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8teist's Avatar Comment 1 by 8teist

YAWN..............

Sun, 30 Nov 2008 10:29:00 UTC | #279936

flounder99's Avatar Comment 3 by flounder99

stupid cow

Sun, 30 Nov 2008 10:35:00 UTC | #279942

Jay Cee's Avatar Comment 4 by Jay Cee

"It was all started up by -- predictably -- Professor Richard Dawkins"

It was all started up by Ariane Sherine. Yet another example of how these stupid religious apologists don't bother to check facts or read people's books before they criticise them and it just shows them up for the reactionary fools that they are. Such an unpleasant thing to read -so snide and whiney in tone.

Sun, 30 Nov 2008 10:36:00 UTC | #279943

firstelder_d's Avatar Comment 6 by firstelder_d

The advertising campaign has cost around stg £100,000. It was all started up by -- predictably -- Professor Richard Dawkins, the neo-Darwinist scientist and atheist campaigner. He put down a deposit of some £8,000, and the rest came from public contributions -- mostly from readers of The Guardian newspaper, in which the campaign was publicised.


I wasn't that familiar with the campaign but isn't all of that false? I thought a newspaper editor, that wasn't from The Guardian, started it. We should do some forensic accounting on the churches, $10 bucks they claim it's a violation of their rights to religion.

most of them (Atheists) seem to be miserable blighters


Only things that bring me down are reading about the narrow minded nut jobs that use religion as a reason take over the world. I'm I alone on this?

athiest's are
caustically intolerant


Ya, of religious nuts, I'm tired of your bullshit, no one else bothers me

Sun, 30 Nov 2008 10:39:00 UTC | #279949

alabasterocean's Avatar Comment 5 by alabasterocean

ha ha... this is just to easy.

Sun, 30 Nov 2008 10:39:00 UTC | #279948

Jay Cee's Avatar Comment 7 by Jay Cee

There may be some of this ilk, but militant atheists, in particular, are deeply unpleasant and caustically intolerant. Any time I have written about this subject, I have received offensive e-mails from militant atheists.


AND

A life without a spiritual sense of purpose, or the moral parameters set by the Ten Commandments -- is a living hell.


This HAS to be a joke.

Sun, 30 Nov 2008 10:40:00 UTC | #279952

Dinah's Avatar Comment 8 by Dinah

Of course, when Christians ruled most of the West in the Middle Ages and early modern period, life was so happy, wasn't it? Nobody ever died of drink, drug abuse, despair or starvation, nobody was ever tortured or burnt at the stake for believing in the wrong kind of Christianity, nobody ever beat or abused their children, everybody could speak their minds freely about whatever they pleased and women had equal rights with men. Yes, the Christian example can teach us so much about what is wrong with society now.

Sun, 30 Nov 2008 10:44:00 UTC | #279956

GodFreeOli's Avatar Comment 9 by GodFreeOli

I cant even begin to summon the energy to counter all the misstruths in this but suffice to say calling atheists "puritan" made me chuckle.

definition...

1. A member of a group of English Protestants who in the 16th and 17th centuries advocated strict religious discipline along with simplification of the ceremonies and creeds of the Church of England.
2. puritan One who lives in accordance with Protestant precepts, especially one who regards pleasure or luxury as sinful.

what a waste of words.

oli.x

Sun, 30 Nov 2008 10:44:00 UTC | #279957

Caudimordax's Avatar Comment 10 by Caudimordax

I've never yet met an atheist with a sense of joie-de-vivre (unless, in the case of one well-known public atheist, a certain drunken cordiality) most of them seem to be miserable blighters. Read GK Chesterton's great poem 'The Ballad of the Sad Athiest'. It perfectly describes this kind of dreary and austere puritan.


Who the heck is he (?) talking about? Edit: I mean generally - lot's of jolly people on this site, after all.


that we are just reasonably clever animals who evolved from a set of molluscs, quite by chance -- are easily driven down the road to despair.


Evolved from molluscs (sp?) *facepalm*

filth and excrement, dead mice and pet snakes.


???? Am I missing something?

Sun, 30 Nov 2008 10:48:00 UTC | #279960

Caudimordax's Avatar Comment 12 by Caudimordax

2. Comment #293877 by notacrook

Yes that was a good rebuttal.

