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SimplyIrresponsible's Avatar Comment 1 by SimplyIrresponsible

What's next to encourage attendance? Liquor? Sex? Drugs?

I believe Lewis Black said it best, "These people are Stone-cold Fuck Nuts."

Sun, 13 Jul 2008 10:16:00 UTC | #199053

Negasta's Avatar Comment 2 by Negasta

I fully support the right of free people to own guns, but this is just crazy.

Giving away an assault weapon to teenagers is just stupid and does nothing but damage the cause of responsible gun owners/advocates.

Sun, 13 Jul 2008 10:20:00 UTC | #199056

fontor's Avatar Comment 3 by fontor

Who would Jesus blow away?

I used to think the phrase "Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition" was a crude caricature. No longer.

Sun, 13 Jul 2008 10:21:00 UTC | #199057

Village_Idiot's Avatar Comment 4 by Village_Idiot

The church's youth pastor, Bob Ross, said it's a way of trying to encourage young people to attend the event.


By giving away a semiautomatic assault rifle and a license to kill in the name of Jesus? Someone pinch me! Am I dreaming or this is XXI century?

Sun, 13 Jul 2008 10:25:00 UTC | #199058

SimplyIrresponsible's Avatar Comment 5 by SimplyIrresponsible

Perhaps I am wrong but I do see a glimmer of hope in today's youth from this story. It seems the message of Christianity alone is not strong enough to get them to attend and so the promoters of such events must rely on gimmicks (as if Christianity weren't gimmick enough in and of itself) to get the people in the pews.

Sun, 13 Jul 2008 10:34:00 UTC | #199059

decius's Avatar Comment 6 by decius

Not really surprising, it's absolutely in line with baptist doctrine.

Sun, 13 Jul 2008 10:38:00 UTC | #199060

Tenochtitlan's Avatar Comment 7 by Tenochtitlan

Guns and religion, you just can't make this stuff up.

Sun, 13 Jul 2008 10:39:00 UTC | #199061

rod-the-farmer's Avatar Comment 8 by rod-the-farmer

Giving away a semi-automatic rifle.....the mind boggles. Whatever happened to s jacket with a sport team logo ? Or maybe some music CD's, or a gift certificate for a clothing store ? And a CHURCH did this. What sort of kids did they think would be attracted to such an offer, that they would not reach with a chance to win a nice jacket ? And the only reason this did NOT happen was that a key person was unable to attend. Does this mean this sort of thing has gone on before, and it just never became public news ? Only in the Excited States of America.

Edit - What do you think would happen if this was an Amish gathering ?

Sun, 13 Jul 2008 10:40:00 UTC | #199062

Alkal's Avatar Comment 9 by Alkal

Yeah, that is just what we need, immature people, who believe in a sky-fairy, equipped with guns.

Sun, 13 Jul 2008 10:41:00 UTC | #199063

mordacious1's Avatar Comment 10 by mordacious1

With a muslim under every rock and an atheist around every corner, it doesn't hurt to be prepared.

Sun, 13 Jul 2008 10:45:00 UTC | #199064

Jaz's Avatar Comment 11 by Jaz

Negasta,
Yeh, I fully support the right for people to own guns too. I wouldn't stop there, people should have the "right" to own bombs, grenades, etc or any lethal weapon

Sun, 13 Jul 2008 10:49:00 UTC | #199067

Colwyn Abernathy's Avatar Comment 12 by Colwyn Abernathy

"We have 21 hours of preaching and teaching throughout the week," Ross said.


Yeah, kids aren't gonna want to show up to sit through all that, even for a bitchin' semi-auto carbine. Wait...WAS it a carbine? That MIGHT be worth it. I'd go just to spout Epicurius at 'em. ;)


EDIT:
Edit - What do you think would happen if this was an Amish gathering ?


They'd've whittled the gun themselves out of oak, or ash, prolly would've looked nicer.

Sun, 13 Jul 2008 10:55:00 UTC | #199073

Notcrowingbutyawning's Avatar Comment 13 by Notcrowingbutyawning

I just wonder how this particular church would view a similiar promotion by some other religion.

Sun, 13 Jul 2008 10:56:00 UTC | #199076

Village_Idiot's Avatar Comment 14 by Village_Idiot

Negasta, you fully support the right of FREE people to own guns.


1. What do you mean FREE?
2. Do YOU have a gun?

Sun, 13 Jul 2008 10:59:00 UTC | #199079

Colwyn Abernathy's Avatar Comment 15 by Colwyn Abernathy

Village,

I do. ;) Does that count?

Sun, 13 Jul 2008 11:01:00 UTC | #199084

Negasta's Avatar Comment 16 by Negasta

"1. What do you mean FREE?
2. Do YOU have a gun?"

1. Free People = Citizens that have not been convicted of a violent crime and do not suffer from a psychological disorder predisposing them to violence.

2. Unfortunately I do not have a private fire arm because I do not have the time or money to jump through the hoops the South African Government has put in place of prospective gun owners.

Sun, 13 Jul 2008 11:05:00 UTC | #199089

Border Collie's Avatar Comment 17 by Border Collie

Hey, it IS Oklahoma and it IS a Baptist Church afterall. You Euros are expecting WAY too much from the colonies.

