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ksskidude's Avatar Comment 1 by ksskidude

Can you blame them really for wanting a so called god out of our government?

Will believers ever "get it?" Will they ever understand why having god and or religion within the public domain is not good for society? It just creates conflict!

"God's role in protecting state and country" are you kidding me?

I don't know what else to say, other than that I am not suprised by reading this, not the legislation that is being taken, but rather the bumpkin's who still think god actually cares about Kentuckians.


Tue, 02 Dec 2008 21:48:00 UTC | #281730

Lisa Bauer's Avatar Comment 2 by Lisa Bauer

I am extremely pleased that somebody's actually doing something about this (instead of just bitching about it -- entertaining as that is!). Hats off to American Atheists and I hope this grossly unconstitutional law is overturned.

Tue, 02 Dec 2008 22:50:00 UTC | #281744

Goodbluff's Avatar Comment 3 by Goodbluff

"I'm not aware of any other state or commonwealth that is attempting to dump their clear responsibility for protecting their citizens onto God or any other mythological creature," Buckner said.

well, there's the US national motto "In God we trust"


Tue, 02 Dec 2008 22:57:00 UTC | #281746

moderndaythomas's Avatar Comment 4 by moderndaythomas

Well, they do got good fried chicken.

Tue, 02 Dec 2008 22:58:00 UTC | #281747

Cyboman's Avatar Comment 5 by Cyboman

Why does it have to be an atheist group? Are we the only ones who care about the separation of church and state.

Tue, 02 Dec 2008 23:10:00 UTC | #281751

moderndaythomas's Avatar Comment 6 by moderndaythomas

I think it's safe to say that anyone who cares about separation of church and state, irregardless of atheistic beliefs, is an atheist in the eyes of "yer spit n' polish evangelical".

Tue, 02 Dec 2008 23:13:00 UTC | #281752

Evilcor's Avatar Comment 7 by Evilcor

This is going to be a PR DISASTER.

Take it from me, a reformed conservative jack-off. . . There is an entire industry in American media (mostly books, but also talk radio etc.) which specializes in taking umbrage at "persecution" of "people of faith."

Essential to any understanding of what we're up against is the realization that conservatives are never happier than when they're stinking miserable. And one of the ways the right-wing bubble has developed for keeping them happily enraged is the "war on Christmas" type of story.

It goes like this:
1) Good-hearted Christian citizen does something nobody could possibly object to, like commision a 10-ton granite rendition of the Ten Commandments to be mounted in a federal courthouse.

2) Hateful Atheist troublemakers seek to impose their Hollywood values on everybody by trying to take "under god" out of the pledge of allegiance.

3) Self-serving media clusterfuck, in which Sean Hannity calls for a lynching and Rachel Maddow tries out a new hairstyle.

4) Local politician who would literally kill your mother to become a national politician gets on TV and takes a "bold stand" on behalf of ignorant provincial attitude.

5) Retarded religious icon comes down, just like we all knew it would all along.

6) Between now and the next election cycle the right-wing grief engine (David Limbaugh, Bill Bennett, and about a million think-tanks) use the incident to convice the nation's disembrained that godless liberals hate Jesus and that it's a sin to vote Democrat.

7) Election Day - people all over the country ignore their economic interest and vote "God Hates Fags."

8) Victorious Republicans cut taxes on billionaires.

9) Repeat as needed.

Remember that story about the road to Damascus? How Jesus appears in his glory and blows Saul off his donkey and into the dirt and terrorizes him and strikes him blind. . . and then asks "Why do you persecute me?"
There's a reason Christians like that story. Nothing makes an oppressor happier than a persecution complex.

Tue, 02 Dec 2008 23:41:00 UTC | #281762

Logicel's Avatar Comment 8 by Logicel

Evilcor, Such a cascading litany of events may find it a bit difficult to get going at present--there are cracks showing in the NeoCon engine. The only crescendo may just be the sounds of the further crashing of the conservatives.

State Rep. David Floyd, R-Bardstown, said the preamble to the Kentucky constitution references a people "grateful to almighty God,"...

When in fear, many animals grovel to placate and please their 'superior', and that is what is in part behind the Christians immoral 'gratitude' to their tyrannical sky daddy.

Oh, Floyd and Riner are a pair of fucktopuses. (Titania, feel free to practice your Ozzie slang in ripping these two apart, pretty please?)

Tue, 02 Dec 2008 23:57:00 UTC | #281773

theonlybap's Avatar Comment 9 by theonlybap

Of course, after this law is repealed, any terrorist attack that occurs in Kentucky will be blamed solely on atheists by evangelicals.

