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rokeisland's Avatar Comment 1 by rokeisland

"The irony here is that atheism is a form of religion. You're still in something"


I guess people still don't get it.

Fri, 07 Nov 2008 09:21:00 UTC | #266557

toddaa's Avatar Comment 2 by toddaa

Diane Winston, professor of media and religion at the University of Southern California.

"Just as religious people want to convert people to their perspective, atheist people want to convert people to their point of view," Winston said. "The irony here is that atheism is a form of religion. You're still in something."

The Internet isn't killing religion. In fact, Winston says more Americans attend church today -- about 60% -- than in the past. "People have a mistaken notion of history that people used to be more religious," she said.




More evidence that any idiot can be an expert in religion.

Fri, 07 Nov 2008 09:28:00 UTC | #266563

JemyM's Avatar Comment 3 by JemyM

With Internet, the best way to convince the masses is to make sense.

Fri, 07 Nov 2008 09:36:00 UTC | #266571

acidhouser's Avatar Comment 4 by acidhouser

"Just as religious people want to convert people to their perspective, atheist people want to convert people to their point of view," Winston said. "The irony here is that atheism is a form of religion. You're still in something."
=FAIL

Oh noes, scary atheists on teh intrawebs.
No shit, Sherlock.

Fri, 07 Nov 2008 09:40:00 UTC | #266574

Tyler Durden's Avatar Comment 5 by Tyler Durden

"The irony here is that atheism is a form of religion. You're still in something." - Diane Winston, professor of media and religion at the University of Southern California.
Epic fail. Go to the back of the class.

If atheism (def: -noun "disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings") is a religion, perhaps Ms. Winston could name one of its tenets. Or what holy book atheists subscribe to.

Am I also religious if I'm in a band, just because I'm "in something"?

Atheism is to religion as bald is to hair colour.

Fri, 07 Nov 2008 09:41:00 UTC | #266577

Border Collie's Avatar Comment 6 by Border Collie

'atheist people want to convert people to their point of view'

Since when?

Fri, 07 Nov 2008 09:44:00 UTC | #266578

hungarianelephant's Avatar Comment 7 by hungarianelephant

5. Comment #280287 by Tyler Durden on November 7, 2008 at 9:41 am

If atheism (def: -noun "disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings") is a religion, perhaps Ms. Winston could name one of it's tenets. Or what holy book atheists subscribe to.


<channel_david_robertson>
1. Materialism
2. Moral relativism
3. Some other stuff I don't want to share with you, but I definitely honestly have it, and you can trust me because I'd never write a dodgy cheque
4. Er ...
5. ... that's it.

And to the second question, Darwin's Origin of Species. Oh yes you do. (Er, we don't, and in fact disagree with Darwin on a number of points.) Oh yes you do, also Stalin was an atheist (continue ad nauseam)</channel_david_robertson>

Fri, 07 Nov 2008 09:49:00 UTC | #266580

Tyler Durden's Avatar Comment 8 by Tyler Durden

I feel an email needs to be send to Ms. Winston.

Anyone have the latest numbers for church attendance in America? (I can't access certain sites here in work.)

Thanks.

Fri, 07 Nov 2008 09:58:00 UTC | #266582

movingshadow's Avatar Comment 9 by movingshadow

" 6. Comment #280288 by Border Collie on November 7, 2008 at 9:44 am
'atheist people want to convert people to their point of view'

Since when? "


Uh... so, what? the god delusion was meant simply to be read by other atheist?

This article is absurd but come on, dude

Fri, 07 Nov 2008 10:00:00 UTC | #266583

Demotruk's Avatar Comment 10 by Demotruk

Dunno about America, but here in Europe less and less people are religious. However, the people who remain religious are increasingly fundamentalist, it seems.

Fri, 07 Nov 2008 10:01:00 UTC | #266584

Demotruk's Avatar Comment 12 by Demotruk

Almost everyone wants to convert people to their point of view. Isn't that half the point of argument? The other half would be exposing your own thoughts/position to criticism.

Fri, 07 Nov 2008 10:03:00 UTC | #266587

notreallyalice's Avatar Comment 11 by notreallyalice

Since when was a bunch of atheists hanging around together the same as promoting "anti-religion agenda"' Non-theist does not equal anti-theist.

Fri, 07 Nov 2008 10:03:00 UTC | #266586

hungarianelephant's Avatar Comment 13 by hungarianelephant

Tyler - will this do?

Church attendance

Gallup International indicates that 41%[42] of American citizens report they regularly attend religious services, compared to 15% of French citizens, 10% of UK citizens,[43] and 7.5% of Australian citizens.[44]

However, these numbers are open to dispute. ReligiousTolerance.org states:

"Church attendance data in the U.S. has been checked against actual values using two different techniques. The true figures show that only about 21% of Americans and 10% of Canadians actually go to church one or more times a week. Many Americans and Canadians tell pollsters that they have gone to church even though they have not. Whether this happens in other countries, with different cultures, is difficult to predict."[42]

In, a 2006 online Harris Poll of 2,010 U.S. adults (18 and older) found that only 26% of those surveyed attended religious services "every week or more often," 9% went "once or twice a month" 21% went "a few times a year," 3% went "once a year," 22% went "less than once a year," and 18% never attend religious services. An identical survey by Harris in 2003 found that only 26% of those surveyed attended religious services "every week or more often," 11% went "once or twice a month" 19% went "a few times a year," 4% went "once a year," 16% went "less than once a year," and 25% never attend religious services.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_States#Church_attendance

EDIT: Perh. that 60% number comes from everyone in the last survey who went more than once a year. Not very convincing if that is the case.

Fri, 07 Nov 2008 10:04:00 UTC | #266588

Tyler Durden's Avatar Comment 14 by Tyler Durden

Many thanks Hungarian.

