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beanson's Avatar Comment 1 by beanson

Makes one wonder if we live in the 21st century after all, what with all this host-desecration-hysteria going down

Sat, 26 Jul 2008 08:15:00 UTC | #207715

Thomas Byrne's Avatar Comment 2 by Thomas Byrne

What is wrong with Americans and their stupid over the topness? I live in Ireland and I've never seen Catholics this bad. Is it because there's more competition on the market or something?

Like Frank Carson would say, "It's a cracker."

Sat, 26 Jul 2008 08:18:00 UTC | #207716

Dr Doctor's Avatar Comment 3 by Dr Doctor

The Catholic League has been taking lessons from the Church of Scientology.

Sat, 26 Jul 2008 08:21:00 UTC | #207717

Thomas Byrne's Avatar Comment 4 by Thomas Byrne

Or Fred Phelps and his bunch of eejits.

Sat, 26 Jul 2008 08:24:00 UTC | #207720

mjwemdee's Avatar Comment 5 by mjwemdee

Launched: one incandescent volley at President Hitt.

Sat, 26 Jul 2008 08:35:00 UTC | #207725

Dr Doctor's Avatar Comment 6 by Dr Doctor

All that needs to happen is for the University to be aware that the process is being watched internationally. Then they will have to dot the is and cross the ts.

Sat, 26 Jul 2008 08:38:00 UTC | #207726

DoctorE's Avatar Comment 7 by DoctorE

If i assume god exists just for a moment, then i wonder why catholics can't see that they are dragging their god through the sewers like a dead rotten rat on a string.

Sat, 26 Jul 2008 08:56:00 UTC | #207732

Gynwer's Avatar Comment 8 by Gynwer

Launched: one American nuclear missile ... I mean ... one firm but polite mail ... from the Ardennes in Belgium (forgive me the mistake, both are available here :-).

Sat, 26 Jul 2008 09:03:00 UTC | #207734

onanyes's Avatar Comment 9 by onanyes

My goodness. I caught a student cheating on a final exam and all she got was an F for the course and a "don't do that again" letter from the administration.

This is beyond absurd, and at a state run university at that! In the United States, we are supposed to have separation of church and state.

Sat, 26 Jul 2008 09:23:00 UTC | #207739

kkelly's Avatar Comment 10 by kkelly

That tears it. Next time I'm at a catholic mass I'm going to grab the cup of wafers and throw them around like confetti, I don't care if in all probability I would be in the church for a funeral.

2, "What is wrong with Americans and their stupid over the topness? I live in Ireland and I've never seen Catholics this bad."

are you making a joke? good one.

Sat, 26 Jul 2008 09:32:00 UTC | #207741

ingodwerust's Avatar Comment 11 by ingodwerust

Seriously, just what the fuck is going on in America? This is the country of Paine, Ingersoll and Stanton - just what would they think if they knew that the battles they fought are still not won.

Sat, 26 Jul 2008 09:35:00 UTC | #207744

Border Collie's Avatar Comment 12 by Border Collie

Is UCF a specifically Catholic university? If so, let 'em have it. Get the 'uck out and go to a state school. If it is a state school, what in the 'uck are they doing enforcing Catholic doctrine?

Sat, 26 Jul 2008 09:45:00 UTC | #207745

doubtingfoo's Avatar Comment 13 by doubtingfoo

Nope, it is a state run school...

Sat, 26 Jul 2008 09:49:00 UTC | #207746

catskill's Avatar Comment 14 by catskill

Well if the school is going to punish these students, I suggest that any letter writing include a link to the FSM pages, and a DEMAND that pasta of any kind not be served ANYWHERE on campus, unless it is to those who profess knowledge and worship of thine holiness, the FSM.

edit - I just cannot believe that in our modern society a state funded school would knowingly provide our most holy sacrament, pasta, to heathens who blasphemy our most sacred foodstuffs. By not providing the proper respect and rituals they are disgracing what we consider most holy of all!

edit2- typo

Sat, 26 Jul 2008 10:02:00 UTC | #207750

WilliamP's Avatar Comment 15 by WilliamP

UCF is treading in some dangerous territory here. The school is apparently state-run, and is coming close to running afoul of the US constitution's garauntee of free expression. The governement simply cannot punish people for expressing ideas, even if the expression is in the form of an action. The student involved claims that his action was a means of expression- protesting a university policy. It looks like he will be able to establish this in court too.

The school should just stop listening to the Catholic League. This is a losing battle, unless they can find some other reason to expell the student unrelated to the incident.

Sat, 26 Jul 2008 10:06:00 UTC | #207754

kkelly's Avatar Comment 16 by kkelly

15, yeah it's weird. The Catholic Campus Ministries "filed charges"... Campus groups are supposed to only have pretend power, it keeps them happy and they often don't know the difference.

Sat, 26 Jul 2008 10:28:00 UTC | #207762

catskill's Avatar Comment 17 by catskill

I have been looking over the UCF student handbook at and I am not convinced that an individual acting disrespectfully to an entire organization can be considered a violation except in the most broad terms.

It seems to me that for every argument that could be made to show a violation by the student, there would easily be an equal argument made to show the student was harassed. Harassment is a much clearer violation of the code of conduct.

Sat, 26 Jul 2008 10:48:00 UTC | #207768

GBile's Avatar Comment 18 by GBile

The Catholic Campus Ministries "filed charges" ...

From their associations website:

Attend CCMA's Transform Retreat Be Still...

