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Diocletian's Avatar Comment 1 by Diocletian

This is like shooting fish in a barrel... where does one begin...

Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:04:00 UTC | #323268

Cents's Avatar Comment 2 by Cents

Again, the same rubbish that all these evangelical types spout. You would think a newspaper would be more objective.

Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:06:00 UTC | #323269

Thurston's Avatar Comment 3 by Thurston

"Darwin became infamous 150 years ago when he wrote The Origin of Species."

I think the word they are looking for is "famous" (and rightly so).

"State tax dollars are going to support the celebration of a mad scientist who infected the world with a new religion that teaches that God cannot exist."

It hurts my brain to fathom a process whereby human beings can become so dumb!!!

Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:12:00 UTC | #323270

soul_biscuit's Avatar Comment 4 by soul_biscuit

I wonder what section this garbage was printed in?

And kudos to Dawkins for speaking at Oklahoma University. His speech and Q & A at Randolph Macon University is one of my favorites, if only for the excellent rebuttals of fundie stupidity.

Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:12:00 UTC | #323271

theantitheist's Avatar Comment 5 by theantitheist

Okay, this is impressive.

To be wrong on so many things, on so many levels in such a small space.

My favourite though??

infected the world with a new religion that teaches that God cannot exist

Bloody Brilliant

Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:13:00 UTC | #323272

Thurston's Avatar Comment 6 by Thurston

The Tulsa Beacon's Wikipedia entry says that it features regular columns from Billy Graham and James "pornography causes serial-killers" Dobson. That says it all really.

Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:16:00 UTC | #323273

Goldy's Avatar Comment 7 by Goldy

Yep, the simple and gentle religious. Of course, this isn't an attack of physics, so certain contributers will maintain all is well, peace rules the land...
Agh, time for me to go home, getting all bitter and twisted here :-)

Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:17:00 UTC | #323274

j.mills's Avatar Comment 8 by j.mills

Come on, folks, move along. It's rude to stare.

Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:25:00 UTC | #323276

squinky's Avatar Comment 9 by squinky

Yes and when we say that humans have evolved intelligence and the ability to reason, we've overreached on Darwin's theory of evolution.

Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:26:00 UTC | #323277

Diocletian's Avatar Comment 10 by Diocletian

The scientific brain trust at OU will virtually ignore parallel theories of the origin of man - including Creation Science and Intelligent Design.


This IS worrisome, I would hope the University would COMPLETELY ignore Creation Science and Intelligent Design! Although scorn and ridicule would be acceptable.

Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:27:00 UTC | #323278

Russell Blackford's Avatar Comment 11 by Russell Blackford

This was good for a laugh.

Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:28:00 UTC | #323280

aegis's Avatar Comment 12 by aegis

charlesbiggs@tulsabeacon.com is the email address of The Tulsa Beacon's "publisher", which based on its look and feel isn't a major paper I'm sure.

The article read as farce; I kept waiting for the punchline. It was like reading every single bad argument and fallacy in a single text stream. Absolutely unforgivable ignorance.

With articles like :"The bad news for big daily newspapers is just beginning", it's just some half baked, wishfully thinking blogger with a *ahem* god-complex.

Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:29:00 UTC | #323281

kizumoto's Avatar Comment 13 by kizumoto

Soul Biscuit wondered " what section this garbage was printed in? "
It is a letter to the editor.
The Tulsa Beacon might not let any of its writers make these extreme statements, but allows its readers do it.
Unless someone at the Beacon actually wrote it.
The letter is not followed by the writer's name at the web site

Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:30:00 UTC | #323284

Frankus1122's Avatar Comment 15 by Frankus1122

I first read Russell Blackford's comment on the Front Page and then the article itself.

I am still giggling.

Here’s the worst aspect of this story. State tax dollars are going to support the celebration of a mad scientist who infected the world with a new religion that teaches that God cannot exist.



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

STOP IT! I can't breathe!

Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:35:00 UTC | #323286

aquilacane's Avatar Comment 14 by aquilacane

Pardon me while I reserve this spot for a sketch, front page and all.

Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:35:00 UTC | #323285

Diocletian's Avatar Comment 17 by Diocletian

Comment #338993 by kizumoto

Actually, this appears to be an editorial. At least it is listed under editorials.

http://www.tulsabeacon.com/?cat=4

Perhaps it was written by the same nutter who wrote:

http://www.tulsabeacon.com/?p=1338#more-1338

Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:41:00 UTC | #323289

troyreynolds86's Avatar Comment 16 by troyreynolds86

Wow, you really have to give the author credit for including every single defunct creationist argument in less than 600 words. He may be totally clueless but at least he can demonstrate that quickly.