I just wonder what they would do if a terrorist attack occurs while their god is supposedly protecting them from such things.

Blame atheists, probably.

Wed, 03 Dec 2008 00:08:00 UTC | #281777

Evilcor's Avatar Comment 10 by Evilcor

Logicel, I believe you suffer from a sense of rationality; a greivous condition in American politics.
More than a few sensible men have gone to the firing squad/guillotine/gas chamber wondering why such an illogical and clearly doomed political movement had the upper hand.

Remember that zombie movie at the mall? Remember that white SWAT guy getting careless because all zombies do is stagger around and groan? Remember what happened to him?

You'd be SHOCKED at how resilient the cracked-up, ready-to-fall NeoCon engine will yet prove to be.

I repeat - I USED TO BE ONE OF THESE FUCKERS! Liberals hate America! Forced abortions-on-demand! Sodomy classes in kindergarten! Heather Has Two Mommies! TWO FUCKING MOMMIES!!!!!

Try beating THAT by being sane. Will it fade away? Hold your breath and we'll see.

Again, you're probably too damn sane to really groc what they are. America has 50 million drooling zombies, and they will bite loooong after they're dead.

Head shot. Only way. Don't assume. Just head shot.

Wed, 03 Dec 2008 00:12:00 UTC | #281780

sunbeamforjesus's Avatar Comment 11 by sunbeamforjesus

You are spot on. It will be a long and bloody campaign before we can prise the icy fingers of religion off the throat of power.These fucking people lie for a living!

Wed, 03 Dec 2008 00:33:00 UTC | #281790

Raiko's Avatar Comment 12 by Raiko

"No government by itself can guarantee perfect security," Riner said.

Are you kidding me? Is he implying GOD can?

Reality speaks against this. Strongly.

Wed, 03 Dec 2008 00:39:00 UTC | #281792

Evilcor's Avatar Comment 13 by Evilcor

Cool, I'm "spot on!" That's the most Anglo comment I've ever gotten!


Wed, 03 Dec 2008 00:40:00 UTC | #281795

sunbeamforjesus's Avatar Comment 14 by sunbeamforjesus

You're jolly welcome old chap!

Wed, 03 Dec 2008 00:45:00 UTC | #281797

Kit Finn's Avatar Comment 15 by Kit Finn

Well, I suppose we can at least be glad that we haven't got Sarah Palin coming into the White House next year. She'd probably ensure that the "can't be achieved apart from reliance upon Almighty God" clause winds up in the Constitution. That would be an utterly hideous prospect.

Wed, 03 Dec 2008 00:50:00 UTC | #281799

Logicel's Avatar Comment 16 by Logicel

Evilcor, The population as of the 2008 estimate (per wikipedia) for the USA is over 300,000,000 million. So the 'zombies' are about 1/6 of the population, still a fairly hefty size, but not the majority.

I would say that this majority are the real zombies who are now waking up by realizing how much harm the tying of evangelicism to politics has caused for conservatives/republicans and for America in general. It will be interesting to see the changes that will occur in the GOP.

These sickos are their worst enemies, and their sickness will not only trim their own numbers, but will finally cause enough opposition to weaken them considerably. Not a given, of course, but it certainly is not an impossibility.

Wed, 03 Dec 2008 01:04:00 UTC | #281806

AForce1's Avatar Comment 17 by AForce1

So why does KY accept $28mill a year from the federal govtfor homeland security?
Just in case there isn't a god?

Wed, 03 Dec 2008 01:21:00 UTC | #281815

irate_atheist's Avatar Comment 18 by irate_atheist

Complete. Fucking. Loons.

Not worth a warm bucket of piss between them.

Wed, 03 Dec 2008 01:24:00 UTC | #281817

bamboospitfire's Avatar Comment 19 by bamboospitfire

"Divine providence ... is a foundational understanding of what America is." Oh dear. Grammar alert notwithstanding, someone is trying to rewrite history again...

Wed, 03 Dec 2008 01:35:00 UTC | #281822

Degsy's Avatar Comment 20 by Degsy

An acknowledgment that divine providence is part and parcel of what America is all about (to paraphrase Tom Riner) is erroneous is it not? My understanding of what America's founding fathers were trying to achieve, was a separation of Church and State from the outset.

Wed, 03 Dec 2008 01:37:00 UTC | #281824

Katana's Avatar Comment 21 by Katana

Wouldn't a truly almighty god make the office of homeland security unnecessary?

Wed, 03 Dec 2008 01:58:00 UTC | #281840

bluecastle's Avatar Comment 22 by bluecastle

Let us solve the question scientifically: Compare states which have been trusting in god with those which didn't. Let us meassure safety, welfare, peace, happyness (add more criteria if you like). If the states trusting in god have statistically significant better results than the other states you can keep the law.

