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pipsy's Avatar Comment 1 by pipsy

The last person to take advice on the ideal environment to raise children is a member of the Catholic Clergy. As for their attitude towards condoms and AIDS prevention, they show total ignorance as to what promotes the common good.

Sun, 23 Aug 2009 10:56:00 UTC | #390741

Dax's Avatar Comment 2 by Dax

*sigh* I'm getting tired of the same old crap. Proof me that same-sex marriages are indeed damaging to society, and that children in a same-sex marriages are indeed worse off, and then we'll talk.

Oh, and just a side note: the "worse off" and "damaging" parts should, in no way, be related to actions undertaken by the god fan club. For instance, I once heard the argument that children will be bullied and ostracized because of gay parents, but that's not an argument against gay partnerships/marriages/parents. That's an argument against bigotry.

Oh, no evidence? Well, then STFU!

Sun, 23 Aug 2009 11:01:00 UTC | #390742

NewEnglandBob's Avatar Comment 3 by NewEnglandBob

Primate of All Ireland


Does that mean head baboon or monkey-in-charge?

No one listens to guys in silly origami-like hats who use eagle podiums and take vows of poverty but live in huge cathedrals.

Sun, 23 Aug 2009 11:11:00 UTC | #390746

Imroy's Avatar Comment 4 by Imroy

A man who cannot marry or have sex is telling other people who they can marry and have sex with. Right.

Sun, 23 Aug 2009 11:27:00 UTC | #390750

Metch's Avatar Comment 5 by Metch

Why do so many religious leaders refuse to put away their ancient costumes?

Sun, 23 Aug 2009 11:43:00 UTC | #390752

TIKI AL's Avatar Comment 6 by TIKI AL

How sad that Cardinal Brady has no interest in improving the lives of priests and choir boys who cohabitate.

Sun, 23 Aug 2009 11:48:00 UTC | #390753

MrPickwick's Avatar Comment 7 by MrPickwick

This ignoramus should read some history... among other things...

comments 5 by Metch; this is why: "If God does not exist and my beliefs are a pile of crap this fancy hat I'm wearing is surely idiotic and ridiculous in the highest degree. Ergo, God exists and my beliefs are true."

Sun, 23 Aug 2009 12:39:00 UTC | #390756

Raiko's Avatar Comment 8 by Raiko

What other institution in the world can actually stand on a podium and declare "We're against equality!" - while their speaker is in a carneval costume?

And yet another sick example of the Catholic church trying to force their intolerant, outdated views onto the public, invoking imaginary science.

Sun, 23 Aug 2009 12:59:00 UTC | #390759

TIKI AL's Avatar Comment 9 by TIKI AL

"Why do so many religious leaders refuse to put away their ancient costumes?" (Metch @ 5)

I attribute this to post Halloween lazyness.
They probably leave their Christmas lights up all year too.

Sun, 23 Aug 2009 13:00:00 UTC | #390760

Net's Avatar Comment 10 by Net

"Hugely change people's concepts of the family"? One would certainly hope so! And how does an old, celibate man know what sort of environment is best for raising children? Surely he doesn't mean catholic schools run by pedophile clergy! And, I suppose by "common good" he means what catholicism defines as good? This old, pampered, out of touch man is hardly in any position to tell us anything about living, least of all about loving each other and raising children!

Sun, 23 Aug 2009 13:10:00 UTC | #390761

Raiko's Avatar Comment 11 by Raiko

Metch, TIKI AL - I think the unwillingness to put away their outdated costumes goes hand in hand with the unwillingness to drop their outdated views.

But why they keep those, I cannot say.

Sun, 23 Aug 2009 13:12:00 UTC | #390763

prettygoodformonkeys's Avatar Comment 12 by prettygoodformonkeys

Well, the first step is admitting you're a primate.

Let's try to work with that...

Sun, 23 Aug 2009 13:14:00 UTC | #390764

Prankster's Avatar Comment 13 by Prankster

From the article :-

"In his homily this evening, Dr Brady said marriage between a man and a woman will always remain the ideal environment in which to raise children.

He said any government which undermines such an environment could hardly be said to be promoting the common good."

Utter shite. As a straight man, (which has litle bearing on the matter I know), I have absolutely no problems about civil partnerships or gay marriages, whatever the designation or label. I only wish that the church and in particular archaic old duffers like this, and the fossilised religious beliefs he spouts on about, would kindly do everyone a favour and gently fuck off into the oblivion they both richly deserve.

