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RichardofYork's Avatar Comment 1 by RichardofYork

Well we can't suffer a witch to live ,it says that in my bible

Wed, 25 Nov 2009 11:59:00 UTC | #416405

wthorlay's Avatar Comment 3 by wthorlay

Saudi Arabia is one of the good allies of the American Government. Nevertheless is one of the most violent dictatorship in the world.

Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:06:00 UTC | #416407

Pete.K's Avatar Comment 2 by Pete.K

Believing in an imaginary god is bad enough, but taking a life because you believe in witchcraft is pure insanity.

Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:06:00 UTC | #416406

lackofgravitas's Avatar Comment 4 by lackofgravitas

Oh, the irony. Never saw that coming did he?

Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:11:00 UTC | #416410

Inside centre's Avatar Comment 5 by Inside centre

As part of the stupidity of this witchcraft law, would they put to death an astronomer for accurately predicting the future by saying when the next solar eclipse will be? Or a science teacher for 'predicting' what colour a strip of litmus paper will go in a glass of water?

Ironically, in Civil War Britain, the main fight against witchcraft trials was conducted by a priest horrified by Matthew Hopkins' methods. I can't imagine something similar happening with the Wahhabi Clerics in Saudi Arabia.

Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:28:00 UTC | #416415

God fearing Atheist's Avatar Comment 6 by God fearing Atheist

WTF! They are mad I tell you, MAD!

Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:31:00 UTC | #416416

keddaw's Avatar Comment 7 by keddaw

I want to see the proof that he was able to perform any kind of witchcraft.

Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:38:00 UTC | #416418

Gridman's Avatar Comment 8 by Gridman

So... I guess it's a good thing the weather is dry and unchanging in Saudi Arabia as predicting the weather on the evening news is obviously witchcraft, too.

Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:51:00 UTC | #416420

rod-the-farmer's Avatar Comment 9 by rod-the-farmer

Let us all say together

"You could not make this stuff up".

Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:07:00 UTC | #416429

Adrian Bartholomew's Avatar Comment 10 by Adrian Bartholomew

7. Comment #434823 by keddaw on November 25, 2009 at 12:38 pm
I want to see the proof that he was able to perform any kind of witchcraft.
Just attempting magic is enough whether it works or not isn’t really the point. Wave a fake gun at an American cop and see what happens to you.

My sympathy with this guy is pretty limited. Pretending to have mystical powers in a country that puts people for death for it is just plain dumb and the way I see it is there will be one less woo merchant in the world. I suspect if the situation was reversed and it was the “witches” that had the political power they’d probably be executing religionists.

I know I am being a bit harsh (not as harsh as a death penalty!) but my concerns are more for all those people being arrested and executed for political reasons using witchcraft laws to make the killings palatable to the public.

Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:17:00 UTC | #416435

Nunbeliever's Avatar Comment 11 by Nunbeliever

Maybe we should consult the United Nations Human Rights Council?

Oh I forgot, according to the UNHRC the only important aspect of "freedom of religion" is to prevent blasphemy.

In other words. Please, feel free to execute heretics but remember not to blaspheme. Because then you are not respecting our precious freedom of religion!


The most interesting thing is that Saudi Arabia is one of the founding members of the "Organisation of the Islamic Conference" that was the main group lobbying for the current Anti-blasphemy resolution. Talk about ambivalence.

Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:18:00 UTC | #416438

Roland_F's Avatar Comment 13 by Roland_F

The religion of "peace" stikes again.
But as long as the world and especially the USA depend on Saudi Oil and re-invested money this will not change.
Therefore : show more respect for the religious feelings and please stop the Islamophobia !!

Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:25:00 UTC | #416442

Mr Blue Sky's Avatar Comment 12 by Mr Blue Sky

The thing about repressive regimes is that they have to use bully tactics to overcome reason and to promote fear or they would not be so powerful. As contemporary politics promotes hypocrisy in many ways we cannot expect much of an outcry when our chief politicians are self confessed faith-heads

Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:25:00 UTC | #416441

Anvil's Avatar Comment 14 by Anvil

And they call this due process? Not only denied a lawyer, still less checked for positive buoyancy!

Anvil.

ps: Don't suppose J.K.R's books are in the best sellers list in the Kingdom, then?

Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:29:00 UTC | #416443

Nunbeliever's Avatar Comment 15 by Nunbeliever

To WTHORLAY:

"Saudi Arabia is one of the good allies of the American Government."

And that is why most international terrorists (including the 9/11 bombers and Osama Bin Laden) are strongly associated with Saudi Arabia???

Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:33:00 UTC | #416445

Sandra S's Avatar Comment 16 by Sandra S

12. Comment #434846 by Mr Blue Sky

Speak for yourself, the swedish PM has never mentioned God or anything religious, neither has any other swedish politician outside of the christian party and they get about 4% of votes so nobody cares. There was that one christian party member who wanted our PM to end his speeches with "God bless Sweden", though. It fell pretty flat on it's face.

But he is european after all, so naturally he will condone Ramadan and halal, and will occasionaly blurt out things like "I don't understand how people can show so little respect for differences."

Yes, Mr Reinfeldt Prime Minister, sir, I don't know what came over me when I suggested that slitting throats off animals might be barbaric.

Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:43:00 UTC | #416451

John Locke's Avatar Comment 17 by John Locke

Nunbeliever:

so is pakistan another hotbed of terrorism, if not the mothership thereof....

Sandra S:

the scandinavian nations are a bit of a light in darkness vis-a-vis secularisation. in most aspects you guys seem to be about a generation ahead of even the most developed nations.

Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:46:00 UTC | #416454

Sandra S's Avatar Comment 18 by Sandra S

17. Comment #434859 by John Locke

Don't worry, Islam is doing it's best to bring us right back around :). Our PM sure is doing his best to help as well by wanting to remove laws which causes "unnecessary cultural clashes". Meaning such redundant laws as requiring the animal to at least be sedated before having its throat slit in a religious blood rite.

Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:53:00 UTC | #416459

John Locke's Avatar Comment 19 by John Locke

hmm - doesn't sound too good - you guys are supposed to set a good example! :)

i find the eating practices of religion one of the most blatant and visible demonstrations of its man-made origins. the similarities between such incompatible faiths would be laughable if they didn't cause such strife.

of the 3 abrahamic faiths, only christianity saw the sense in dropping such strange practices, as it saw the plain irrationality and impracticality of it all. only a few more practices to go and it will become almost enlightened compared to others :P

Wed, 25 Nov 2009 14:04:00 UTC | #416465

Nunbeliever's Avatar Comment 20 by Nunbeliever

Ali Sibat's supporters say he was denied a lawyer at his trial and was tricked into making a confession.

Human rights campaigners claim prosecutors classified the booklet as a "talisman" and the court accepted that as evidence, sentencing him to 20 months in prison and 300 lashes.


WTF??? So the real PROBLEM is that people accused of witchcraft will not get lawyers??? Apparently the bizarre fact that witchcraft is considered a capital offense in the 21th century seems fully natural to these human rights activists. Is the world going crazy? We should honestly think about building a space ship so all reasonable people could evacute earth and wait for all these crazy barbarians to kill each other off. Perhaps a nuke or two would do the trick.

Wed, 25 Nov 2009 14:12:00 UTC | #416467

Sandra S's Avatar Comment 21 by Sandra S

20. Comment #434872 by Nunbeliever

Is the world going crazy?

Hold on, was it ever anything but crazy?

Wed, 25 Nov 2009 14:26:00 UTC | #416476

pwuk's Avatar Comment 22 by pwuk

Where does that leave the weather man?

