Intelligence Squared debate: Catholics humiliated by Christopher Hitchens and Stephen Fry
By ANDREW M BROWN - TELEGRAPHA.CO.UK
Added: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 23:00:00 UTC
I have just witnessed a rout – tonightâs Intelligence Squared debate. It considered the motion âThe Catholic Church is a force for good in the worldâ. Christopher Hitchens and Stephen Fry, opposing the motion, comprehensively trounced Archbishop Onaiyekan (of Abuja, Nigeria) and Ann Widdecombe, who spoke for it. The archbishop in particular was hopeless.
The voting gives a good idea of how it went. Before the debate, for the motion: 678. Against: 1102. Donât know: 346. This is how it changed after the debate. For: 268. Against: 1876. Donât know: 34. In other words, after hearing the speakers, the number of people in the audience who opposed the motion increased by 774. My friend Simon, whoâs a season ticket holder, said it was the most decisive swing against a motion that he could remember.
The problem (from the Catholic point of view) was that the speakers arguing for the Church as a force for good were hopelessly outclassed by two hugely popular, professional performers. The archbishop had obviously decided that it would work best if he stuck to facts and figures and presented the Church as a sort of vast charitable or âsocial welfareâ organisation. He emphasised how many Catholics there were in the world, and that even included âheads of stateâ, he said, as if that was a clincher. But he said virtually nothing of a religious or spiritual nature as far as I could tell, and non-Catholics would have been none the wiser about what you might call the transcendent aspects of the Church. Then later when challenged he became painfully hesitant. In the end he mumbled and spluttered and retreated into embarrassing excuses and evasions. He repeatedly got Ann Widdecombeâs name wrong. The hostility of both the audience and his opponents seemed to have discomfited him.
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