Imroy says it best above-how can a celibate male tell anyone who they can or can't marry-bishops and clergy really piss me off with crap like this-pricks!

Sun, 23 Aug 2009 13:25:00 UTC | #390768

Follow Peter Egan's Avatar Comment 14 by Follow Peter Egan

Bigoted fuckwits wear silly hats, oppose equality and tell people they must live their lives on the basis of their interpretation of a myth a few millennia old.

Why people take them seriously or believe that these people have anything to say on moral matters - that's the real mystery.

Sun, 23 Aug 2009 14:08:00 UTC | #390780

godless_hoor's Avatar Comment 15 by godless_hoor

The ink has barely dried on the Ryan Report, which published details of the systematic physical and sexual abuse of tens of thousands of Irish children by the Catholic Church.

The cheek of these men to preach to us about the best environment to bring up children. The bastards make my skin crawl.

Sun, 23 Aug 2009 14:14:00 UTC | #390781

tenorino's Avatar Comment 16 by tenorino

@Comment #408442 by NewEnglandBob



couldn't resist

Sun, 23 Aug 2009 14:15:00 UTC | #390782

Stella's Avatar Comment 17 by Stella

HA

Sun, 23 Aug 2009 14:22:00 UTC | #390784

Tyler Durden's Avatar Comment 18 by Tyler Durden

What complete bollocks!

"In his homily this evening, Dr Brady said marriage between a man and a woman will always remain the ideal environment in which to raise children."
Because of course only heterosexual couples make decent parents. Like those of "Baby P". Or Shannon Matthews. Or Alisha Allen.

Sun, 23 Aug 2009 14:27:00 UTC | #390785

Nunbeliever's Avatar Comment 19 by Nunbeliever

This is a good example of why religions even in the western world is still a huge threat to a modern liberal society. Notice that the cardinal is NOT talking against christian marriage but a CIVIL PARTNERSHIP. According to him not only christians have to follow the christian dogma. Rather his dogmatic principles should apply to EVERYONE! This is VERY disturbing. Let's take a look at what he is saying.

...marriage between a man and a woman will always remain the ideal environment in which to raise children.


What an arrogant statement. I could accept it if he would say that according to the bible marriage between a man and woman will always remain the ideal environmen in which to raise children. But NO. Now he is gladly trespassing into the domain of science. He does not even bother to give us any evidence that this is the case. No studies. No nothing! Just an arrogant statement revealing the cardinals own discriminatory opinions. I just want to vomit.

Sun, 23 Aug 2009 14:40:00 UTC | #390786

Stonyground's Avatar Comment 20 by Stonyground

Comment No. 3 by Newenglandbob. People do listen to these ill informed idiots that is the problem. Once everyone stops listening, his inane ramblings will become irrelevant.

Sun, 23 Aug 2009 14:47:00 UTC | #390787

irate_atheist's Avatar Comment 21 by irate_atheist

They should hang a sign outside the primate's residence:

"Do not feed the animals."

My usual epithet applies to this self-righteous, self-deluded, hypocritical, wilfully ignorant cretin.

Sun, 23 Aug 2009 14:48:00 UTC | #390788

Tyler Durden's Avatar Comment 22 by Tyler Durden

marriage between a man and a woman will always remain the ideal environment in which to raise children. [my emphasis]
And it seems, he can also see into the future!?!?!

Sun, 23 Aug 2009 14:57:00 UTC | #390791

Rikitiki13's Avatar Comment 23 by Rikitiki13

But of course he knows what’s best for children: he dresses-up like a child,, likely loves to play with children, fervently believes in fairy tales like a child, and obviously (like a child) thinks his opinion is the only one that matters.

Sun, 23 Aug 2009 15:13:00 UTC | #390797

Steve Zara's Avatar Comment 24 by Steve Zara

Cardinal Sean Brady.

Biological qualifications: None.

Psychological qualifications: None.

So he is talking out of his arse because he thinks he has a spiritual chip in his head that allows God's voice to talk to him.

If someone said that gays are bad because the Venusians had sad so, they would be laughed at and possibly then talked to kindly by psychological heath workers.

So why is this idiot given a platform?