Edit: Those figures from Harris Poll would seem to show no increase in church attendance figures. And what does Ms. Winston mean by "the past"? Very ambiguous.

Fri, 07 Nov 2008 10:17:00 UTC | #266590

alabasterocean's Avatar Comment 15 by alabasterocean

Come on... we might not agree on anything except that religion -theology! is plain nonsensical as a ground for reasonable arguments but we do try and hope that the rest of the planet will follow this idea. Don't we?

Religion:
"Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe."

I do not think it's correct use of language to say we are in, or share a religion. But I do think we all have a new common point of view: That the Winston character has little or worse semantic skills.

Whats wrong whit people!

Ps. In Sweden membership in the church point to hell- if hell is presumed to be down there somewhere. Most religious people also seem to be more agnostic - or just plain "there aught to be something, or?"

Fri, 07 Nov 2008 10:30:00 UTC | #266596

Quetzalcoatl's Avatar Comment 16 by Quetzalcoatl

"The irony here is that atheism is a form of religion. You're still in something."


Rubbish.

Not particularly eloquent, but still.

Fri, 07 Nov 2008 10:32:00 UTC | #266597

hungarianelephant's Avatar Comment 17 by hungarianelephant

Well, I guarantee that more Americans go to church than in the early 15th century. So Winston is definitely right if she frames her reference points well.

Fri, 07 Nov 2008 10:37:00 UTC | #266598

drl2's Avatar Comment 18 by drl2

Why is there always an "agenda" when atheists speak out? Do they think we're having secret conspiratorial meetings on Sunday mornings while they're not paying attention? Isn't it possible for people to reply, "What you just wrote was really stupid", without having an "agenda"?

Fri, 07 Nov 2008 10:48:00 UTC | #266606

Eshto's Avatar Comment 19 by Eshto

"'The irony here is that atheism is a form of religion. You're still in something.'"

So is every form of social organization a "religion"? I'm an avid gamer and I frequent gaming websites, is that a "religion"? I'm an art student and hang out with other artists, is that a "religion"?

What about people with fetishes who hook up on the internet, do they have a "religion"?

Should Furries apply for tax exempt status??

Fri, 07 Nov 2008 10:54:00 UTC | #266612

jdaudett's Avatar Comment 20 by jdaudett

There is one point of view that we want people to share with us. The point of view that people should think rationally based on evidence.
I don't give three quarters of a damn if they believe in the supreme surveillance camera in the sky as long as they do so for reasons that make sense.

Oh yeah, and as long as they don't try to force their religious nonsense on me.

Fri, 07 Nov 2008 11:05:00 UTC | #266616

mitch_486's Avatar Comment 21 by mitch_486

Oh for shit's sake...

Religion according to the Encarta Dictionary (North America) is..

"people's beliefs and opinions concerning the existence, nature, and worship of a deity or deities, and divine involvement in the universe and human life"

Atheist (same dictionary)

"somebody who does not believe in God or deities"


Now please, Win(i'm an absolute ignoramus)ston....


I hate how they try so hard, they then, forget the meanings of the words they are using..


edit: grammar, I was pissed



fucktards

Fri, 07 Nov 2008 11:06:00 UTC | #266617

Spiny's Avatar Comment 22 by Spiny

Eshto: "gamer and I frequent gaming websites, is that a "religion"?

yes brother, welcome to the flock:

http://churchofgaming.com/

and

ctrl-alt-del (and a few onwards)

:D

Fri, 07 Nov 2008 11:07:00 UTC | #266618

phil rimmer's Avatar Comment 23 by phil rimmer

Atheism is to religion as bald is to hair colour.


My favourite...

Atheism is a religion as much as off is a TV channel.

Fri, 07 Nov 2008 11:23:00 UTC | #266626

justdust's Avatar Comment 24 by justdust

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Good grief

Fri, 07 Nov 2008 11:25:00 UTC | #266628

DiveMedic's Avatar Comment 25 by DiveMedic

drl2: " Do they think we're having secret conspiratorial meetings on Sunday mornings while they're not paying attention?"

The conspiratorial meetings are on Tuesday evenings... Didn't you get the memo?

Fri, 07 Nov 2008 11:34:00 UTC | #266637

Kit Finn's Avatar Comment 26 by Kit Finn

I suppose that the fact that atheism is coming to be accepted as more 'normal' by mainstream papers (is LA Times a particularly frequently read paper in California?) could be seen as a good sign. I can't imagine an article saying 'oooh, non-religious people do the same things as us' being too popular with the religious crowd, even if the article is slightly in their favour.

But I agree that this Winston character is several pews short of a chapel.

Edited, clarity

Fri, 07 Nov 2008 11:45:00 UTC | #266646

alabasterocean's Avatar Comment 27 by alabasterocean

Atheism is a religion as much as off is a TV channel.


-ha ha.... yes. Thats the metaphor in so many ways.

Fri, 07 Nov 2008 11:48:00 UTC | #266648

Tezcatlipoca's Avatar Comment 28 by Tezcatlipoca

"Atheism is a religion as much as off is a TV channel"

I've just had to change my email sig file...

Fri, 07 Nov 2008 11:51:00 UTC | #266650

Diacanu's Avatar Comment 29 by Diacanu

So, what's the point of this article?

Some more subtle hate/fear mongering to make us the new jews, or what?

Fri, 07 Nov 2008 11:57:00 UTC | #266656

Steve Zara's Avatar Comment 30 by Steve Zara

Comment #280367 by Diacanu

So, what's the point of this article?


It is very simple, my friend. To highlight that Mark Milian seems to have very little understanding of how the internet works, and that because some atheists use the internet, we are just like a religion.

Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:07:00 UTC | #266662