Sun, 13 Jul 2008 11:07:00 UTC | #199090

Village_Idiot's Avatar Comment 18 by Village_Idiot

Colwyn Abernathy, it does not unless you have a big SUV and a motorcycle with no muffler...

Sun, 13 Jul 2008 11:10:00 UTC | #199092

mordacious1's Avatar Comment 19 by mordacious1

When you click on the video link for the news broadcast, you have to listen to a mastercharge commercial.

Better might have been: "Going to church to learn religious bullshit...free".
"Believing that your soul will spend eternity with god in heaven, while all your neighbors burn in hell...also free".
"Winning an AR-15 semi-automatic assault rifle, so you can send your neighbors to hell sooner...PRICELESS".

Sun, 13 Jul 2008 11:13:00 UTC | #199094

Colwyn Abernathy's Avatar Comment 20 by Colwyn Abernathy

Village,

Can't say I do, no. I got a Tippman Custom 98, tho. Paintball: the closest to actual firearm combat you can get without getting fragged...literally. ;)

EDIT:

Mord...that was friggin' hilarious. I approve of your ridicule. ;)

Sun, 13 Jul 2008 11:17:00 UTC | #199097

Jaz's Avatar Comment 21 by Jaz

Negasta,
How obsurd. You imply that everyone who hasn't commited a violent crime or has a known psychological condition isn't capable of gun mis-use??
I'm sorry but there is absolutely no defence whatsoever for gun legalisation.

Sun, 13 Jul 2008 11:18:00 UTC | #199098

Colwyn Abernathy's Avatar Comment 22 by Colwyn Abernathy

I'm sorry but there is absolutely no defence whatsoever for gun legalisation.


How about having the right to rise up and depose a government gone amok? The first freedom dictators revoke is the right to arm bears...

...wait.

Sun, 13 Jul 2008 11:21:00 UTC | #199101

decius's Avatar Comment 23 by decius

Comment #209833 by Negasta

Citizens that have not been convicted of a violent crime and do not suffer from a psychological disorder predisposing them to violence.


There are a few problems right there.

-The fact that one hasn't been convicted isn't guarantee that one won't turn to crime later in life, particularly with low age limits for gun ownership.

-Psychological evaluations are very difficult and expensive. Who should foot the bill? Again, there is no guarantee that conditions won't develop later in life.

-Ire and rage can temporarily blind people, how they will react under certain hormonal tempests doesn't show in normal circumstances (i.e. during evaluation). A gun on hand may turn a verbal dispute into a tragedy.

-Multiple lines of evidence show that possession of firearms is more likely to cause social problems than solve them.

Sun, 13 Jul 2008 11:22:00 UTC | #199102

mordacious1's Avatar Comment 24 by mordacious1

Border

Oklahoma is a little too far west to have been a colony.

Sun, 13 Jul 2008 11:23:00 UTC | #199105

Village_Idiot's Avatar Comment 25 by Village_Idiot

Jaz:

I'm sorry but there is absolutely no defence whatsoever for gun legalization.


You're right unless one lives next to a lion nest with some unhatched eggs...

Sun, 13 Jul 2008 11:24:00 UTC | #199106

Colwyn Abernathy's Avatar Comment 26 by Colwyn Abernathy

A gun on hand may turn a verbal dispute into a tragedy.


So can a bat, steak knife, chair, or TV. If you REALLY want to kill your husband, the presence of a gun won't make that much of a difference.

EDIT:
Multiple lines of evidence show that the possession of firearms is more likely to cause social problems than solve them.


Evidence also shows that an armed community has a lower crime rate. Makes the bad guys think twice about mugging someone. Banning guns won't keep them out of the hands of said bad guys, either, just those responsible citizens who MAY want to keep the playing field level.

Sun, 13 Jul 2008 11:26:00 UTC | #199107

Colwyn Abernathy's Avatar Comment 27 by Colwyn Abernathy

You're right unless one lives next to a lion nest with some unhatched eggs...



Uh...non sequitur? Totally lost me...

Sun, 13 Jul 2008 11:27:00 UTC | #199108

catskill's Avatar Comment 28 by catskill

A week of preaching and "teaching" is a lot scarier than a gun prize to me. Its not like they were in NYC. In Oklahoma guns are everywhere, and whomever would have won the gun probably already has access to firearms.

Sun, 13 Jul 2008 11:29:00 UTC | #199109

Jaz's Avatar Comment 29 by Jaz

That's a good point village.

p.s. Like the avatar by the way. The Simpsons writers use Homer brilliantly to "dis-arm" religion. It's like, if Homer can see through it, then what does that say about the rest!!

Sun, 13 Jul 2008 11:30:00 UTC | #199110

mordacious1's Avatar Comment 30 by mordacious1

Colwyn

He lost me too.

As far a gun legislation goes, how about:

In the U.S., over three thousand children and teens are killed by guns each year. Not exactly a reason to hand out more guns to them, is it? Of course one could argue that my kid needs a gun to protect himself from the kid next door, who just won a gun at church.

Sun, 13 Jul 2008 11:32:00 UTC | #199112