Sun, 30 Nov 2008 10:53:00 UTC | #279968

Osmano's Avatar Comment 11 by Osmano

A rather confusing piece. She hasn't presented any evidence for her claims.

Sun, 30 Nov 2008 10:53:00 UTC | #279967

penseur's Avatar Comment 13 by penseur

Talk about exhaustive research and uncompromising adherance to the facts. This article has more straw men than a Nebraska corn field.

Sun, 30 Nov 2008 10:57:00 UTC | #279977

Elles's Avatar Comment 14 by Elles

I am now completely and unshakably convinced by my faith in humanity that this was all a satirical piece done by some moderately funny comedian. I invoke Poe's Law.

Sun, 30 Nov 2008 11:03:00 UTC | #279984

Roger Stanyard's Avatar Comment 15 by Roger Stanyard

It's a bit rich coming from a paddy given that the Republic of Ireland for years suffered from the shere joylessness of its rural life, surpressed by the omnipotent priest screaming guilty from the minute one was born.

The same Oh So Christian Republic that for decades after independence was unable to provide its citizens with jobs so that they were forced leave the country in droves.

The same country that after independence ethnicly cleansed a third of its protestant population.

The same Oh So Christian country that put education in the hands of pedophiles, bullies and thugs on the form of the Christian Brothers and the Sisters of (no) Mercy.

The same Oh So Holy country that ostracised Trinity College Dublin for not being Catholic.

The same Oh So Holy country that banned contraception and kept women in misery.

The same Oh So Holy country that left huge numbers of its citizens locked into joyless and loveless marriages.

And then blamed everything on the unholy Brits.

I thought Ireland had moved on big time but it seems that the sanctimonious preaching is still there.

Sun, 30 Nov 2008 11:08:00 UTC | #279987

Andy_Allen's Avatar Comment 16 by Andy_Allen

Is this "independent.ie" a real newspaper? That article reads like something out of amateur hour from the parish rag. I wasn't motivated to examine the article further, but has anyone found even one substantiated grain of truth in it?

On the other hand, locally we have this from the Los Angeles Times:

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-fame30-2008nov30,0,6755798.story

The pastor of the First African Methodist Episcopal Church, one of the oldest and most prominent black congregations in Los Angeles, used church credit cards to pay for at least $122,000 in personal expenses over a three-year period, including jewelry, family vacations, clothing and auto supplies, according to documents and church sources.

The spending came to light during the course of an independent audit and Internal Revenue Service investigation into the financial affairs of the pastor, John J. Hunter; his wife, Denise Brown Hunter; and the church, according to people connected with the church, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they feared retaliation. (my bold)


Sure are nice, upstanding and moral types these Christians.

Andy

Sun, 30 Nov 2008 11:10:00 UTC | #279989

Szkeptik's Avatar Comment 17 by Szkeptik

Well.. this is stupid. But what could we expect from an intellectually inferior faith-head?

Sun, 30 Nov 2008 11:12:00 UTC | #279991

Roger Stanyard's Avatar Comment 18 by Roger Stanyard

It's suggested that this op-ed piece was written by Mary Kenny. If so, that's the same Mary Kenny who was shouting from the rooftops a decade or so back how great it was that Ireland was saying good-bye to religion.

Um, there's nothing like consistency amongst hacks.

Sun, 30 Nov 2008 11:16:00 UTC | #279993

black wolf's Avatar Comment 19 by black wolf

The falsehoods and idiocy in this commentary kept mounting at an amazing rate while I was reading it. I kept getting angrier. And then suddenly it all fell off me, when I realized the author had moved straight into loony troll moron territory, only to be laughed at and perhaps pitied a bit. Nothing to get irate about really (but no harm in voicing a quick 'fucktard' in her general direction either).

Isn't it revealing how she feels the need to rant and lie and cry abuse over an utterly harmless ad campaign - calling the opposition miserabe blighters no less - and thereby revealing beyond the shadow of a doubt how miserable and fearful she is herself?
And she is damn right to be afraid. Not only is the Emperor revealed as a nudist by conviction, it is plain to see for everybody save those who clench their eyes shut, that his argumentative arsenal is just as void of depth as his wardrobe.

Sun, 30 Nov 2008 11:21:00 UTC | #279994

Caudimordax's Avatar Comment 21 by Caudimordax

Roger - right you are.