The Transform Retreat will provide you with a renewal experience like no other! Come, be still, listen and refresh yourself with inspirational presentations, ample free time for mediation, labyrinth walks and experiencing nature, and socializing with other campus ministers. Wellness is promoted at the Franciscan Retreat Center by their beautiful grounds, the spiritual, peaceful atmosphere, comfortable accommodations and nutritious food. Hot stone massages ($65 for 60 minutes) and personal spiritual direction are available upon request. Come and visit the beautiful views of Mount Cedar, Mount St. Francis, and the Rampart Range of the Rockies. The Franciscan Sisters value nature and boast many deer sightings on the property. Events begin Tuesday, August 5 with registration at 3 p.m. and the retreat concludes Friday, August 8 at 2 p.m. after closing prayer. Registration for the retreat is $375 for members, single occupancy, $365 for members, double occupancy; for non-members registration is $395 single and $385 double occupancy. For more information, contact Michelle Gundrum at Online registration is available now. Come and join us!

'Hot Stone Massages' indeed ! Along with 'Stake burning' and 'Brimstone tossing', no doubt.

Dear UCF, do the right thing. Offer your students 'education', not 'indoctrination'.

Sat, 26 Jul 2008 11:41:00 UTC | #207794

croatcat's Avatar Comment 19 by croatcat

Wouldn't these actions be kin to a theocracy? I suppose the students just missed the memo announcing Florida's move to religious myth rule.

Sat, 26 Jul 2008 11:58:00 UTC | #207798

MelM's Avatar Comment 20 by MelM

Looking at its Wikipedia page and at the State of Florida site, I find that UCF is a huge public, State of Florida, secular school.

Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:03:00 UTC | #207800

Richard Dawkins's Avatar Comment 21 by Richard Dawkins

Letter to President, University of Central Florida

Dear President Hitt

I have read of the ludicrous campaign by Catholic lobbyists to victimize a young man, Webster Cook, because he walked off with a wafer. Their grasp of reality is so tenuous that they are unable to tell the difference between a wafer and Jesus! Either they really think the wafer becomes Jesus when blessed, in which case they are idiots. Or they don't, in which case they are hysterical hypocrites. Either way, they deserve to be insulted. I don't know whether Webster really did insult them, but I certainly would have done, given the opportunity.

I am not an American, and can speak only as an observer from outside. There are many of us who have recently come to suspect that the United States is sliding downhill into theocracy -- a state of affairs that would have appalled the Founding Fathers, and is in danger of earning the ridicule of the educated world. I feel sure that you, and the University of Central Florida, will have the good sense to give the lie to this suspicion, treat the hysterical Catholic lobby with the contempt that it deserves, and allow this principled young man, Webster Cook, to pursue his studies free of harassment from religious nutcases.

Yours sincerely
Richard Dawkins FRS
Professor of the Public Understanding of Science
University of Oxford

Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:24:00 UTC | #207809

kkelly's Avatar Comment 22 by kkelly

The genius Richard Dawkins is not above making a few typoes? Or is it typos?

winky smiley face with beard.

Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:40:00 UTC | #207814

Steve Zara's Avatar Comment 23 by Steve Zara

I don't agree with the tone of Richard's first paragraph. If the thought police punished us all for our grasp of reality, most of us would have a problem. My belief that I can regain a six-pack, and that baldness is appealing would probably condemn me. I don't care what people believe about a wafer.

What has to be condemned without reservation is the hysterical and deeply troubling reaction to what Cook did. Religious beliefs must be a private matter. Cook was, as I understand, engaged in a serious protest about funding of religious ceremonies. Protests of this nature are part of a healthy democratic society. Attempts to condemn what he did are acceptable purely within a religious context. When they extend beyond that, they threaten democracy.

Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:44:00 UTC | #207817

AoClay's Avatar Comment 24 by AoClay

I know some guys that went to UCF and got out because the crime was so bad in the area. In other words, that's strike two.

Also, the first paragraph of Dawkins' letter is ace.

Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:46:00 UTC | #207819

kkelly's Avatar Comment 25 by kkelly

24, I like bald guys. If you have an attractive face and head shape, baldness can't change that.

Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:50:00 UTC | #207825

Steve Zara's Avatar Comment 26 by Steve Zara

Comment #219226 by Brian English

You probably have never attended any "Gay Pride" marches. All I can say is that a significant number of attendees think that baldness and potential six-packs are something to be proudly exhibited.

Comment #219231 by kkelly

I got married to my husband when bald (two years ago).

Look, will you people please stop ruining my metaphor? I am trying to disagree with Richard Dawkins.

Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:51:00 UTC | #207826

kkelly's Avatar Comment 27 by kkelly

26, there are plenty of quasi-religious fat acceptance groups. Some even went mainstream. Remember Dove's "campaign for real beauty"?, which was really just average fat ladies dancing around on tv and embarrassing themselves.

Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:52:00 UTC | #207828

Jay Cee's Avatar Comment 28 by Jay Cee

Does Richard want us to write letters as well?

Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:11:00 UTC | #207833

thewhitepearl's Avatar Comment 29 by thewhitepearl

there are plenty of quasi-religious fat acceptance groups. Some even went mainstream. Remember Dove's "campaign for real beauty"?, which was really just average fat ladies dancing around on tv and embarrassing themselves.

*face palm* And you were doing so well on the social cue problem kkelly.

How is the "Campaign for Real Beauty" quasi-religious?

And you should be embarrassed of yourself for making such a cursory comment about a group of women who quite apparently weren't embarrassed about being average and brave enough to provoke change in the status quo definition of beauty.

You're the cardboard cutout of the type of consumer the Campaign for Beauty ad is reaching out to.

Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:14:00 UTC | #207836

Szymanowski's Avatar Comment 30 by Szymanowski

Steve Zara, "thought police" (!) aren't the same as people like RD, who merely want to insult stupidity, not prohibit it.

Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:18:00 UTC | #207840