Sun, 23 Aug 2009 15:22:00 UTC | #390803

Peacebeuponme's Avatar Comment 25 by Peacebeuponme

Cardinal Brady also said those who refuse to officiate at a same sex wedding would be guilty of offence and described this as 'an alarming attack on the fundamental principle of freedom of religion and conscience.'

He said the legislation leaves the door open for individuals and religious organisations to be sued in a variety of ways for 'upholding their belief that marriage is an institution exclusively for men and women'.
Utter cock cheese.

Does he not realise how backward it is to suggest that campaigning against gay marriage is somehow a point for freedom of conscience?

Uphold your beliefs as you wish, moron, but kindly stop trying to dictate how others should conduct their lives.

Sun, 23 Aug 2009 15:40:00 UTC | #390810

lostexpectation's Avatar Comment 26 by lostexpectation

more details of what he said

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/cardinal-slams-gay-weddings-1867305.html

He said the people of Ireland would soon have to choose to "stand clearly on the side of Christ or depart from him".

The cardinal claimed that "what the Government is planning will hugely change people's concept of the family. Nevertheless, marriage between a man and a woman will always remain the ideal environment in which to raise children.

"Any government that undermines such an environment could hardly be said to be promoting the common good".

He said that during the next Dail term politicians and citizens will be asked to make a fundamental choice about the future of marriage and the family in Ireland.

"They will be asked to approve legislation and policy which, among other things, will make same-sex partnerships equal in status to marriage, with the same benefits in tax and welfare as married couples -- the only difference being the right to adopt-- will give cohabiting same-sex, or opposite-sex, partners the same status as marriage, after they have lived together for a short period, will remove 'marital status' from key legislation and public documentation and replace it with 'civil status', thus directly challenging the constitutional recognition that marriage is 'a moral institution possessing inalienable and imprescriptible rights, antecedent and superior to all positive law'."

- Willie Kealy

Sun, 23 Aug 2009 16:11:00 UTC | #390820

kraut's Avatar Comment 27 by kraut

The representative of a religious cult that blames the countless children abused by their officials, that fights tooth and nail to avoid being held accountable, this "old men's bumfuckers" club that wrought violent oppression through the centuries by their various affiliated orders, has to be shut up once and for all.
To still have to hear idiotic comments from the "leaders" of this cult is almost unbearable.

Sun, 23 Aug 2009 16:40:00 UTC | #390836

BlueCollar8theist's Avatar Comment 28 by BlueCollar8theist

The man is an ass, and an ill-informed ass at that. Years back, during a college course, we were called upon to write a paper defending (or opposing, at our choice) the rights for homosexual couples to adopt or have children.
I took the stance in defense, and Im glad that I did. I learned a staggering amount of information showing that children who had grown up with homosexual parents are actually better off than children born in 'traditional' families, in many respects. And if this information was readily available back then, imagine how much is out there now! Willful ignorance and stupidity...

Sun, 23 Aug 2009 17:35:00 UTC | #390848

Ivan The Not So Bad's Avatar Comment 29 by Ivan The Not So Bad

As Oscar Wilde might have put it:

"There is no such thing as gay parents or straight parents. There are good parents and there are bad parents and that is all".

Sun, 23 Aug 2009 17:40:00 UTC | #390850

j.mills's Avatar Comment 30 by j.mills

Lemme see. Marriage is a sacred institution between a man and a woman. Therefore two men cannot be 'married' in the eyes of god. Therefore a gay 'wedding' is theologically impossible, whatever words are said and papers signed. So what 'sin' is committed by officiating at a ceremony that has no theological effect?

You can't on the one hand claim that same-sex marriages can't happen, and on the other hand complain that a 'civil partnership' is a same-sex wedding.

lostexpectation offers us the cardinal claiming that:

They will be asked to approve legislation and policy which, among other things, will make same-sex partnerships equal in status to marriage, with the same benefits in tax and welfare as married couples -- the only difference being the right to adopt
So if they don't have the right to adopt, why is he blithering on about the 'ideal environment in which to raise children'? (Like he'd know.)

(EDIT: And while we're at it, as usual we see the moral cowardice of a clergyman willing to hide behind the figleaf of biblical verses to vindicate his prejudices, whilst ignoring those parts of the same verses that he knows he can't get away with. God says in Leviticus 20:13:
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Why isn't the cardinal calling for male homosexuals to be killed?)

Sun, 23 Aug 2009 17:42:00 UTC | #390852