She was a founder member of the Irish feminist movement, though she has since rejected her radical past[1].(Wikipedia)

Sun, 30 Nov 2008 11:22:00 UTC | #279998

Ex~'s Avatar Comment 20 by Ex~

A response I wrote:

In Mary Kenny's deeply distasteful and horrendously second-rate screed shamelessly printed by the Independent, a publication I would hope screens the quality of its contributors better next time, she spends the whole while telling us all how dreadfully evil atheists are, how they are responsible for all the ills of society, and how they are, excluding the small minority Kenny gives the passing admittance "might" exist, on the whole child abusers, drug addicts, neglectful parents, and, she claims, in a stroke of the greatest irony, "caustically intolerant."

I have never read such a disgustingly intolerant screed since I tried sitting down to "Mein Kampf" a year ago and gave up a few hours later.



It is amusing one brings the subject of Baby P into things, when one may read in the Good Book Mary professes to believe in, the untold slaughter of every firstborn child in Egypt, the stories chockfull of human sacrifice to Jehovah, including the ritual sacrifice of one's only daughter, the incestual abuses commanded by God, the burning alive of woman and child in the womb, and other such untold horrors that any moral being would gasp at and tear apart the book they were written in with the utmost expedience.

Baby P certainly died from the neglect and abuse of his parents (and I'd lay a tener on them being Christians), but if the God of Mary's bible had his way he'd have been offered as a blood sacrifice long before.


Indeed, to have any morality whatsoever, all of us, Christian or not, must reject the thoroughly disgusting abomination that is the Bible, a relic of barbaric ages past that, thanks to secularization, scientific progress, and rational enlightenment, has given way to a rational morality that is nothing more than a progressive removal from the God idea at each step. Christians choose to merely ignore their own Bibles, the only difference with Atheists is that we're honest about it.

Sun, 30 Nov 2008 11:22:00 UTC | #279996

ukantic's Avatar Comment 22 by ukantic

An interesting investigation into the rising suicide rates in NI can be found at:
http://www.nehb.ie/nehb/publications/suicide.htm

This is a long report & I have only quickly skimmed through it. There seems to be many factors involved in the increase; unemployment, broken relationships, alcoholism, mental illness, etc. However, I couldn't find the reference to atheism – perhaps Linda Ward Selbie could point it out for everyone.

There is also a graph comparing suicide rates in NI with the rest of Europe. Northern Ireland's rates have increased at the same time as Europe's have slightly decreased. Are we all to assume that Europe has become more religious over the last 20 years?

Finally, You have to be pretty stupid to blame an entire country for the actions of one degenerate family.

Sun, 30 Nov 2008 11:25:00 UTC | #279999

Sarmatae1's Avatar Comment 23 by Sarmatae1

I really like The Onion. You can't beat it for satire humor that was a really good article.

Sun, 30 Nov 2008 11:30:00 UTC | #280002

mordacious1's Avatar Comment 24 by mordacious1

"That is a life without moral parameters; in which fathers walk away from their children because the state provides all welfare; in which relationships are casual, and a variety boyfriends and serial stepfathers move in; in which mothers spend the day smoking dope, drinking vodka and cruising for sex on the internet, while their children die with broken backs -- among filth and excrement, dead mice and pet snakes."

Lest we forget about that pillar of christianity, Andrea Yates:

"Yates drowned 6-month-old Mary, 2-year-old Luke, 3-year-old Paul, 5-year-old John and 7-year-old Noah in their Houston-area home in June 2001. Her attorneys said she suffered from severe postpartum psychosis and, in a delusional state, believed that Satan was inside her and that killing the youngsters would save them from hell."

The advantage that xians have is that they can always plea insanity, because it's true.

Sun, 30 Nov 2008 11:34:00 UTC | #280003

Billy Sands's Avatar Comment 25 by Billy Sands

Bag of Shite!

Sun, 30 Nov 2008 11:37:00 UTC | #280005

Cartomancer's Avatar Comment 27 by Cartomancer

You know, this piece is more than just bad journalism, though it is that in spades, it's actually outrageously offensive.

