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Stafford Gordon's Avatar Comment 1 by Stafford Gordon

'Allow 'allow 'allow, what do we have 'ere?

Better call a copper!

Oh, no, perhaps not.

Sat, 23 Aug 2008 10:03:00 UTC | #223012

mordacious1's Avatar Comment 2 by mordacious1

Eeet ees a reeligion of peace. Oh, and keeel the infidel.

Sat, 23 Aug 2008 10:12:00 UTC | #223016

qomak's Avatar Comment 3 by qomak

Well I just watched parts of the undercover mosque and found it a bit lousy.

Not that I find surprising that extremism can be preached as mosque, but the problem is the documentary is almost entirely composed of soundbits (very often one sentence long, i.e., about 6-7 words). That is a bit unsettling.

There is plenty of redundancy as well. The narrator mentions "extremism is taught in these mosques" then we are cut to very short clips of imams preaching violence. What they could do is to delete the narration and include more quotation. If the quotation is convincing then the narration contains no extra information. This type of lousy editing is what annoys me when it comes to this type of documentary.

Hopefully, in the second one they will fix these issues.

Sat, 23 Aug 2008 10:22:00 UTC | #223022

Fanusi Khiyal's Avatar Comment 5 by Fanusi Khiyal

quomak I find it interensting that you have more problems with the cuts and narration of the clips, than, say, with statements like "Burn down the stores of the Hindus, and as for the Jews, you must kill them physically"

Sat, 23 Aug 2008 10:29:00 UTC | #223029

ColdFusionLazarus's Avatar Comment 4 by ColdFusionLazarus

I've got a good bet with a friend I can guess a couple of the commenters in the next 50 posts.

Heh, it's an area for concern, and I'm still trying to educate myself in this area.

Sat, 23 Aug 2008 10:29:00 UTC | #223028

ColdFusionLazarus's Avatar Comment 6 by ColdFusionLazarus

bingo

Sat, 23 Aug 2008 10:30:00 UTC | #223032

ColdFusionLazarus's Avatar Comment 7 by ColdFusionLazarus

By the way, I honestly cannot compete. I admit I'm not clued up as I need to be here.

Sat, 23 Aug 2008 10:31:00 UTC | #223033

al-rawandi's Avatar Comment 8 by al-rawandi

Fanusi,




ANd shove needles into the gums of homosexual dental patients.



That was a gem.

Sat, 23 Aug 2008 10:35:00 UTC | #223037

Lisa Bauer's Avatar Comment 9 by Lisa Bauer

Channel 4 also said that in the same mosque, "the reporter visits the bookshop and discovers books and DVDs still on sale, promoting extremist, anti-Semitic, misogynistic and intolerant messages".

The undercover reporter also "films inside a key Saudi-funded Muslim organisation, which claims to promote tolerance and integration yet distributes literature which promotes intolerance for non-Muslims, an extreme version of sharia law and teachings which support discrimination against women".


It's the "Saudi influence" bit that interests me most. I've bought Saudi Qur'an translations and some other books filled with rather...regressive attitudes towards women and "the kuffar" (infidels), all of which were freely and openly available at online Islamic stores, even from ones located in the UK. (I'm probably on some terrorist watch list by now because of all my purchases from weird overseas Islamic stores, sigh.) I've seen these books (along with works by Mawdudi and Qutb) freely available to be borrowed at the local mosque library, though of course I have no idea how many people actually READ them.

Sat, 23 Aug 2008 10:44:00 UTC | #223041

Vinelectric's Avatar Comment 10 by Vinelectric

Fanusi

Just to let you know that at least one person has noticed that qomack never said that he is more worried about the program's editing than those extremist statements.

Sat, 23 Aug 2008 10:52:00 UTC | #223045

dpsych's Avatar Comment 11 by dpsych

I would like to suggest we counter all this religious nonsense by send in the Evangelical Pastafarians to establish more Churches (Bowls) of The Flying Spaghetti Monster (sauce be upon it). Begin by offering Communion [spaghetti and garlic bread which become the body and sauce of FSM(sauce be upon it)] to the homeless and hungry. Such pastalatizing could enormously expand the "faith". How could grape juice and crackers compete?

Sat, 23 Aug 2008 11:33:00 UTC | #223073

V'Ger's Avatar Comment 13 by V'Ger

What is the point of this show?

Everybody is well aware that there are many mosques that teach fear and hatred, and promote murder and violence. And most people are smart enough to know that even those that claim not to directly teach the same - just disguise it with other language.

That's what you get from people who revere a book which proclaims non-believers to be worthy only of conversion or death... and not to mention the obsession with The Prophet 'Peadophile Mohammed!

