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DiveMedic's Avatar Comment 1 by DiveMedic

It always makes me laugh a little and then cringe whenever I think of how organized the Catholic church is.

Regardless, it is always nice to see turmoil in such an organization.

Mon, 02 Feb 2009 08:56:00 UTC | #317159

Eventhorizon's Avatar Comment 2 by Eventhorizon

Taking an increasingly conservative stance in an increasingly liberal world will hopefully hasten the Roman churches demise

Mon, 02 Feb 2009 08:59:00 UTC | #317160

AllanW's Avatar Comment 3 by AllanW

Terrific stuff! Darth Ratzi will accomplish more in the next few years for our cause than we could in thirty years.

Mon, 02 Feb 2009 09:00:00 UTC | #317161

reason-first's Avatar Comment 4 by reason-first

B16's decision seems to be a deliberate provocation. He is said to have a profound knowledge of the Austrian catholic church. Nevertheless he ignored the recommendations that Austrian bishops gave for the promotion, well knowing that Wagner is a rather controversial figure.

This is B16's second dubious decision within a few days.

If Küng is right, the pope's errors will alienate him from millions of catholics. Hopefully, they will turn away from the church for good.

Mon, 02 Feb 2009 09:01:00 UTC | #317164

decius's Avatar Comment 5 by decius

He sounds like Robertson on tsunamis.

Mon, 02 Feb 2009 09:02:00 UTC | #317167

SteveN's Avatar Comment 6 by SteveN

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Pope Ratzi is one of the best weapons we have on the side of rationality. It seems that hardly a week goes by without him or his office doing or saying something so outrageous that the fence-sitters are continuously reminded how out of touch the church is with reality and even the moderate catholics must cringe with embarrassment. Keep up the good work, Ratzi!

Edit: I see that EventHorizon and AllanW are of the same opinion!

Mon, 02 Feb 2009 09:05:00 UTC | #317170

Peacebeuponme's Avatar Comment 7 by Peacebeuponme

Hey, I suggested this story from another source the other day.

Mon, 02 Feb 2009 09:05:00 UTC | #317171

SaganTheCat's Avatar Comment 9 by SaganTheCat

"It is surely not an accident that all five of New Orleans' abortion clinics, as well as nightclubs were destroyed," he wrote, adding: "It's not just any old city that has gone under, but the people's dream city with the 'best brothels and the most beautiful whores'."

this is a gift! one problem we've had with the Catholic church for years is they can sometimes come accross as a bit nice. glad they're being a bit more open now.

The Chief Rabbinate of Israel broke off official ties with the Vatican last week in protest at the decision. On Saturday Israel's minister for religious affairs threatened to suspend relations.

well they have been getting a bit pally with the muslims...

let's see you take on the might of Cathislam, Israel!

Mon, 02 Feb 2009 09:07:00 UTC | #317175

Dhamma's Avatar Comment 8 by Dhamma


Ironically I think you're right.

The last hippie pope was a godsend for catholics. Pope Benedict will show the religion's real face, which should, indeed, help us quite a bit.

Mon, 02 Feb 2009 09:07:00 UTC | #317174

liberalartist's Avatar Comment 10 by liberalartist

I passed this story along to my catholic mother and sister, both reasonable people in a ridiculous religion. Most moderate catholics must think this guy is loony - they just can't admit it. But maybe a few will admit it and start questioning all the other stuff. I can't imagine that this is going over well in Austria. I'm curious how people there are religious is Austria?

Mon, 02 Feb 2009 09:10:00 UTC | #317184

robotaholic's Avatar Comment 11 by robotaholic

they're marginalizing themselves

Mon, 02 Feb 2009 09:12:00 UTC | #317187

liberalartist's Avatar Comment 12 by liberalartist

the people's dream city with the 'best brothels and the most beautiful whores

I live just two hours from New Orleans, and I have never seen evidence that it contains the most beautiful whores. I wonder where this guy gets his information?

Mon, 02 Feb 2009 09:15:00 UTC | #317191

AllanW's Avatar Comment 14 by AllanW

SteveN and Dhamma;

Yep; this stuff just keeps getting better and better. Every religion has its extreme elements and I for one think that we need do nothing other than point out their spoken and written words. We don't need to do anything else at the moment. The target is the reasonable, moderate religite; just show them the words that their co-religionists use and watch them run for their lives.

Quoting the life and works of Haggard, Robertson, Darth Ratzi, various Imams etc is absolute gold-dust in our cause. The moderates cannot run away from the words because we are atheists, cannot run away with the 'but that's not OUR God' as it is their religious leaders speaking and cannot just ignore it because it's THEIR religion that is being dragged through the mud. They have to think about it. And more often than not they will start to question what it is they believe in; and that leads to reason.

Mon, 02 Feb 2009 09:16:00 UTC | #317193

SaganTheCat's Avatar Comment 13 by SaganTheCat


first, I apologise because I was a little shocked at the first sentence (until I got to "both reasonable people" ;0))

I made a comment to my mother the other day after Herr Ratzinger made his announcement of the human race falling into decline because the whole world's gone gay and I was glad to see she was at least admitting he's an embarrassment so we’re getting there

Mon, 02 Feb 2009 09:16:00 UTC | #317192

SOAS's Avatar Comment 15 by SOAS

"condemned the Harry Potter books for "spreading satanism".