All it does, apart from mangle and misrepresent pretty much every fact it attempts to present, is to insinuate that atheism is somehow linked with the vilest of child abusers. That's pretty much it - take an example of appalling child cruelty from recent media coverage, then pretend it has anything at all to do with atheism. No arguments, no attempt at pointing out causal links, not even an attempt to find out what the religious beliefs or lack thereof were in this particular nasty case study.

I am shocked at the sheer nastiness of it all. Whoever wrote this piece should be thoroughly ashamed of themself.

And, as for atheists being a dour, caustic and miserable bunch, I know I fall into that category most of the time but how on earth can this person possibly say that? Do they not know any atheists? Have they never been to Sweden or Norway or Japan where the vast majority of the population are atheists and which, coincidentally, have some of the lowest crime rates, highest standards of living and best social welfare systems (well, not Japan) in the world?

As for the decalogue, how on earth does that constitute a viable moral system? The first two or three commandments are basically nonsense about only having one god and not making idols or blaspheming, and have no moral content at all because they refer to non-existent beings and non-existent crimes. Then we have keeping the Sabbath, which is also nonsense lacking in any kind of moral content. Then we get on to the actual vaguely moral stuff - honour your parents, don't murder people, don't commit adultery, don't steal, don't bear false witness, don't covet other people's property or spouses. Of these, killing and stealing does actually cause harm, so those are ok. Covetousness is not harmful in itself, nor is adultery, though both can cause social problems and harm from their secondary effects, and so should probably be encouraged against. Bearing false witness is a legal, not a moral, consideration. It only becomes moral if the false witness leads to harm. In fact, if the only way to prevent harm is to lie to others, I think one is morally bound to bear false witness.

Honouring one's parents is the interesting one though, in the context of this article's nauseating attempt to bring in modern child abuse cases. One's parents deserve honour and respect (though quite what "honour" means in such a context is difficult to fathom) inasmuch as they return the sentiment. Respecting bad parents is not a morally upright thing to do. We all know of the injunction in the bible that disobedient children should be stoned to death, but look here at what the very decalogue this author recommends as the basis for all morality has to say on issues of children, parents and suffering:

I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me, but showing steadfast love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments. Exodus 20:5-6


Punishing children for the iniquity of their parents eh? Such a glorious lens through which to view this particularly horrible abuse case isn't it?

Sun, 30 Nov 2008 11:56:00 UTC | #280009

micfur's Avatar Comment 26 by micfur

15. Comment #293926 by Roger Stanyard

Roger, I think you are slightly guilty of some rash generalisations of a country, in a not dissimilar fashion to Mary Kenny and her atheist rant.

Sun, 30 Nov 2008 11:56:00 UTC | #280008

Roger Stanyard's Avatar Comment 28 by Roger Stanyard

micfur - you're right, I overdid it. Just a bit angry with the author.

Sun, 30 Nov 2008 12:01:00 UTC | #280010

Mr DArcy's Avatar Comment 29 by Mr DArcy

I've never yet met an atheist with a sense of joie-de-vivre (unless, in the case of one well-known public atheist, a certain drunken cordiality) most of them seem to be miserable blighters. Read GK Chesterton's great poem 'The Ballad of the Sad Athiest'. It perfectly describes this kind of dreary and austere puritan.


Not guilty, yer Honour.

but militant atheists, in particular, are deeply unpleasant and caustically intolerant.


Not guilty, yer Honour.

I've never yet met an atheist with a sense of joie-de-vivre (unless, in the case of one well-known public atheist, a certain drunken cordiality)


Guilty yer honour.

miserable blighters.


Not guilty, yer honour.

militant atheists, in particular, are deeply unpleasant and caustically intolerant.


Not guilty, yer honour.

A life without a spiritual sense of purpose, or the moral parameters set by the Ten Commandments -- is a living hell.


Untrue, yer honour.

no space whatsoever for Christians or other believers in the public realm.


Just a wet dream yer honour.

'Baby P'


Where the hell was God, yer honour?

So God works in mysterious ways after all.


Couldn't agree more yer honour.

She offered her honour,
He honoured her offer,
He was on 'er and off 'er all night long.

Sun, 30 Nov 2008 12:01:00 UTC | #280011

davem's Avatar Comment 30 by davem

The most ironic bit is where she accuses atheists of being 'puritans'. WTF????

Sun, 30 Nov 2008 12:15:00 UTC | #280014