Wed, 03 Dec 2008 02:05:00 UTC | #281842

Evilcor's Avatar Comment 23 by Evilcor

Really? I haven't noticed anybody "wak[ing] up" except myself. . . and I'm a special case (having been an Atheist since '95, my politics in '01 were untenable).

No Logicel, people don't just snap out of it. Millions of Duh-mericans think Sarah Palin is swell. Millions think our rights are god-granted. Millions still believe covens of witches have babies specifically for sacrifice.

The drooling monsters may only be 1/6 of the population, but 1/3 of the rest are children and half of the remaining half think Atheists burn in hell because we deserve it.

A long row to hoe.

What I'm suggesting with my original post is that we watch for the inevitable reaction to the godless liberal bullying and remember the HUGE demographic swathe which takes it seriously.

No kidding, they think gays want to splash HIV blood on them in church; commies plotting to "ban god from the law" isn't much of a stretch.

Don't look for help from Obama, he'll be busy trying to convice Kentucky that he's not Muslim.

Wed, 03 Dec 2008 02:06:00 UTC | #281844

gazzaofbath's Avatar Comment 24 by gazzaofbath

Seen from the UK I'm not sure why going to court, to enrich a bunch of lawyers, is seen as a first step in this issue. I understand you guys can be more in favour of the legal constitutional side, especially on the critical issue of religion in schools, but like other contributors here I can see the downside publicity-wise.

How about starting with 'taking the piss' out of the clause. Satire can be a powerful weapon. I can't believe the majority of the people in the state wouldn't see the weirdness of relying upon prayers to god, as opposed to material protection, in the unlikely event of a mass assult by Al Qaeda on Kentucky!

I can only believe that the training and educational materials referred to above which push that line must be a laugh. Has anyone seen that material? It could condemn itself.

Wed, 03 Dec 2008 02:41:00 UTC | #281851

Ivan The Not So Bad's Avatar Comment 25 by Ivan The Not So Bad


I'm loving your rant.

Please tell me you waive any copyright over the term "self-serving media clusterfuck".

I do so want to use it elsewhere.

Wed, 03 Dec 2008 03:04:00 UTC | #281864

Evilcor's Avatar Comment 26 by Evilcor

Consider it yours, Ivan. . . I got a million of 'em.

Gazzaofbath has a really good point which I think I made in a previous rant somewhere. Mockery is usually a fine weapon - think Lord Byron - but in this case it might be undone by factors which might not be appreciated by non-Americans.

That is to say, much like South African Boers, the hardshell "Reg'lar 'Mercun" responds to mockery by going into laager and circling wagons.

This is an extremely adaptive meme. Criticism of Bush's insane corruption and asinine skullfuckery (that's yours too, Ivan)? "Liberal bias." Complain about melting ice caps and the impending extinction of animals we haven't even named yet? "Tree-hugger." Point out that Jesus wasn't American, and worse - if his philosophy is anything to go by he probably hates us? "Traitor."

Brits tend to use the language as a fencing master wields a foil (viz. Hitchens); Americans bludgeon with the slur as a substitute for reasoned argument.

This will work against our purpose. Comedian mocks Kentucky? "Bill Maher smokes reefer." See the problem? Pat Robertson even used that exact slur against Carl Sagan, stating explicitly that his science couldn't be trusted because he had taste enough to prefer weed to beer. No winning on that score.

Head shot, I tell you. Hole up in the mall, load spare clips, and plug away. Remember they don't go down unless you git 'em in the head.

It's the pointy thing under the hood.

Wed, 03 Dec 2008 03:27:00 UTC | #281890

flobear's Avatar Comment 28 by flobear

And the LORD called unto Moses, and spake unto him out of the tabernacle of the congregation, saying,

Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, If any state calls upon my name to fight thine enemies then they shall be blessed - unless it's not written down in fucking permanent ink as part of an actual anti-terrorism law, in which case they can all fucking rot.

Wed, 03 Dec 2008 03:32:00 UTC | #281895

sunbeamforjesus's Avatar Comment 27 by sunbeamforjesus

you really are a splendidly amusing fellow.
pip pip!

Wed, 03 Dec 2008 03:32:00 UTC | #281893

Evilcor's Avatar Comment 29 by Evilcor

Bob's yer uncle guv. Hurrah!

Wed, 03 Dec 2008 03:33:00 UTC | #281896

Laurie Fraser's Avatar Comment 30 by Laurie Fraser

Evilcor - you are the duck's guts, fair dinkum, mate.

Wed, 03 Dec 2008 03:36:00 UTC | #281899