #191222

8teist's Avatar Comment 6 by 8teist

Got to keep all the bases covered , can`t lose the gullible to the aliens .
Who knows what theology they may have?

Jeepers ,they might even have no beliefs

Sun, 29 Jun 2008 14:41:00 UTC | #191231

Goldy's Avatar Comment 7 by Goldy

Reading this mornings paper here in Wellington NZ

Dominion Post? If so I'll try and get that online...

Sun, 29 Jun 2008 14:43:00 UTC | #191234

Lisa Bauer's Avatar Comment 8 by Lisa Bauer

I recall reading a sci-fi story once where humans were visiting some alien planet and came across some of the inhabitants talking about this miracle worker they'd met. I think you were supposed to infer that this was, in fact, Jesus Christ, sent to the inhabitants of this particular planet in a form they could identify with.

It was a while ago, though, and I can't remember anything else about it, just that it kinda-sorta made sense if you accepted the Christian viewpoint of "intelligent beings needing to be saved." Obviously, aliens wouldn't really be able to identify with a human Jesus, so why wouldn't an all-powerful trinitarian deity send his son to alien worlds in alien form? (Note that I said "if" you accepted the Christian worldview...) Has anybody else heard of that story?

Sun, 29 Jun 2008 14:45:00 UTC | #191240

Rational_G's Avatar Comment 9 by Rational_G

What complete nonsense.

Sun, 29 Jun 2008 14:57:00 UTC | #191258

acs's Avatar Comment 10 by acs

I wonder if they have crucifixtion on gnugnu - or whatever planets out there support intelligent life. The passion may be a little hard to communicate of they don't.

Sun, 29 Jun 2008 14:59:00 UTC | #191262

notsobad's Avatar Comment 11 by notsobad

too much time on his hands

all these things, unfortunately, can be used by the agnostic imagination to paint our local and tribal gods with the colours of parochial absurdity


Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:10:00 UTC | #191276

TeraBrat's Avatar Comment 12 by TeraBrat

"This is merely a sad commentary on the ignorance of newsmen, who seem not to know the noble role the Jesuits have always played in the history of higher education, or what the role her handmaiden science fills in relation to the Church."

Higher education? As in "the earth is flat" and "the sun revolves around the earth?"

her handmaiden science? Didn't the church do everything they could to hinder science?

Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:13:00 UTC | #191281

jaytee_555's Avatar Comment 13 by jaytee_555

This guy has lost the plot.

Or maybe he is just an attention seeker who would prefer to be famous for being stupid rather than not being famous at all.

If someone ever hears me talking like that, will they shoot me, please?

Anyway, If ALL aliens all over the universe need redemption, it makes it pretty obvious that all beings created by God must have a serious design fault, and they cannot therefore be culpable for their failings - and so don't need to be redeemed in the first place!

Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:13:00 UTC | #191282

Chris Bell's Avatar Comment 14 by Chris Bell

He spends a lot of the beginning talking about facts that, to him, demonstrate the presence of God. The way that every particle in the Universe can feel the effect of every other, for example.

Lots of people love things like that, and even I get a mystic thrill from it.

I do not, however, continue on and say "therefore, a virgin gave birth."

Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:19:00 UTC | #191288

amuck's Avatar Comment 15 by amuck

James Blish wrote "A Case of Conscience" in 1959 which is, in my humble opinion, one of the best sci-fi treatments of the Catholic church in collision with an atheistic alien culture, not that I was in agreement with the ending.

Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:20:00 UTC | #191291

Border Collie's Avatar Comment 16 by Border Collie

I hope this guy and Rob Hood get caught together in a hot tub ... he is no loss to the secular world ...
Sorry, 8teist, there is no end ... and, it seems to be expanding exponentially ...
Or maybe the Chinese buffet food I ate for dinner is making me hallucinate ...
Think I'll go take an antacid with a big glass of water ...

Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:23:00 UTC | #191296

amuck's Avatar Comment 18 by amuck

... and then of course there is a slightly different treatment of this idea by Philip Jose Farmer in his short story "J.C. on the Dude Ranch".

Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:27:00 UTC | #191302

perkyjay's Avatar Comment 17 by perkyjay

Oh....for christ's sake !

Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:27:00 UTC | #191301

mordacious1's Avatar Comment 19 by mordacious1

St. Francis describes our fellow creatures on earth as "brothers and sisters" so why not consider ET's as brothers?

Do we get to eat them too?

Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:31:00 UTC | #191308

PaulJ's Avatar Comment 20 by PaulJ

I find this article unbelievably parochial. It's as if a black curtain enveloped him at the moment of his conversion, stunting his imagination.

In any case, imagining that God selected a lowly stable for His cradle is no harder and no different than imagining God selected a lowly world for His cradle; the difference is only in the magnitude of what one's imagination can grasp.
Both these scenarios are equally unlikely.

