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Clairebear's Avatar Comment 1 by Clairebear

Oh right, a whole lot of truth in the bible? So there's controversy over telling someone to enjoy their life, but these people were and are allowed to advertise and condone a document that says rape and slavery are okay? Great.

Seriously, what is the POINT of bringing the bible or any specific religion or holy book into it? If they want to provide an argument for some kind of deity, they can do it without bringing any mythology into it. I mean, it's clearly directed at converting people to a specific religion, not providing an argument for perhaps some kind of deism, ultimately urging people to make up their own minds, which would be the more convincing argument.

Sun, 08 Feb 2009 16:02:00 UTC | #321464

ThomasB's Avatar Comment 2 by ThomasB

This is wonderful. I really don't see a downside to this. It continues to prove very public discussion, some of which must be very reassuring to nascent freethinkers.

Kudos to all who have donated to the campaigns!

Sun, 08 Feb 2009 16:02:00 UTC | #321465

comet halley's Avatar Comment 3 by comet halley

"Richard Dawkins, the eminent Oxford biologist and author of the bestselling book The God Delusion, takes issue with a slogan that calls non-believers fools."


Sun, 08 Feb 2009 16:09:00 UTC | #321470

mtg101's Avatar Comment 4 by mtg101

If atheists weren't allowed "There's no god...", how are they going to get away with "There definitely is a God"? I'm off to pre-emptively complain to the ASA...

Sun, 08 Feb 2009 16:15:00 UTC | #321472

chuckg's Avatar Comment 5 by chuckg

I think they are squirming and flailing about, and this has got to work against the British fundamentalists. Now for the US.

Sun, 08 Feb 2009 16:16:00 UTC | #321475

Dhamma's Avatar Comment 7 by Dhamma

I'd have to agree, ThomasB. As Dawkins says, if it makes people think, it should be to our advantage.

Really though, it's obvious religious organisations have way too much money if they can launch three separate campaigns that, by the apparent lack of originality, seem to have been made in five minutes. I'm positive I'd say that even if I were religious.

I pity the Londoners that will be bombarded with this "war" for a long time. As long as we walk out as winners it will have been worth it, though.

Sun, 08 Feb 2009 16:16:00 UTC | #321478

Chrysippus_Maximus's Avatar Comment 6 by Chrysippus_Maximus

I just noted this the other day. It's funny isn't it, the difference between a positive, self-centered message, and a negative enemy-oriented one.

Which is not to say that atheists aren't above the same stupidities... they're about equally prone, but luckily not in this case.

Sun, 08 Feb 2009 16:16:00 UTC | #321476

justncase80's Avatar Comment 8 by justncase80

Only fools believe the bible has anything relevant to say at all.

Sun, 08 Feb 2009 16:20:00 UTC | #321483

spodman's Avatar Comment 9 by spodman

"The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God.......but the wise man proclaims it to the world!"

Sun, 08 Feb 2009 16:39:00 UTC | #321495

FixReasonFirmly's Avatar Comment 10 by FixReasonFirmly

In the battle of ideas we are on firm ground,this is a good place for us. We just have to start the hole they will dig the rest for us.

Sun, 08 Feb 2009 16:45:00 UTC | #321503

jessie74's Avatar Comment 11 by jessie74

Matthew 5:22

Whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Sun, 08 Feb 2009 16:55:00 UTC | #321510

Thomas Byrne's Avatar Comment 12 by Thomas Byrne

I'm wondering if I'm just biased but, the original atheist campaign seemed like a bit of a laugh to me but, the Christian retort just seems sad and pathetic like a spray painted slogan on a red-brick wall saying "Atheism is Gay."

EDIT: As usual (grammer). I really need to learn how to proof read.

Sun, 08 Feb 2009 17:05:00 UTC | #321517

mdowe's Avatar Comment 13 by mdowe

A magazine that lists the tenth biggest religious story of 2008 as "Extraterrestrials may already be saved" is a magazine I find impossible to take seriously.

Sun, 08 Feb 2009 17:09:00 UTC | #321518

Mr0Joshua's Avatar Comment 14 by Mr0Joshua

a spokesman for the Archbishop of Genoa... "There are some methods which promote dialogue and others which feed intolerance," he said. "Head-on opposition always demonstrates intolerance."

Oh! for the day when the Catholic Church and her mouthpieces realize the irony of calling other people's views intolerant.

Sun, 08 Feb 2009 17:27:00 UTC | #321523

Quine's Avatar Comment 15 by Quine

Comment #337179 by Mr0Joshua:

Oh! for the day when the Catholic Church and her mouthpieces realize the irony of calling other people's views intolerant.

Their irony meters were surgically removed long ago.

Sun, 08 Feb 2009 17:43:00 UTC | #321528

Eshto's Avatar Comment 16 by Eshto

"Bus wars". Give me a break.

