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Ignorant Amos's Avatar Comment 1 by Ignorant Amos

Watched it this evening...outstanding!!!!

Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:08:00 UTC | #376566

Ignorant Amos's Avatar Comment 2 by Ignorant Amos

Both this weeks and last weeks episodes can be watched here for those lucky enough to have access

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/inside-natures-giants

Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:11:00 UTC | #376567

phasmagigas's Avatar Comment 3 by phasmagigas

sounds very interesting and just the type of programming to have YEC's pulling out their hair and covering their childrens ears.

Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:29:00 UTC | #376576

Casa Addams's Avatar Comment 4 by Casa Addams

If one would be a pirate one could search for "Inside.Natures.Giants.S01E01.WS.PDTV.XviD-FTP rapidshare.com" on google... but one isn't... is one?

Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:35:00 UTC | #376579

iMissDouglas's Avatar Comment 5 by iMissDouglas

When/where can we watch this in the states?

Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:35:00 UTC | #376580

j.mills's Avatar Comment 6 by j.mills

Brilliant TV! Very 'visceral'! Geddit?

Sensible use of clear computer graphics, nothing to argue with in the commentary, fascinating stuff.

Richard seems to have played it safe, dressing in a cosy anorak even though he's clearly in a nice warm studio...

Gonna watch the heffalump one now.

EDIT: Done that! That was excellent too. How come most of the veterinary students are cute young ladies?

Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:59:00 UTC | #376586

Carl Sai Baba's Avatar Comment 7 by Carl Sai Baba

Dennett... Sapolsky... Dawkins... Hitchens... so much good stuff.

If I told someone I had several gigabytes of downloaded videos on my PC, they would probably think I meant porn.

Mon, 06 Jul 2009 18:55:00 UTC | #376600

robotaholic's Avatar Comment 8 by robotaholic

blowing bloody intestines in the wind...eww- is it really gross?

Mon, 06 Jul 2009 21:42:00 UTC | #376619

ColdFusionLazarus's Avatar Comment 9 by ColdFusionLazarus

It's a pity this program is on at 9pm. I suppose it will seem a bit grotesque to some people, but I've watched both episodes with my whole family and it's been really interesting TV for all of us. It really pushes home the message that evolution is true and that each species has a series of fudge engineering solutions (because it's always had to build on what it had beforehand). At the end of the whale program they find the useless leg bones that are hidden within its body and serve no purpose to its existence.

The religious people must be truly appauled at the "lies" being spread here. Good stuff.

Mon, 06 Jul 2009 23:34:00 UTC | #376626

MQuinn's Avatar Comment 10 by MQuinn

Can't watch the program over here in the good ol' USA. That's nice. Once again we "yanks" are screwed. I guess I'm stuck watching "UFO Files" or "A Haunting"--typical American pap...

Tue, 07 Jul 2009 00:09:00 UTC | #376630

gcdavis's Avatar Comment 11 by gcdavis

Zero educational value, minimal entertainment! What was the point? The programmes last year on human autopsies were very informative and had a point; this programme showed a women climbing around in a whales intestines, so what! Lets hope the others are more interesting than a beached whale

Tue, 07 Jul 2009 00:27:00 UTC | #376634

wouldbesakota's Avatar Comment 12 by wouldbesakota

AURRGG! I really hate being an American. I can't even watch uber-neat stuff here!

Tue, 07 Jul 2009 00:27:00 UTC | #376635

mark8's Avatar Comment 13 by mark8

Inside Nature's Giants: A gory attempt to disprove 'intelligent design' theories

A new Channel 4 series shows the dissection of giant animals. Ajesh Patalay reports.


Of the many extraordinary sights revealed in Channel 4’s upcoming four-part series Inside Nature’s Giants, which uses dissection to take us inside the bodies of an elephant, giraffe and crocodile, the most remarkable is surely afforded by an autopsy carried out on a 65-foot long, 60-ton fin whale (a species second only in size to the blue whale) beached off the coast of Ireland.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/5613900/Inside-Natures-Giants-A-gory-attempt-to-disprove-intelligent-design-theories.html

Tue, 07 Jul 2009 01:37:00 UTC | #376649

Flapjack's Avatar Comment 14 by Flapjack

Tue, 07 Jul 2009 02:02:00 UTC | #376656

Brokendoll's Avatar Comment 15 by Brokendoll

Damn these fictional borders.
"Only viewable in the UK..."

:(

Tue, 07 Jul 2009 02:07:00 UTC | #376658

Ignorant Amos's Avatar Comment 16 by Ignorant Amos

11. Comment #393985 by gcdavis on July 7, 2009 at 1:27 am

I'm sorry gcdavis, these two programmes may have had zero educational value for you, I don't know your background, perhaps your knowledge of evolution and the biology of these critters is extensive enough to moot any learning in watching the shows, but I for one picked up lots of knew stuff from the programmes.

Entertainment value....where and when am I ever likely to see the likes of this again....I was gobbsmacked at some of the facts and if seeing a whales intestine explode all over the place isn't entertaining, then what is???

I'm not trying to be critical of your comment, well I suppose I am really, but I would like to think that most people watching these programmes will learn something and it was entertaining even if only for the gore factor.