Most of the article he's arguing against himself. He's pointing out the improbability of things on the scale of the universe, and comparing them to the improbability of aspects of Christian mythology. All this does is show how improbable the Christian myths are. The logical resolution of which is that they aren't true.

Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:35:00 UTC | #191310

8teist's Avatar Comment 21 by 8teist

Mord , it would be terribly rude if the aliens arrived and didn`t bring something to the party, a nice venusian chardonnay perhaps ,saturnalian shrimp , too much too ask ? I think not.

Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:48:00 UTC | #191312

BigJohn's Avatar Comment 22 by BigJohn

8teist -- There is no end to the stupidity. They will just keep on making stuff up to suit the latest scientific ideas.

Border Collie -- Take your antacid with a big glass of Vodka, it will be more effective. Well, the antacid won't, but, with a big enough glass of Vodka, who cares?

Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:48:00 UTC | #191313

HourglassMemory's Avatar Comment 23 by HourglassMemory

I actually feel awkward and stand in disbelief as I witness bronze age things, beliefs, dealing with 21st century issues.
It's so outlandish to me to see a mentality that belongs to the minds of cavern actually contribute. To be participating in the 21st Century. It's like an anomaly, to actually see something like Jesus and Sin, together with Extraterrestrial life and highly advanced techonlgies and Sscience.
And having it being listened to because it's talking about a Jesus character and sin and goes on with thought experiments that have awkwardly established themselves as "important thinking".

I literally feel disturbed.

I only say one thing. Once we establish some extraterrestrial colony, don't allow religion to be spouted about.
We have a chance of getting a new start, without religion, and with the benefit of modern scientific knowledge.
Don't let religion be at those places, or it'll ruin mankind for another 2000 years.
It's Religion and Nationalism that annoy me when it comes to space exploration and the expansion of human colonies. I'm tired of people having stupid boundaries and taking that mentality to the Moon or Mars. It's stupid and highly antiquated. We can do better than that. Screw the flags and the territories.
We're all humans. If you need a flag, have one with a man and a woman. Or the letter H(for human).

But keep these needless ancient mentalities out of people's(of the future) lives.

Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:49:00 UTC | #191314

decius's Avatar Comment 25 by decius

One who spent decades gazing the night sky with a respectable instrument, and all he has to show for it is this brain diarrhoea.

Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:53:00 UTC | #191316

mordacious1's Avatar Comment 24 by mordacious1

It suprises me that anyone would convert into the catholic church when people born catholic are leaving it in droves. He must have heard about the free sex with young boys.

Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:53:00 UTC | #191315

bubbaj30's Avatar Comment 26 by bubbaj30

I would laugh at this, but it just to retarded. Does this idiot not understand that any other race we may meet is virtually guaranteed to be far more advanced in technology and especially in THOUGHT!!!

Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:54:00 UTC | #191317

Nova's Avatar Comment 27 by Nova

John C Wright:

If the modern scientific account of how planets form and life begins were correct, we have every reason to believe the night sky would be ringing with the radio signals of hundreds and thousands and millions of technologically advanced civilisations. So far, we have heard not one peep.

Bullshit. They would be far too far apart. It's amazing this person actually misses such a basic scientific point about vast space distances, the speed of light and the strength of signals.

He's also an idiot because he thinks that science fiction writers are seeding their stories with religion whereas all that is happening is he is reading religion into the stories!

Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:55:00 UTC | #191320

Don_Quix's Avatar Comment 29 by Don_Quix

Given that it is extremely likely that any intelligent alien civilizations the human race encounters will be tremendously more technologically advanced than we are, I doubt any humans will be doing any converting. If anything, the aliens will be converting the poor backwards humans to their religion, and vaporizing those who resist.

Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:56:00 UTC | #191322

mordacious1's Avatar Comment 28 by mordacious1


You didn't read the whole thing, did you? I quit after a few paragraphs. It's awful.

Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:56:00 UTC | #191321

Alovrin's Avatar Comment 30 by Alovrin

Oh my giddy aunt...he's waxing lyrical at the climax.
Or is that polishing his.......

It is no cause for pride if Earth should turn out to be the only world where the Incarnation took place. God often selects the younger son, the poor fisherman, the tax-collector, the harlot and the sinner, the weakest and humblest things in the world to do his almighty work. Earth may have been selected because she is the lowest world in the galaxy, the cosmic equivalent of a stinking stable.

In any case, imagining that God selected a lowly stable for His cradle is no harder and no different than imagining God selected a lowly world for His cradle; the difference is only in the magnitude of what one's imagination can grasp.

Indeed, the larger and older the cosmos seems to get as modern science tells us more of its weird secrets, the larger and grander must, to the Christian imagination, seem the maker of all this glory.

...cosmic equivalent of a stinking stable?
Na, Im sure he thinks its his....
....magnitude of what one's imagination can grasp.
Althought it might be his...
...maker of all this glory.

Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:57:00 UTC | #191323