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Ignorant Amos's Avatar Comment 1 by Ignorant Amos


Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:38:00 UTC | #396900

Ignorant Amos's Avatar Comment 2 by Ignorant Amos

This has to fall into the category of crimes against must be time for action. Waiting to hear from the UN....but I won't be holding my breath.

Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:41:00 UTC | #396904

cerad's Avatar Comment 3 by cerad

Well good for them. As long as the law is only enforced against women then I don't see a problem.

Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:42:00 UTC | #396905

liberalartist's Avatar Comment 4 by liberalartist

About 90% of Indonesia's 235 million people are Muslim, practicing a moderate form of the religion.

Not so moderate anymore, it seems.

Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:45:00 UTC | #396908

green and dying's Avatar Comment 5 by green and dying

"The law also imposes severe sentences for rape, homosexuality, alcohol consumption and gambling. "

One of these is not like the others.

Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:47:00 UTC | #396909

SRWB's Avatar Comment 6 by SRWB


Is it£ You just know that it was only a matter of time before some jurisdiction went this way! It's not surprising at all considering the agitation taking place in some parts of the world for this nonsense!

Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:59:00 UTC | #396910

Ygern's Avatar Comment 7 by Ygern

Revealing quote:

"This law is a preventive measure for Acehnese people so that they will avoid moral degradation," said Moharriyadia, a spokesman for the Prosperous Justice Party.

It is quite a bizarre idea that you can make someone moral by threatening them with death.

But seeing as the more moderate Aceh party is now in the majority, I hope they will be able to reverse this horrific law. However, no matter what the law is, you just know that certain pious individuals will take it upon themselves to mete out this brand of justice to people they decide "deserve" it in the months and years to come.

Mon, 14 Sep 2009 14:04:00 UTC | #396911

Ignorant Amos's Avatar Comment 8 by Ignorant Amos

6. Comment #414979 by SRWB

I suppose on reflection....its not unbelieveable.

Mon, 14 Sep 2009 14:10:00 UTC | #396914

hungarianelephant's Avatar Comment 9 by hungarianelephant

7. Comment #414980 by Ygern

It is quite a bizarre idea that you can make someone moral by threatening them with death.

Yes it is. The argument isn't usually couched in those terms, though. Usually, it's the notion that by criminalising the already degenerate, you can prevent harm to those who are weak and corruptible, but not yet corrupted. No evidence is required for this proposition. Mere assertion is sufficient. Basically, it's the same as the argument for banning video games.

An interesting variant on this is current in the US Supreme Court. Justice Scalia is on record defending the right of state legislatures to make up new rules intruding on people's private lives to support "traditional morality". Exactly how this is supposed to work is not specified; nor does he find it necessary to explain why "traditional morality" somehow never found legal expression until a bunch of superannuated kindergarten leaders took it upon themselves to write it.

Mon, 14 Sep 2009 14:16:00 UTC | #396917

Border Collie's Avatar Comment 10 by Border Collie

Always nice waking up to progress.

Mon, 14 Sep 2009 14:43:00 UTC | #396923

Follow Peter Egan's Avatar Comment 11 by Follow Peter Egan

Allah must be delighted.

Sharia law was partially introduced in Aceh in 2001, as part of a government offer to pacify separatist rebels.

Well that makes it all all right then, doesn't it?

Comment #414976 by liberalartist Not so moderate anymore, it seems.

As usual, it's the moderates who are the losers. They're just not doing religion properly, you see.

Mon, 14 Sep 2009 14:51:00 UTC | #396928

PERSON's Avatar Comment 12 by PERSON

"7. Comment #414980 by Ygern
It is quite a bizarre idea that you can make someone moral by threatening them with death."
To a liberal or moderate left-winger, yes. Perhaps someone sympathetic to some but not all right-wing ideas. But it's quite natural to common conservative instincts; purity of identity, purity of the group, justice by vengeance and particularly justice through conformity all enforce the idea. It's also justifiable within some left-wing systems of thought, though they've pretty much gone now.

Remember, that is exactly what many of the, say, Texans who support the death penalty believe.

Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:02:00 UTC | #396935

Hasan's Avatar Comment 14 by Hasan

If I recall correctly, it was perhaps Hitchens who said somewhere to the effect that reason is only going to occupy a small chapter in the history of ideas/or the way human affairs are conducted, inlcuding past, present and future. Acts/news like this one further enforce this distressing notion.

Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:07:00 UTC | #396937

keddaw's Avatar Comment 13 by keddaw

Adultery is, in my opinion, nothing more than a breach of contract. And that's only for the married person, the 3rd man (and it'll almost always be a man in these countries) has done NOTHING wrong.

You cannot have a serious discourse with a country that has the death penalty for something we don't even consider a crime.

Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:07:00 UTC | #396936

mrjohnno's Avatar Comment 15 by mrjohnno

Nuke the entire region

Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:10:00 UTC | #396938

Quetzalcoatl's Avatar Comment 16 by Quetzalcoatl


How about we don't nuke the entire country of Indonesia because of the actions of the lawmakers of one province, hmm?

Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:20:00 UTC | #396939

mrjohnno's Avatar Comment 17 by mrjohnno

There is that I suppose

Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:23:00 UTC | #396940

Gnu Atheist's Avatar Comment 18 by Gnu Atheist

I say nuke them all and let God sort 'em out!


OK, just kidding.

Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:35:00 UTC | #396942

Dr. Strangegod's Avatar Comment 19 by Dr. Strangegod

Might I suggest these poor fools watch some episodes of Californication? Could do them some good.

Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:52:00 UTC | #396946

Steve Zara's Avatar Comment 20 by Steve Zara

Adultery is, in my opinion, nothing more than a breach of contract. And that's only for the married person, the 3rd man (and it'll almost always be a man in these countries) has done NOTHING wrong.

The third party has done nothing that should be the subject of law. But making a decision to get involved in a relationship that will involve deception and possible hurt a to another person is ethically not that great.

Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:55:00 UTC | #396948

AtheistYeti's Avatar Comment 21 by AtheistYeti

I'd have to agree that this could qualify as a "crime against Humanity.

Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:03:00 UTC | #396950

Scot Rafkin's Avatar Comment 22 by Scot Rafkin

If they're not careful, god is likely to smite them with a natural disaster, like a tsunami. Oh, wait...

Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:05:00 UTC | #396951

Richard Dawkins's Avatar Comment 23 by Richard Dawkins

How dare you interfere with their culture? Obviously these people should be allowed to follow their own customs, without interference from Islamophobic imperialists. In any case, I expect only SOME women will be stoned for the crime of being raped. And even they will almost certainly deserve it, as they surely wouldn't have been raped if they hadn't shown an inch of bare wrist or ankle, or if they hadn't left the house unaccompanied by a male relative.


Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:13:00 UTC | #396955

scottie0904's Avatar Comment 24 by scottie0904

This kind of thing makes me sick.

When will people wake up?

We should have grown out of such god-like behaviour by now!


Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:23:00 UTC | #396958

George Lennan's Avatar Comment 26 by George Lennan

Hmm, I don't know Richard, I'm starting to think maybe stoning is a bit harsh for the latter crime. Maybe a humane bullet to the back of the head is more appropriate, after all there's shopping to be done and kids to be picked up from school.

Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:24:00 UTC | #396960

SaintStephen's Avatar Comment 25 by SaintStephen

17. Comment #415011 by mrjohnno on September 14, 2009 at 4:23 pm

17. Comment #415011 by mrjohnno on September 14, 2009 at 4:23 pm

There is that I suppose
I nominate this comment for humorous reply of the day.

Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:24:00 UTC | #396959

Ian (South Africa)'s Avatar Comment 27 by Ian (South Africa)


You are GreenlandSue from CIF.

I claim my £5.00

Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:25:00 UTC | #396961

SaintStephen's Avatar Comment 28 by SaintStephen

23. Comment #415026 by Richard Dawkins on September 14, 2009 at 5:13 pm

Richard must be feeling quite well to pen such poker-faced parody.

Maybe it's because his new book is a major success. Bravo, Richard.

Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:27:00 UTC | #396962

Gregg Townsend's Avatar Comment 29 by Gregg Townsend

Yikes! They sure have a lot of 'stones' to pass such a horrific law.

Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:32:00 UTC | #396963

jcob82's Avatar Comment 30 by jcob82

I wonder if this law will hurt the thriving teenage prostitution industry that is occurring in Aceh. According to the United Arab Emirates based newspaper Gulf News hundreds of teenage girls are soliciting themselves in Aceh. What are the chances of there being no double standard and seeing a man stoned to death for visiting one of these teenage orphan girls?

Mon, 14 Sep 2009 17:00:00 UTC | #396968