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TheGreatBZ's Avatar Comment 1 by TheGreatBZ

Why is the entire article in bold?

Fri, 04 Jul 2008 19:36:00 UTC | #194026

King of NH's Avatar Comment 2 by King of NH

"We're a Christian organisation so we believe that God made the planet and God made the cosmos ... Science takes a theory and tries to establish it as the truth, and that's all this is."


[fuming, smoke shooting out my ears]

A theory is not a guess! NOT A GUESS! Creationism, ID, are NOT theories; they are uneducated, unsupported, unreasearched, and disproven ideas with no realtion to truth.

Evolution has been established as truth by 150 years of intense research and scrutiny during which it has withstood every attack and predicted discoveries yet to be made even today.

Fri, 04 Jul 2008 19:41:00 UTC | #194027

Mbee's Avatar Comment 3 by Mbee


Here we go again.
OK Science requires some proof of assertions and conjecture relating to facts. Creationism and ID provide neither. They are NOT science. Keep them out of the classroom.
From what I have read on this and other sites most atheists would welcome evidence to support these ideas (not theories) if there was any! but until these goons can come up with something relating to evidence it is just their religious ideas - nothing else.

Evidence matters! Science requires evidence. Leave religion in the area of the supernatural for those who wish to fantasize.

Fri, 04 Jul 2008 19:46:00 UTC | #194029

8teist's Avatar Comment 4 by 8teist

Creationism isn`t even a guess its pure wishful fantasy.
Can`t see this flying here in NZ ,this is a week old and barely a mention, a feeble attempt to start controversy.
These pathetic fucktards can`t even whine properly,also the memory of the Christian Heritage Party is still fresh,pedophile scandal and all that.

Fri, 04 Jul 2008 19:50:00 UTC | #194031

OverUsedChewToy's Avatar Comment 6 by OverUsedChewToy

"The Education Ministry says the unsanctioned material does not breach the Education Act and there are no plans to ban its distribution. "

Then CHANGE THE FREAKING EDUCATION ACT.

And I thought my country was devoid of high-profile creotardism.

Fri, 04 Jul 2008 19:53:00 UTC | #194033

eclampusvitus's Avatar Comment 5 by eclampusvitus

Focus on the Family is an immoral organization that prefers cervical cancer to immunization.

It appears their "thinking" is that immunization against cervical cancer and other results of Human Papillovirus infection leads to *gasp* premarital sex.

http://scienceblogs.com/purepedantry/2006/06/focus_on_the_family_opposes_hp_1.php

The primitive evil that this group represents is precisely the wickedness against which we have found the spine to resist.

"Death before dishonor" is a fine motto for the Marines. It is not a philosophy to be thrust onto normal young women.

ECV

Fri, 04 Jul 2008 19:53:00 UTC | #194032

mordacious1's Avatar Comment 7 by mordacious1

These guys just don't give up, nothing better to do I guess. Anyone know how to undo the bold, I don't want it to seem like I'm screaming.

Fri, 04 Jul 2008 19:55:00 UTC | #194034

8teist's Avatar Comment 8 by 8teist

I`M NOT SCREAMING........................YET

Fri, 04 Jul 2008 19:58:00 UTC | #194035

Goldy's Avatar Comment 9 by Goldy

Hmmmm, what a scary thought. Haven't read this in the Herald yet...but I guess soon...

Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:03:00 UTC | #194039

flibble's Avatar Comment 10 by flibble

The comments thread underneath this (in the original linked article), has either been the subject of a concerted attack by a cretinist group, or NZ is chock full of nutjobs.

Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:05:00 UTC | #194041

8teist's Avatar Comment 11 by 8teist

Ha Goldy, I went cold turkey on the herald then realised I had nothing to start the fire with in the evening,so I had to start buying it again.

Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:07:00 UTC | #194042

mordacious1's Avatar Comment 12 by mordacious1

You know with all the links from the UK and NZ lately, it seems like you guys have more crazies than we do. But don't worry, ours still outnumber yours. The cretins here are just busy praying at gas stations so they can fill up their SUV's.

I said quietly, with no bolds intended.

Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:07:00 UTC | #194043

mordacious1's Avatar Comment 13 by mordacious1

Our local school district received a donation of dictionaries, regular dictionaries, from a local church. They refused the donation because there was a stamp in the front stating: "Donated by the such and such church". That's all it took for them to be sent back. I was very proud of them.

Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:13:00 UTC | #194045

thewhitepearl's Avatar Comment 14 by thewhitepearl

"the universe is to perfect.."

NO...NO it's not.

"to an alterative theory of cosmology."

Goddidit.

What possible "curriculum" can they have? What's to explain? goddidit in 6 days. somehow he managed to measure the first four days without light, because hes god.

end of story.

so ridiculous.

Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:14:00 UTC | #194046

mordacious1's Avatar Comment 15 by mordacious1

It's not so perfect, some people still misspell "too".

Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:22:00 UTC | #194052

shaunfletcher's Avatar Comment 16 by shaunfletcher

I plan to start a letter campaign to school heads in the Auckland region, seeking assurance from them that this material will see the inside of a wastepaper bin on arrival, as it must.

Actually I shall enlist a relative (mother of 3) as the nominal letter writer, as being a parent of children in the system she stands much more chance of being responded to.

Hopefully the response will be sufficient to quell my concerns.

Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:32:00 UTC | #194054

moderndaythomas's Avatar Comment 17 by moderndaythomas

We're a Christian organisation so we believe that God made the planet and God made the cosmos


How exactly? Exactly!

Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:32:00 UTC | #194055

8teist's Avatar Comment 18 by 8teist

mdt, dog speaked it into existed ,all the rest got pulled out his arse.

Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:35:00 UTC | #194056

MelM's Avatar Comment 19 by MelM

Religion isn't a theory; it's a fantasy. Holy men are not intellectuals; they're crackpots who've corrupted the functioning of their own minds.

Passing out the idea that creationism is a "theory" also promotes the idea that theories are just arbitrary assertions--in itself, a corruption of rationality and science in the minds of the holy men's victims. Promoting creationism to the status of a theory is a serious problem; it will destroy the concepts of science and reason.

Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:46:00 UTC | #194060

MelM's Avatar Comment 20 by MelM

Maybe a scientific association in NZ could help by sending out a mailer informing the schools that what's coming from Focus On The Family is puke and should be thrown in the trash.

Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:56:00 UTC | #194064

hmcook87's Avatar Comment 21 by hmcook87

I really thought New Zealand was free from all that creationist nonsense, but to see those commenters on stuff.co.nz parroting creationist talking points straight from Answers in Genesis, was really sad. There seemed to be a lot more pro ID comments than pro science comments. I would have expected it to be the other way around. NZ is about 50% religious, but I thought the vast majority of religious people here subscribed to the "God's way of doing things" style of evolution. ID propaganda seems to have the unfortunate effect of pulling moderate christians off the fence, in the wrong direction. The whole "Gods way of doing things" view exists so that christians can reconcile what they know from science with what they believe, but with ID pretending that science actually suports a biblical creation model, christians who don't know much about science will find it quite attractive.

Fri, 04 Jul 2008 21:10:00 UTC | #194066

Goldy's Avatar Comment 22 by Goldy

Fuck it, I'm sending my daughter to China if this gets any worse!
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Fri, 04 Jul 2008 21:18:00 UTC | #194067

GoodbyeGodNZ's Avatar Comment 23 by GoodbyeGodNZ

Don't worry too much guys, this Focus on the Family turkey Tim Sisarich got totally carved up by Waikato University biological sciences senior lecturer Alison Campbell on NZ National radio on Tuesday morning. Link below.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/__data/assets/audio_item/0009/1621368/ntn-20080701-1130-Creation_vs_Evolution_in_Schools-wmbr.asx

I sent Alison an email congratulating her on her good work and she replied thanking me for the feedback and assured that she would be keeping the hammer down on challenging these sorts of things.

This Focus on the Family guy is a real turkey and knows nothing about science whatsoever, as is normally the case with these sorts, he is just a pathetic faithhead.

As Doctor Campbell mentions in the discussion, the author of The Privileged Planet material is shadey .....???

Well that seems to be a diplomatic way of putting it. Have a look at Guillermo Gonzalez on Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillermo_Gonzalez_(astronomer). He is really shonkey!

Fri, 04 Jul 2008 21:34:00 UTC | #194074

dragonfirematrix's Avatar Comment 24 by dragonfirematrix

The science of the religious is nothing but hocus pocus, and hocus-pocus is fraud.

Conservatives (Christian zealots) support hocus-pocus over truth.

WHY DO FREEDOM LOVING PEOPLE TOLERATE THE RELIGIOUS?

Fri, 04 Jul 2008 21:36:00 UTC | #194076

Goldy's Avatar Comment 25 by Goldy

GoodbyeGodNZ - thanks! That makes up more than enough for that other comment made a while ago - more than made up for that! You're in credit now :-)
Good job too - my punishment was to force you to take me to Galbraiths in Auckland and buy me beer til I fell on the floor. Hate to say it, but I appear to be able to drink a lot more than is healthy...
;-D

Fri, 04 Jul 2008 21:42:00 UTC | #194078

LeeC's Avatar Comment 26 by LeeC

GoodbyeGodNZ wrote:
Well that seems to be a diplomatic way of putting it. Have a look at Guillermo Gonzalez on Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillermo_Gonzalez_(astronomer). He is really shonkey!

Guillermo is a joke... you only need to read the introduction to his book to see the holes his ideas. You can find it on google books if you need a laugh.

The 'logic' used is along the lines of "We are here, here is good, therefore God"

Rubbish.

Lee

Fri, 04 Jul 2008 22:24:00 UTC | #194084

Laurie Fraser's Avatar Comment 27 by Laurie Fraser

What's happening to my comrades across the ditch? Goldy, 8teist, GGNZ - get out there and start laying into these lunatics with your heavyweight brains.

BTW, have you had any more trouble with those evil Brethren fucktards?

Just to get you in the mood, can I mention underarm bowling? *Ducks*

Fri, 04 Jul 2008 22:24:00 UTC | #194085

LeeC's Avatar Comment 28 by LeeC

Just to get you in the mood, can I mention underarm bowling? *Ducks*

Now that just wasn't cricket :)

Lee

Fri, 04 Jul 2008 22:26:00 UTC | #194086

Laurie Fraser's Avatar Comment 29 by Laurie Fraser

Hi Brian,
You bet. But I thought it had been renamed "The World's Biggest T-Shirt Contest"

There are a few good actions planned for it, including an atheist's march from Taylor Square on July 19.

Fri, 04 Jul 2008 22:34:00 UTC | #194088

Dr Doctor's Avatar Comment 30 by Dr Doctor

Yet more proof that NOMA is a one way street.

Fri, 04 Jul 2008 23:04:00 UTC | #194093