Sat, 23 Aug 2008 11:37:00 UTC | #223075

tieInterceptor's Avatar Comment 12 by tieInterceptor

Looking forward to another undercover mosque, the first one was a real eye opener.

Sat, 23 Aug 2008 11:37:00 UTC | #223074

kkelly's Avatar Comment 14 by kkelly

13, Because everybody is NOT well aware, and those who are aware yet deny it for political reasons can get away with their distortions until everybody is.

Sat, 23 Aug 2008 11:39:00 UTC | #223078

Vaal's Avatar Comment 15 by Vaal

Let's hope that the "preachers of hate" are prosecuted this time, not the journalists putting their lives at risk exposing their foul doctrine, and who are actually doing their jobs as investigative reporters.

I was appalled at the police trying to prosecute the messenger last time, instead of trying to address this cancer of hatred. Or is it OK as long as it is your religion? Talk about a "getting out of jail free card".

I expect no lessons have been learned since the last time, as politicians and the police are hamstrung by the fear of being labeled as Islamophobic and/or racist.

I thought there were laws in this country to incarcerate people for inciting murder, and for hate speech. Why are these not being used against these demented clerics, and if they are foreign, why are they not being deported?

EDIT: I regard being described as a "kuffar" as offensive as any racist statement.

Sat, 23 Aug 2008 11:58:00 UTC | #223092

DamnDirtyApe's Avatar Comment 16 by DamnDirtyApe

Its Dispatches on Channel 4, V'Ger. They do this kind of stuff all the time. They're pretty lefty kind of reporting on stuff. They can be rather sensationalist, but frankly, they just want to raise awareness about questionable things. What exactly those things are can vary, but this one looks right on the money.

Sat, 23 Aug 2008 11:59:00 UTC | #223093

Fanusi Khiyal's Avatar Comment 17 by Fanusi Khiyal

Vin, we are talkng about a documentary that journalist risked his life to make. Did I hear any complaints about what he uncovered? No. Did I hear whines about the presentation? Yes.

Layla the things is that all of that is just plain orthodox Islam. This wasn't cooked up by the Wahabis.

Sat, 23 Aug 2008 12:01:00 UTC | #223096

Border Collie's Avatar Comment 18 by Border Collie

Maybe one of you guys could put a link on this site so we kuffars over here across the pond can enjoy bad editing also.

Sat, 23 Aug 2008 12:45:00 UTC | #223106

catskill's Avatar Comment 19 by catskill

dpsych

Your post is genius! Hilarious!

p.s. - I am sure the quote "Burn down the stores of the Hindus, and as for the Jews, you must kill them physically" was probably just taken out of context, right? Pfft....

Sat, 23 Aug 2008 12:56:00 UTC | #223113

Duff's Avatar Comment 20 by Duff

Kuffars of the world, UNITE!!

I'm afraid the kuffars of the world outnumber, and certainly out think, the primitive religious tribe which wishes to drag us back into the 11th century.

Those goatherds want to kill the kuffar? Bring it on, Pal.

Sat, 23 Aug 2008 12:58:00 UTC | #223115

AllanW's Avatar Comment 21 by AllanW

If you are interested, follow these links;

http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/dispatches/undercover mosque/158390#fold

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2007/nov/19/channel4.ofcom

http://www.ofcom.org.uk/tv/obb/prog_cb/obb97/

The last link is to the Ofcom site and the detail of their ruling. Makes very interesting reading. Go to the section on 'Undercover mosque'.

Sat, 23 Aug 2008 13:01:00 UTC | #223116

chewedbarber's Avatar Comment 22 by chewedbarber

I was appalled at the police trying to prosecute the messenger last time


I agree, I don't see any reason why a rational person would hate the messenger. I wonder if anyone outside the KKK has fought to prosecute the creators of any of the multitude of documentaries depicting their hateful bullshit.

Youtube (Border Collie)--

Sat, 23 Aug 2008 13:03:00 UTC | #223118

AllanW's Avatar Comment 23 by AllanW

'I was appalled at the police trying to prosecute the messenger last time'

Yeh but it cost a large payment to Channel 4 and the documentary producers from the West Midlands police and Crown Prosecution Service to atone for their mistake. Now if they would just do something about the hate-speech evidenced in the mosques I'd begin to believe they might just have learned a thing or two. Not holding my breath though, multicultural blinkering is still the rationale du jour for those services ...

Sat, 23 Aug 2008 13:07:00 UTC | #223122

Fanusi Khiyal's Avatar Comment 24 by Fanusi Khiyal

Duff, that's the spirit!

There are a boatload more infidels than Moslems and we will win in the end. It's just a question of whether we can do it without regression to total horror.