Sun, 08 Feb 2009 17:50:00 UTC | #321531

History_Junky's Avatar Comment 17 by History_Junky

The fool doth think he is wise, but the wise man knows himself to be a fool.
William Shakespeare (1564 - 1616), "As You Like It", Act 5 scene 1

(Got this quote from someone on this site)

Sun, 08 Feb 2009 17:54:00 UTC | #321533

Agrajag's Avatar Comment 18 by Agrajag

13. Comment #337173 by Animavore on February 8, 2009 at 5:05 pm

EDIT: As usual (grammer). I really need to learn how to proof read.

< pedant >
< /pedant >
I completely agree with you on the rebuttal- it's desperation at its finest! :-)

Sun, 08 Feb 2009 17:57:00 UTC | #321535

sjsh's Avatar Comment 19 by sjsh

Psalm 53: "The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God."

All this is saying is Fools are a subset of Atheists (the same way that Theists are a subset of the Deluded).

Matthew 5:22 "Whoever Says "You Fool!" Shall Be in Danger of Hell Fire"

It does not suprise me that the Trinitarian Bible Society have missed this - in my experience, Christians don't appear to have actually read the Bible - they cherry pick.

1 Thessalonians 5:21 "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good."

If the Trinitarian Bible Society were truly Christian they would discover the "whole lot of truth in the bible" does not stand up to scrutiny.

Sun, 08 Feb 2009 18:04:00 UTC | #321539

quantum_flux's Avatar Comment 20 by quantum_flux

How about "The Universe didn't just fall out of God's butt"

Sun, 08 Feb 2009 18:27:00 UTC | #321542

MutantGeneMachine's Avatar Comment 21 by MutantGeneMachine

I'm having difficulty finding a downside;
I hope all religious sects get on board
bring it

Sun, 08 Feb 2009 18:32:00 UTC | #321543

Fizzle's Avatar Comment 22 by Fizzle

I'm inclined to agree with MGM. This is so ridiculous, it can be productive.

Sun, 08 Feb 2009 18:40:00 UTC | #321544

pkruger's Avatar Comment 23 by pkruger

"The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God"

Psalm 53..AND Psalm 14.

Ask any theist why these two Psalms are for all intents and purposes identical.
You'll love the answers you'll get.

Sun, 08 Feb 2009 18:49:00 UTC | #321545

The Truth, the light's Avatar Comment 24 by The Truth, the light

Larlham dismisses the atheist's effort as futile: "As if people losing sleep over God will suddenly be fine. If you're worried about something you need something more powerful than a phrase like that to stop it. You need a change of heart and a change of life that God's words can offer."

He obviously misses the point of the Atheist campaign/slogan. Of course most religious people aren't going to read the message and suddenly give up their faith.

I see the purpose of the campaign is to normalise atheism and help remove the negative connotations that have been falsely ascribed to atheists.

Additionally it might also help closet atheists who go under the agnostic label to come out and be counted for what they really are.

Sun, 08 Feb 2009 18:50:00 UTC | #321546

Goldy's Avatar Comment 25 by Goldy

Have to laugh. Good job the atheist campaign said "Probably" :-) They can call us fools all they want but we have a get out clause :-D

Sun, 08 Feb 2009 18:53:00 UTC | #321548

amuck's Avatar Comment 26 by amuck

The last thing we as atheists want to do is complain to the ASA.

Let dogmatic xtians have there say, the more strident their response the better.

As Walt Kelly's character Pogo said, "We have seen the enemy and they is us".

We do not want to adopt the censorious ways of xtians as we risk becoming just like them.

Better to let them show them selves for exactly what they are.

Sun, 08 Feb 2009 18:54:00 UTC | #321549

kram50's Avatar Comment 28 by kram50

"Larlham dismisses the atheist's effort as futile"

Holy crap, ...if that's true Larlham, why the desperate dash to damage control'
You've had 2,000 years to convince the world of you're dogma, about futile!!

Why the "invisible power tripper" ads,...the "good book" not convincing enough'

Sun, 08 Feb 2009 19:15:00 UTC | #321551

Quine's Avatar Comment 27 by Quine

Let them do their thing, and we will move on to the next. It is going to be a long road. At every turn we will be there letting the public know that it is okay to question the unsupported "truth" put out from the pulpit.

Sun, 08 Feb 2009 19:15:00 UTC | #321550

root2squared's Avatar Comment 29 by root2squared

24. Comment #337203 by Foxy

Nice post :)

Sun, 08 Feb 2009 19:22:00 UTC | #321552

Zarlan's Avatar Comment 30 by Zarlan

I really love the title, of the article :)
I imagine a, literal, Bus War. Hilariously ridiculous.
Humour aside, it's rather overdramatic.
Then again, so are the christian responses ;)

"If more people think for themselves, we'll have fewer religious people."

Well said.

"There is God. Don't Worry. Enjoy your life!": Quite fine message. >25 buses.
"There definitely is a God, so join the Christian Party and enjoy your life." Has definitely, and advocates a specific (political!) group.
"The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God." ...'nuff said. 125 buses
The worse the message, the more buses it will be on?

Sun, 08 Feb 2009 19:29:00 UTC | #321554