Troy

Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:41:00 UTC | #323288

onanyes's Avatar Comment 18 by onanyes

Remember that this is Oklahoma: the state that elected Inhofe (who is a creationist who denies climate change).

This article is merely reflecting the ignorance of its citizens.

Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:43:00 UTC | #323290

robotaholic's Avatar Comment 19 by robotaholic

Richard Dawkins is coming here to The University of Oklahoma. I was there only one hour after the tickets were available and they were already gone. So disappointed...

Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:51:00 UTC | #323294

mind hypnotized's Avatar Comment 20 by mind hypnotized

Evolution science is not really science but a religion. That is why it cannot stand honest scrutiny or tolerate other views.


Creationism and Intelligent Design should get equal time in this huge “celebration” of Charles Darwin.


Paraphrase: Evolutionary science is a religion, and that's bad! So teach these other religious theories too!

If evolution were a type of "religion", then the solution would not be to teach other "religions" alongside it, but to scrap all of them. Even on their own terms, the fundies can't make their claims consistent.

There is a God and that belief is held by the vast majority of Oklahoma taxpayers. Withholding that truth from our students does them a disservice and damages our society.


Yeah, I don't think anyone has ever doubted that for a second, much less tried to hide it. But regardless of that, just because the money thinks God is real, doesn't make it true. I'm very ashamed to be an Oklahoman right now. Oh well, at least I also attend the apparently godless University of Oklahoma. Four years on the campus and somehow I've managed to remain completely oblivious to that.... Weird.

Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:51:00 UTC | #323295

Nick LaRue's Avatar Comment 22 by Nick LaRue

The stupid! It burns it really does!

Someone please give this person Jerry Coyne's book. Of course they won't read it but it's the thought that counts.

It is just me or is there an increase in ignorance lately? Anyone? Anyone?

Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:52:00 UTC | #323297

nogodsever's Avatar Comment 21 by nogodsever

Tulsa is home to Oral Roberts University. Enough said, I guess.

Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:52:00 UTC | #323296

squeegee's Avatar Comment 23 by squeegee

The writer of this letter obviously has no idea what he's talking about but what bothers me is the hordes of ignoramuses out there who lap this delusional nonsense up.
Would'nt it be great if a government somewhere grew a pair of balls and made an effort to [a] publicly support evolution and [b] publicly label those with "Genesis mentalities" as the dangerous brainwashers [to kids and the gullible] that they are.

Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:56:00 UTC | #323300

mind hypnotized's Avatar Comment 24 by mind hypnotized

@ Comment #339003 by robotaholic

They changed the venue to the fieldhouse, I believe, and the tickets are now useless, as it has become a first-come, first-seated type deal. Or so I have heard.

Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:56:00 UTC | #323301

deejay64's Avatar Comment 25 by deejay64

Doesn't the beacon logo look a lot like the Watchtower's?

Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:59:00 UTC | #323305

Elli's Avatar Comment 26 by Elli

Something I can't understand: please help me folks...

When someone religious attempts to disparage evolution by stating it is a religion, eg:

"Evolution science is not really science but a religion. That is why it cannot stand honest scrutiny..."

Are they not just admitting that religion is bad, and in this particular example not able to withstand honest scrutiny?

Isn't this an own-goal?

I know they want to have ID (or creationism) taught in science class, so it seems on the surface (to an idiot! however) that denigrating science as a religion is a way to put them on the same level and maybe achieve that agenda, but do they not realize they are in the process admitting that religion is dishonest, intolerant and intellectually absent?

Wed, 11 Feb 2009 20:00:00 UTC | #323306

Big City's Avatar Comment 27 by Big City

When we tell our college students that they are nothing more than animals, why do we act surprised when they act like animals?
I have to admit, by the time I got to that last line, I was snarling and foaming at the mouth.

Edit: Also, everyone should check out Wikipedia's Main Page for today. It's already loaded with our religious propaganda!

Wed, 11 Feb 2009 20:09:00 UTC | #323308

cam9976's Avatar Comment 28 by cam9976

This author honestly writes like a fifth grader... I'm not even going to try and sift through the rubbish here: it'd be like stealing candy from a baby...

Wed, 11 Feb 2009 20:13:00 UTC | #323310

squeegee's Avatar Comment 29 by squeegee

Elli,
I too am at a loss to fathom the contradictory intellectual gymnastics these people espouse.
I mean, is there a physical reason that interferes with their ability to see that what they've written is stupid?

Wed, 11 Feb 2009 20:16:00 UTC | #323311

Alternative Carpark's Avatar Comment 30 by Alternative Carpark

For a beacon, it doesn't seem all that bright.

Wed, 11 Feb 2009 20:20:00 UTC | #323313