Tue, 07 Jul 2009 02:44:00 UTC | #376667

ahmunnaeetchoo's Avatar Comment 17 by ahmunnaeetchoo

Well i enjoyed that, it's unfortunate that you can't be as thorough in the situation the whale was in but many key organs where shown and explained. The way it swims using it's jaw muscles was fascinating. I would have liked more depth covering the heart, lungs, bone structure etc. But as something shown as edutainment you can't complain.

In response to that Telegraph article, why should anything to do with evolution exist only as an attack on creationism? Obviously so the article gets more readers, it's just pathetically transparent. Creationism isn't even worth a mention when you're showing the useless rear legs on a whale, forget the conflict and just enjoy a fascination with evolution.

Tue, 07 Jul 2009 02:59:00 UTC | #376673

Nozzer's Avatar Comment 18 by Nozzer

Fascinating, enjoyable and educational (the whale's redundant hind legs;closest living relative is hippo etc). Plus great to see and hear RD give his tuppence worth. Must see tv.

Tue, 07 Jul 2009 03:17:00 UTC | #376683

anunseenruler's Avatar Comment 19 by anunseenruler

Nature has a football team?

Tue, 07 Jul 2009 04:17:00 UTC | #376734

Fizzle's Avatar Comment 20 by Fizzle

Dammit! Stingy brits!

Tue, 07 Jul 2009 05:04:00 UTC | #376765

gcdavis's Avatar Comment 21 by gcdavis

16. Comment #394018 by Ignorant Amos
Exploding whale poo great for YouTube. The token interventions from the Prof were interesting but the amount of information gleaned from the 50 minutes or however long it was could have been covered in 5, I guess I have been spoilt by 30 years of watching Attenborough! I hope the others will be better.

Tue, 07 Jul 2009 05:34:00 UTC | #376774

j.mills's Avatar Comment 22 by j.mills

gcdavis, note that the elephant one (episode 1) is already available if you dig around on the same site. Only the whale one takes place in those unfortunate circumstances: the others are in a lecture hall.

And speaking personally, much as I love Attenborough, I sometimes found his programmes 'info-diluted'. These programmes are at least showing us something new and biologically interesting, rather than just pretty.

Tue, 07 Jul 2009 05:51:00 UTC | #376786

Ignorant Amos's Avatar Comment 23 by Ignorant Amos

21. Comment #394126 by gcdavis on July

Horses for courses then I guess.....no problemo!!!

Tue, 07 Jul 2009 06:08:00 UTC | #376794

CanadianRealist's Avatar Comment 24 by CanadianRealist

All our ancestors came from the sea and obviously went through great trouble to leave the sea and radically change to live on land.

Some of them, whales, sealions, penguins, turtles, went back into the sea which would seem to undo a lot of hard research and development and the need to reverse it.


I remember being quite surprised when I learned that whales etc. were descended from land animals which had returned to the sea. It is a very good example of the fact that evolution doesn't have a direction, or a final goal.

I find the phrasing of the second sentence to be quite strange, especially the phrase "a lot of hard research and development". Does it really make sense to say that natural selection performs research?

Tue, 07 Jul 2009 06:50:00 UTC | #376816

bluebird's Avatar Comment 25 by bluebird

...only viewable in the UK---O.K.
To paraphrase Austin Powers- "turn on the t.v., to the PBS, yeah!". Second episode of Nova scienceNow airs 7/7:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/sciencenow/

Tue, 07 Jul 2009 06:53:00 UTC | #376817

Quetzalcoatl's Avatar Comment 26 by Quetzalcoatl

CanadianRealist-

I think it means research in the sense of finding out what works over millions of years. Of course the processes involved are blind and without a plan. It could perhaps be better phrased.

Tue, 07 Jul 2009 06:53:00 UTC | #376818

TheLordHumungus's Avatar Comment 27 by TheLordHumungus

British documentaries are awful! Watch and learn from the colonies you losers!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrENJ4EQjMY

Tue, 07 Jul 2009 07:45:00 UTC | #376845

Jos Gibbons's Avatar Comment 28 by Jos Gibbons

Comment #394168 by CanadianRealist

Dawkins is probably bothering the R&D metaphor from Dennett, who uses it (abbreviated like that) extensively in his book Darwin's Dangerous Idea.

Tue, 07 Jul 2009 08:23:00 UTC | #376855

louis14's Avatar Comment 29 by louis14

I've watched both the programs now and have found them very educational. The elephant one was perhaps better, because they had all the time they needed and they weren't battling fading light, high tides and terrible weather.

But I certainly learned stuff (and I'm an avid watcher of BBC wildlife documentaries). For instance, the whale's evolutionary inheritance showing up in it's three stomachs. Not needed for digesting fish, but a hangover from it's land mammal ancestry.

I think it's funny that Dawkins' was filmed for his contribution obviously in a studio, but was kitted out in all weather gear like the poor sods on that beach.

Excellent stuff, and I'm looking forward to the rest of the series.

Tue, 07 Jul 2009 08:43:00 UTC | #376858

David Lambie's Avatar Comment 30 by David Lambie

To those across the pond having trouble viewing restricted videos...

Could you try using a proxy program such as Hotspot Shield, perhaps?

David

Tue, 07 Jul 2009 12:04:00 UTC | #376884