Wed, 25 Nov 2009 14:28:00 UTC | #416477

MarkOnTheRiver's Avatar Comment 23 by MarkOnTheRiver

20. Comment #434872 by Nunbeliever

. . . Is the world going crazy£ We should honestly think about building a space ship so all reasonable people could evacuate earth and wait for all these crazy barbarians to kill each other off. Perhaps a nuke or two would do the trick.


Didn't Douglas Adams have a similar idea in reverse£ Put all the thinkers in one space ark, the doers into a third space ark, and the middle men / ad men / telephone hygienists / crazy theistic barbarians into the second ark. This was promptly lost forever.

(Apologies if the fine detail is wrong. It's been a good while since I read The Hitchhikers Guide series)

Wed, 25 Nov 2009 14:31:00 UTC | #416479

TalladegaTom's Avatar Comment 24 by TalladegaTom

I love using the witch argument when debating the deluded and in particular my nutbag far right religiously cut/paste brother.
Gets 'em every time.
I ask them point blank whether or not they believe if witches actually exist. Do they or don't they? Either they do or they don't.
I'm sure you can see where I take it next.
If it's a yes, and they exist because "it says so here in the good book", I ask for the precise definition from the 'good book' on how one can tell a witch from a non witch. Ya know it might be kinda useful to those who make such decisions.
Foaming at the mouth? Epilepsy or witch?
So hard to tell from the ancient text. sigh...
They cannot defend against this without looking EXTRA stupid.

The witch scene from Monty Python and the Holy Grail should kick in right about now.
sorry to be so long winded.

Wed, 25 Nov 2009 14:54:00 UTC | #416492

black wolf's Avatar Comment 25 by black wolf

Mark,
if I remember correctly, they told the 'middle men' people that they were the most important people for a functioning society, so they sent them out first to prepare the new planet.
They never sent the other arks after them.

As Arthur Dent later found out, humanity actually descended from these morons and not the promising but primitive natives.

Wed, 25 Nov 2009 15:27:00 UTC | #416513

Bonzai's Avatar Comment 26 by Bonzai

Fuck, they should have invaded that fucking country instead of Iraq.

Let's see all the Muslims protesting and burning Saudi embassies like they did with the Muhammad cartoons. I won't hold my breath.

Wed, 25 Nov 2009 15:58:00 UTC | #416529

xsjadolateralus's Avatar Comment 27 by xsjadolateralus

Ahhh, what is this fresh hell, I've woken up to?

Now, we get to watch history repeat itself. Innocent people will be destroyed, religion will grow. How sad.

Wed, 25 Nov 2009 16:12:00 UTC | #416541

chameleonpete's Avatar Comment 28 by chameleonpete

Where is the utter condemnation from the UN, and America and the UK. Why isn't this item 1 on BBC news at 10.

What does Gordon Brown think?

Oh yeah, we gotta think about the oil and the billions this awful country spends *rollseyes*

Wed, 25 Nov 2009 16:17:00 UTC | #416544

notnecessarilyso's Avatar Comment 29 by notnecessarilyso

My sympathy with this guy is pretty limited. Pretending to have mystical powers in a country that puts people for death for it is just plain dumb and the way I see it is there will be one less woo merchant in the world.


You must be kidding. Being a "woo merchant" alone should not be a capital offense anywhere in the world; and Saudi Arabia should not be allowed to impose its brand of Islam on foreigners making pilgrimages.

I suspect that all of this anti-witchcraft hysteria stems from a bad case of professional jealousy. Holy men never like their competition.

I also suspect that Saudi Arabia's witchcraft laws are constantly growing and so broadly defined that there is no way for anyone to know or keep abreast of them all.

Wed, 25 Nov 2009 16:56:00 UTC | #416584

A's Avatar Comment 30 by A

Saudi Arabia is a medieval dictatorship - truly a fucking god damn awful dark ages side show.

Wed, 25 Nov 2009 16:58:00 UTC | #416586