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dom1234's Avatar Comment 1 by dom1234

Islamists should forgot about ads in New-York for a few decades.

And right during 9/11 anniversary, weird coincidence. They should put an atheist ad: Imagine no religion.

Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:01:00 UTC | #204859

Sage's Avatar Comment 2 by Sage

Bit pointless really, where do they come up with the money for all this?

Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:02:00 UTC | #204861

Goldy's Avatar Comment 3 by Goldy

I suppose it is a good time to explore the religion - most people have only heard things about it.
Of course, one must also put in the seamier side of Islam - stoning, misyar weddings (or their equivalent other names), etc. I'd also mention the superstition and idiocy of some aspects (like http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7520149.stm) but it's not like other religions don't have the same.
Oh yeah, lets not forget the tolerance of the Islamic adherents.

Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:07:00 UTC | #204863

Fire1974's Avatar Comment 4 by Fire1974

Perhaps they should run some cartoon images depicting a cute and cuddly Muhammad character being nice to people?

Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:07:00 UTC | #204864

info_dump's Avatar Comment 5 by info_dump

I say let them advertise. They're entitled to their superstitions, and they should be allowed to promote them, just as we should be allowed to speak out against them.

I'd also love to see more anti-religion ads out there, along the lines of the "Imagine No Religion" billboards.

Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:14:00 UTC | #204868

thewhitepearl's Avatar Comment 6 by thewhitepearl

I wonder what the uproar would be if the atheist community tried the same thing.

Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:17:00 UTC | #204872

catskill's Avatar Comment 7 by catskill

I am actually somewhat surprised that there has not been any backlash against Muslims in NYC. It shows that New Yorkers are a tolerant bunch. Still, I can see these ads getting defaced if they are put up. Especially after the media coverage.

Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:25:00 UTC | #204877

gyokusai's Avatar Comment 8 by gyokusai

thewhitepearl sez:
I wonder what the uproar would be if the atheist community tried the same thing.


So true.

^_^J.

Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:29:00 UTC | #204881

WilliamP's Avatar Comment 9 by WilliamP

How does a religion advertise? It sounds a bit ridiculous to me.

Have you ever wanted to walk around town with your head covered, even on hot days? Do you want to live a sexually repressed lifestyle? Want to give up alcohol and pork? Looking to prostrate yourself on a rug five times daily? If you said yes, then we have the right set of irrational beliefs for you!

Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:34:00 UTC | #204883

gyokusai's Avatar Comment 10 by gyokusai

And, come to think of it, this New York Post piece is sheer demagogic garbage.

I remember dimly a time when this newspaper had quite a decent rep. As of now, it's a piece of shit.

^_^J.

Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:36:00 UTC | #204884

Village_Idiot's Avatar Comment 11 by Village_Idiot

"You deserve to know" along with the Web site address www.WhyIslam.org on the other side.


The website, www.whyislam.org, is running an ad: THE COLLAPSE OF DARWINISM AND THE FACT OF CREATION. Essentially the subway campaign would advertise Creationism. Nothing less nothing more. I feel nauseous, it is happening right under my nose.

Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:51:00 UTC | #204890

Agrajag's Avatar Comment 12 by Agrajag

9. Comment #216000 by WilliamP on July 22, 2008 at 4:34 pm
How does a religion advertise? It sounds a bit ridiculous to me.

Have you ever wanted to walk around town with your head covered, even on hot days? Do you want to live a sexually repressed lifestyle? Want to give up alcohol and pork? Looking to prostrate yourself on a rug five times daily? If you said yes, then we have the right set of irrational beliefs for you!

Be fair: you have not mentioned the fabulous rewards program! :-)
Ste5e

Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:54:00 UTC | #204894

b0ltzm0n's Avatar Comment 13 by b0ltzm0n

I wonder how much it would cost for us to get some Imagine No Religion posters put up in the subway.

http://www.atheistsunited.org/images/ImagineNoReligion.jpg

If RD started a fund for it I'd gladly donate.

Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:03:00 UTC | #204901

PristinePanda's Avatar Comment 14 by PristinePanda

Even better, New Yorkers should plaster ads selling copies of Salman Rushdie's depictions of Mohammad all over town.

The former site of the WTC should have a fifty story statue of Mohammad in a suicide vest with the words "IMAGINE NO RELIGION" printed on it while wearing a dunce cap and a copy of the Koran partially lodged in his rear.

Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:10:00 UTC | #204911

aquilacane's Avatar Comment 15 by aquilacane

I propose that we dub September International month of no religion. In this month, we live as if there were no religions at all, we pay them no respect, attention, or acknowledgment. If someone asks you if you believe in god, you just look at them funny and inquire as to what the hell they are talking about. When they explain, laugh, look at them evem funnier, ask if they are serious, and walk away (assuming you don't already)

Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:14:00 UTC | #204912

HolyRusk's Avatar Comment 16 by HolyRusk

And with a link on the front page to an article on Harun Yahya ("Muslim creationist preaches Islam and awaits Christ") you can expect a fair and balanced view of the world presented on this website. Kinda like fox news reporting on evolutionary biology.

Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:40:00 UTC | #204933

Dhamma's Avatar Comment 17 by Dhamma

Boltz: I was thinking the same when I read the article. The very picture you posted would be really powerful. I think it would be far better than the lady that wanted the pathetic ad on the buses in London.

Should we contact Josh on this matter? Never wrong doing something constructive for once.

Really, that picture was so strong. And with a link to RD.net... Touche!

(the apostrophe over the e looked all weird. Why do I use Linux???)

Btw: These subway-companies must be making shitloads on ads! Is the actual driving of the trains just an excuse to sell ads? :)

Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:41:00 UTC | #204934

rod-the-farmer's Avatar Comment 18 by rod-the-farmer

How about another enticement....

"Join OUR group, and if anyone tries to leave, YOU get to KILL them".

Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:59:00 UTC | #204950

thewhitepearl's Avatar Comment 19 by thewhitepearl

Should we contact Josh on this matter? Never wrong doing something constructive for once.


I'm all for it. Like B0ltz said, if RD started a fund I would donate to it also. Perhaps we should all get in contact with local atheist groups and start a fund in each major city. Ads for the subway, or any public transportation,(In Dallas DART would have to suffice) billboards..etc..

If we were to do something like that locally amongst ourselves, who would we go to for permission?

Tue, 22 Jul 2008 17:10:00 UTC | #204961

WilliamP's Avatar Comment 20 by WilliamP

steveroot-

Sorry, but if I mentioned the rewards program, I would also have to include a lengthy disclaimer:

Answering of prayers not garaunteed. Heaven reserves the right to deny entry for any reason, including but not limited to its own non-existence. Allah disclaims all warranties on the quality, skill, and gender of any virgins recieved in exchange for martyrdom....

Tue, 22 Jul 2008 17:14:00 UTC | #204963

Rettet181's Avatar Comment 21 by Rettet181

The website www.whyislam.org has an ad saying the following:


The Collapse of Darwinism
The Fact of Creation
Scientific discoveries refute Darwin's theory of evolution. Learn the facts in this film.


Great.

Tue, 22 Jul 2008 17:28:00 UTC | #204967

Ed-words's Avatar Comment 22 by Ed-words

Of course they'll be defaced, as would be atheist ads.

But atheist BILLBOARDS are being put up in the

Repub. and Dem. convention cities by FFRF

saying, "KEEP RELIGION OUT OF POLITICS!"

Tue, 22 Jul 2008 17:39:00 UTC | #204973

kkelly's Avatar Comment 23 by kkelly

Really not a big deal. It's actually pretty apt that people associate islam with the stench of 1,000 homeless peoples' urine.

Tue, 22 Jul 2008 17:48:00 UTC | #204978

rod-the-farmer's Avatar Comment 24 by rod-the-farmer

I just watched the movie refuting evolution on the whyislam site. An expensive, professionally-done movie assembled out of quote-mining, half-truths and outright falsehoods. Even a lesser light such as myself would have no trouble refuting this in front of an audience. I suggest anyone intending to watch it have pen & paper ready to make notes on all the garbage "facts". Plus it has the usual conflation of abiogenesis with evolution. Sigh.