Sat, 23 Aug 2008 13:13:00 UTC | #223125

thrutraffic's Avatar Comment 25 by thrutraffic

Unfortunately, John McCain my have been right. The US and a whole lot of other countries may really be spending the next 100 years fighting in the middle east.

While you young uns is over there me and your thinker grandaddies will be taking care of a little fundie problem back here at home. :-)

Sat, 23 Aug 2008 15:52:00 UTC | #223179

IaninPA's Avatar Comment 26 by IaninPA

This is good. They might have relaxed thinking the first undercover mosque was a one off. Now they should get the message, 'we are watching you'. On the other hand... if all we do is watch and not actually do anything, why should they care?

Sat, 23 Aug 2008 15:57:00 UTC | #223181

Nova's Avatar Comment 27 by Nova

Last August, West Midlands police referred the critically acclaimed programme to media regulator Ofcom and, in conjunction with the CPS, issued a statement saying the words of three preachers featured had been "heavily edited" so their meaning was "completely distorted".

However, Ofcom cleared Channel 4 and Hardcash of any TV fakery and ruled they "dealt with the subject matter responsibly and in context".


It's amazing how the Muslims media defence is powerful enough to corrupt the police. This is a complete travesty. These monsters are filmed saying atrocities, but people have been so brainwashed into believing the native culture is is always at fault, that it is the film makers that must have been at fault. The police tossed out the allegations against these Muslims on grounds that there wasn't enough evidence that they weren't taken out of context. Yet they accuse the film makers of taking them out of context on the word of Muslim extremist puppet organizations! The pervasive idea that the Muslims are almost never at fault, the cultural natives mostly are, strikes again. I notice, though, that while Ofcom said the film "dealt with the subject matter responsibly and in context", these men are still not being charged! This has been swept under the rug and these monsters roam free! What consolation is it to us that there are a handful of truly good Muslims when there is such a mountain of extremists?

Sat, 23 Aug 2008 17:14:00 UTC | #223190

kraut's Avatar Comment 28 by kraut

What I cannot understand for the life of me: Why are those preachers not prosecuted and kicked out of the country?

It is one thing to espouse disagreement, but it is another to incite the followers to murder.

Give those bastards the boot, plain and simple.

Sat, 23 Aug 2008 17:46:00 UTC | #223193

felandath's Avatar Comment 29 by felandath

Fanusi / Vaal - Great to see u guys as usual!

Did u guys see Christpoher Hitchens get interviewed on Al Jazeera by Riz Khan? He lays the smack down on Al Qaeda and predicts their imminent demise in Iraq. Heres the link -

http://drinksoakedtrotsforwar.com/2008/08/21/christopher-hitchens-on-al-jazeera-with-a-dipshit-amateur-demagogue-and-minor-us-cult-leader/

He basically says that Al-Qaeda will self destruct because of their own inanity. It gives me cause for optimism that the radicals are just too damn radical for their own good. And good people will see thru their evil ideology and prevail in the end. Or so I hope.

Cheers.

Sat, 23 Aug 2008 20:14:00 UTC | #223214

Fanusi Khiyal's Avatar Comment 30 by Fanusi Khiyal

The problem, felandath is that this isn't just al-Qaeda, it isn't just this gang or that gang - it's the whole damn dar al-Islam, that's the problem.

Even the statistics of that lickspittle Islam sycophant John Esposito put the numbers who supported 9/11 at nearly two hundred million (plus another three hundred who 'kinda' support it). And here's a little factoid that makes it appear it could be even worse:

On the fifth anniversary of the September 11 attacks, a survey conducted by Al-Jazeera asked respondents, "Do you support Osama Bin-Laden?" A whopping 49.9% answered: yes. And the July 2006 global Pew survey found that among Muslims, a quarter of Jordanians, a third of Indonesians, 38% of Pakistanis and 61% of Nigerians all expressed confidence in the mass murderer who founded al-Qaida. In Lebanon six months ago, the Beirut Center for Research and Information found that over 80% of the Lebanese population said they supported Hizbullah.


It's minor details like this that make me extremely skeptical about the ridiculous idea that we can permit the continued settlement of Muslims in our countries. This is a constituency that is far, far larger than anything Adolf Hitler had to draw on.

EDIT: *swears a blue streak* Thanks for the link; I just got to the point where this pretentious windbag from Washington is saying that it's "un-Islamic".


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What I cannot understand for the life of me: Why are those preachers not prosecuted and kicked out of the country?


Oh, kraut, haven't you heard that such a course of action would be unacceptable, intolerant? Be prepared to be told it by a few self-righteous windbags.

Sat, 23 Aug 2008 21:50:00 UTC | #223260