Nice one.. ... WTF?

Mon, 02 Feb 2009 09:20:00 UTC | #317195

mmaly's Avatar Comment 16 by mmaly

The church must have lost all its will to survive.

Mon, 02 Feb 2009 09:21:00 UTC | #317196

Nastika's Avatar Comment 17 by Nastika

"I am someone who goes in search of confrontation"

How about one with an articulated lorry...?

Mon, 02 Feb 2009 09:28:00 UTC | #317205

Tzsak's Avatar Comment 18 by Tzsak

"The Pope risks losing the trust of millions of Catholics across the world."

It's fine guys, he has a direct line to God, whatever he does must be ok~

Mon, 02 Feb 2009 09:38:00 UTC | #317213

Agrajag's Avatar Comment 19 by Agrajag

12. Comment #332676 by liberalartist on February 2, 2009 at 9:15 am

I live just two hours from New Orleans, and I have never seen evidence that it contains the most beautiful whores. I wonder where this guy gets his information?

Sometimes the evidence doesn't jump in your face; you have to seek it out. Have you tried? :lol:

Mon, 02 Feb 2009 09:40:00 UTC | #317216

JFHalsey's Avatar Comment 20 by JFHalsey

"The Pope risks losing the trust of millions of Catholics across the world."

Huh' I thought the Pope was God's mouthpiece on earth, and that everything he said had to be trusted' Isn't that the whole point of the Catholic church (whereas in, say, Fundamnetal* Protestantism, they rely on the Bible's "infallibility").

Geez, if you can't trust the Pope, who can you trust'''

*that was a typo, but I liked it so I left it ^_^

Mon, 02 Feb 2009 09:43:00 UTC | #317221

Konradius's Avatar Comment 22 by Konradius

Perhaps the church is trying to connect to the base of people that actually contributes to the church?
Lots of people here in Europe say they're catholic, but they do not attend church and I wonder if any money flows into the chest.
Of course, I don't know anything about the people who do give this evil empire money...

Mon, 02 Feb 2009 09:49:00 UTC | #317234

tvictor's Avatar Comment 21 by tvictor

Katrina was the result of Harry Potter's rage at "The Purpose Driven Life".

Mon, 02 Feb 2009 09:49:00 UTC | #317233

scottishgeologist's Avatar Comment 23 by scottishgeologist

You just gotta laugh.

A minister called John Macleod unleashed a storm of protest in 2005 when he described the tsunami as Gods punishment:

Just like this catholic bishop eh. But wait, John Macleod is in the Free Presbyterian church who hate romanism

Quote from that Times article:

It is not the first time that Mr MacLeod has blamed disasters on God’s wrath. In 2001 he wrote to the Queen and Henry McLeish, then Scotland’s First Minster, and advised them that their meetings with the “blasphemous” Pope had unleashed Old Testament-style retribution on Britain in the form of floods, train crashes and the foot-and-mouth “plague”.

So they are in total agreement on one hand and detest each other at the same time....


I've got plenty more where that came from BTW. Note carefully that the Free Presbyterian Church is not the same as David Robertson's Free Church. They broke away in 1893 becasue the Free Church was going all soft and liberal......

Yes, go on, say it.... Pythonesque!!!

Mon, 02 Feb 2009 09:55:00 UTC | #317241

Jay Cee's Avatar Comment 24 by Jay Cee

Surely the pope is an atheist in disguise!

He's doing all the work for us. Gay bashing, appointing nutters...

It's all too easy.

Mon, 02 Feb 2009 10:02:00 UTC | #317245

Rosbif's Avatar Comment 25 by Rosbif

The Catholics go after Harry Potter and millions of little athiest appear all over the world.

Who said there's no god:)

Mon, 02 Feb 2009 10:08:00 UTC | #317248

Paul42's Avatar Comment 27 by Paul42


"Not very nice man in dress picks another not very nice man in dress to be one of his special friends"


By the time this comment thread runs out of steam nobody will care or remember.

Must........ Concentrate........ Big........ Picture..........


Mon, 02 Feb 2009 10:09:00 UTC | #317252

Quiddam's Avatar Comment 26 by Quiddam

"It is surely not an accident that all five of New Orleans' abortion clinics, as well as nightclubs were destroyed," he wrote, adding: "It's not just any old city that has gone under, but the people's dream city with the 'best brothels and the most beautiful whores'."

Unlike the churches, which all miraculously escaped any damage.>Just 60 percent of churches ‘functioning’ in New Orleans

Day has identified five contextual variables that he believes will influence the viability of churches in the area. These variables are the maximum wind speed at the church location, the maximum water depth at the location, community repopulation, denominational affiliation of a church, and the health of the congregation.
“Not every place in the five-parish area was flooded,” Day said. “The wind speed at the church might be a factor in it’s ability to survive particularly in combination with other factors.

Don't be all silly and sciency. Wind speed? They didn't pray hard enough.