I did have one thought though. Maybe we start telling the U.S. school boards that muslims are opposed to teaching evolution. Now THAT might get them thinking.

Tue, 22 Jul 2008 17:50:00 UTC | #204980

Agrajag's Avatar Comment 25 by Agrajag

11. Comment #216007 by Village_Idiot on July 22, 2008 at 4:51 pm

The website, www.whyislam.org, is running an ad: THE COLLAPSE OF DARWINISM AND THE FACT OF CREATION.

On this site, under the heading "Scientific Accuracy of Quran" is the following:

The above evidence shows that the Qur'an must be from God as it claims. The Qur'an says that you and every human being should consider this book with care. Had it been from anyone other than God, you would have found much discrepancy in it (4:82).

(Source: http://www.whyislam.org/877/Just_a_Minute/Quran_Accuracy.asp)

Well, there it is! I'm converting now.
*Comes to senses, looks for Irate's commentary*
Ste5e

Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:03:00 UTC | #204986

GordonYKWong's Avatar Comment 26 by GordonYKWong

"What I was saying is that not all the FBI or CIA are terrorists, but there are some elements in there," he said.
Oh the irony, it burns...

"So if you want to accuse some Muslims [of being terrorists], OK. These Muslims did that, but don't undermine the entire faith. That's what the message is."
There is no doubt Islam is having some serious PR issues, but why don't you clean up your house first (gender inequality, human rights violations, extremism) before embarking on "proselytizing the faith".

Heck, this is even before calling the truthfulness of your faith into question.

What would really help on all fronts, is if Muhammed could come out of retirement and descend down on Time Square on a flying stallion to spread the faith (I hope the horsey is toilet trained though, it won't good publicity if some New Yorker is covered in dung during the sermon).

Maybe Allah can run a direct telemarketing campaign to the citizens of New York. That could be fun to see.

Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:11:00 UTC | #204994

Drool's Avatar Comment 27 by Drool

More drivel by Harun Yahya on that very site: whyislam.org/877/Modern_Science/Fall_of_Atheism.asp

(I figure you can copy and paste the URL into the browser address bar yourself, a proper link will only help their google index.)

Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:24:00 UTC | #205006

Christopher Davis's Avatar Comment 28 by Christopher Davis

"...but really setting a standard and defining what mainstream Islam stands for," Latif said.---article


Mainstream Islam? I think, since 15-20% of Muslims are extreme radicals who work day and night to kill those who don't agree with their particular interpretation of the Koran, and another 75-80% of Muslims, although not actually participating in the violence, just shrug their shoulders and think "WTF do they expect, they're infindels?", that you are a little fucking deluded if you believe that "mainstream Islam" stands for anything worthwhile.

The "mainstream of Islam" is the violence and barbarism that 90-95% of Muslims advocate either through direct action or apathy. The 5-10% that would like to make Islam something more noble are the outliers. And if I had to guess, the majority of the outliers are just politically expedient bullshit artists.

Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:27:00 UTC | #205010

Hellene's Avatar Comment 29 by Hellene

by rod-the-farmer

".....An expensive, professionally-done movie....."


In reference to the whyislam anti-evolution movie.

Not really that expensive. All stills. Either from stock footage or ripped from the internet. Canned music. The Voice Over at about $50/hour. Editing, some Photoshop work. Certainly slick, and timed to music. It has the outward appearance of being "authoritative". But put it up against the "Planet Earth" series....

Not busting your chops rod-the-farmer.

Just pointing out that it seems mightier than it is.

Of course you and I know it's BS.

But what made me raise an eyebrow was that they seemed to be using ID talking points.

And that bothers me for some reason.

Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:31:00 UTC | #205014

quill's Avatar Comment 30 by quill

It's just such a bad publicity strategy, advertising in a subway tunnel of all places, and on the anniversary of September 11. I don't think it should be censored, but what do they think they're going to achieve?

Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:38:00 UTC | #205019