Mon, 02 Feb 2009 10:09:00 UTC | #317251

decius's Avatar Comment 28 by decius

Comment #332732 by JAMCAM87

There is no mystery here, really.

He is just a Nazi, always been, always will be. Indoctrinated from an early age.

His official biography is embellished - he was an ardent member of the Hitler Jugend and later fought with the Wermacht. He deserted only at the very end of the conflict, when Germany was capitulating. Claims that he was an opposer of hitlerite policies are bogus.

He's also been consorting with the catholic far-right throughout his ecclesiastical career.

This is simply more of the same.

Mon, 02 Feb 2009 10:11:00 UTC | #317255

Richard Dawkins's Avatar Comment 29 by Richard Dawkins

Long live Ratzy. By the way, I wrote an article once in the same vein about his predecessor, John Paul II. The Independent at that time had a regular column called 'Heroes and Villains'. I wrote of John Paul as HERO, for exactly the reason many people on this thread are hoping Ratzo goes on from strength to strength. And do you know what those idiots at The Independent did? They clod-hoppingly spoiled the joke by saying, "Richard Dawkins on the DUBIOUS heroism of Pope John Paul II".

Heroes & Villains
Richard Dawkins, the zoologist and author, on his hero, Pope John Paul II

I recently heard a Roman Catholic nun rapturously applauded by an undergraduate audience when she expressed liberal, feminist, anti Catholic views. Her opinions themselves were unremarkable. They were those of any civilised, educated person. What she was dining out on was the fact that here was a nun with decent, intelligent opinions. She was trading on the surprise value, the shock. Naively I wondered why, given her anti-Catholic views on essentially everything, she remained a nun. It only afterwards occurred to me that, if she wasn’t a nun, nobody would pay her train fare to express her bog-standard views. To do the honest thing and leave the church would be to throw away her meal ticket, her one claim to be noticed. If she was trying to sabotage the Church from within, I apologise for impugning her motives. But in that case she was doing a less effective job than the Pope.

Pope John Paul II, that uncompromising stalwart, cuts a heroic figure by contrast to feminist nuns, atheist priests and other oxymoronic clerics who weasel the words of religion to make them mean whatever you like. The Pope doesn’t mess about. He stands foursquare by his beliefs and shows them up in all their extravagant absurdity: Virgin Birth (based on a mistranslation from Isaiah’s Hebrew); Assumption of Mary’s body into Heaven (implies that Heaven has a physical location and can accommodate physical bodies, which contradicts all modern theology, let alone science); Original Sin (God had his son executed for Adam’s crime, a noxious idea even if Adam had ever existed which, as the Pope’s own scientific advisers will confirm, he didn’t); Transubstantiation (wine turns into blood in more than a symbolic sense, so long as the officiating priest has testicles). No ordinary prelate could, with a straight face, re-prescribe such a rich diet of mediaeval baloney. In the late twentieth century, this is conspicuous folly on a heroically grand scale. Who needs an Aunt Sally when we have John Paul II?

The newspapers are full of snivelling modern Catholics, whingeing over the fact that the Pope stands up for his Catholic principles, demands obedience to himself and forbids contraception, abortion, homosexuality, embryological research and sexual enjoyment. They complain that he is illiberal, patronising, bossy, meddling, intolerant, bigoted, misogynistic, old-fashioned, dictatorial and ignorant. But what on earth do they expect? That is what the Church they have bought into is about. It always has been. If you don’t like it, leave!

If you believed in universal nationalisation and a workers’ revolution, you wouldn’t try to convert the Conservative Party to your opinions, you’d join a socialist party instead. So, if you prefer family-planning methods that work; if you favour equal rights for women; if you value the freedom to reach your own opinions; if you don’t want a celibate old Pole overseeing your private life; if, in short, you disagree with the Roman Catholic Church, don’t join it. And if you were unwittingly enrolled by your parents before you were old enough to protest, what kind of pathetic excuse is that? There’s no Inquisition nowadays. Nothing will happen to you if you leave. Get out now. Join that nice Church of England, or another Church, or none, or start your own. But don’t blame the Pope. He is only doing his authoritarian, freedom-suppressing, thought-denying job.

The Pope’s undeposable authority is the defining feature of the package you bought when you joined. In particular, if you want to be free to disobey, why, out of all the hundreds of religions available, choose the one that openly, clearly, publicly and without equivocation commits you to total obedience? Is the Pope infallible, or isn’t he? If you think so, it is perverse to question his authority, no matter how daft his views may seem. If you don’t think so, what are you doing in this Church? Stop trying to have it both ways. Shut up or get out.

John Paul II is a courageous man of rock-like character as befits his Apostolic heritage. He heroically epitomises the preposterous institution of which he is head. He is perfectly qualified to do it the gravest possible damage and is in the strongest strategic position to do so. Long may he live.

Mon, 02 Feb 2009 10:24:00 UTC | #317271

DoctorE's Avatar Comment 30 by DoctorE

The whole world is in turmoil, the pope is bulding his team of nutters

Mon, 02 Feb 2009 10:27:00 UTC | #317275