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at3p's Avatar Comment 1 by at3p

So far Obama has been Bush Jr. without the bad jokes... I don't see any atheist on the SC under Obama's rule.

Fri, 07 May 2010 15:13:35 UTC | #467482

sharpcj's Avatar Comment 2 by sharpcj

Jefferson liked what Jesus stood for?  How do you get that from the quote?  He was saying that hopefully one day Jesus will be regarded as myth like the gods of past failed religions and that hopefully the US would be the science and reason based Republic that could achieve this.  

I doubt Jefferson would've liked what Jesus stood for.

Fri, 07 May 2010 15:19:55 UTC | #467486

NewEnglandBob's Avatar Comment 3 by NewEnglandBob

I think the opposite will happen. Obama (who I support) will appoint someone deeply religious. He will do this to (erroneously) show he supports theism for political reasons.

Fri, 07 May 2010 15:24:40 UTC | #467487

Friend of Icelos's Avatar Comment 4 by Friend of Icelos

sharpcj
I doubt Jefferson would've liked what Jesus stood for.
Jefferson created is own version of the gospel, commonly referred to as the Jefferson Bible, in which he removed all of the supernatural statements and left what he considered the essential moral teachings of Jesus. In a letter he wrote to John Adams on 13 Oct 1813, he said that once the "artificial vestments" of the story are removed, "There will be found remaining the most sublime and benevolent code of morals which has ever been offered to man."

Fri, 07 May 2010 15:52:28 UTC | #467500

HolyPinkUnicorn's Avatar Comment 5 by HolyPinkUnicorn

Considering Barry's defense of the National Day of Prayer I doubt he would he even consider an atheist for the court, much less even dare to nominate one. Plus he's already enraged conservatives for being black...and a muslim...but yet also a godless communist...and born in Kenya--don't want to add too much fuel to the ignorance fire.

 

If only this country were grown up enough to put an atheist on the Supreme Court or even in an elected office. As the article says, "eventually"...

Fri, 07 May 2010 16:01:39 UTC | #467506

mordacious1's Avatar Comment 6 by mordacious1

Rumor has it that Elena Kagan will be announced soon as Obama's pick. She is a jewish american who is very liberal. Hopefully, she does not take her religion too seriously. Many jews, IMO, are able to separate their religious beliefs, if they have any, from their secular activities. They know the problems that can occur when religion and government mix.

Fri, 07 May 2010 16:46:43 UTC | #467522

Crazycharlie's Avatar Comment 7 by Crazycharlie

An atheist supreme court justice would be wonderful but it's a faint hope in the U.S. I'm afraid.

Maybe in another 100 years.

I was hopeful during Obama's inaugural address when he mentioned unbelievers but he took away that hope when his administration said it would go to court to overturn the ruling by Federal Judge Barbra Crabb that government can no longer enact laws supporting a national day of prayer. It's a purely political move.

Fri, 07 May 2010 17:30:00 UTC | #467540

Crazycharlie's Avatar Comment 8 by Crazycharlie

Crazy Charlie
An atheist supreme court justice would be wonderful but it's a faint hope in the U.S. I'm afraid.Maybe in another 100 years.I was hopeful during Obama's inaugural address when he mentioned unbelievers but he took away that hope when his administration said it would go to court to overturn the ruling by Federal Judge Barbra Crabb that government can no longer enact laws supporting a national day of prayer. It's a purely political move.

Fri, 07 May 2010 18:02:36 UTC | #467552

chawinwords's Avatar Comment 9 by chawinwords

To all that are interested, Thomas Jefferson and the other Founding writers were mostly in one frame of mind about religious beliefs. If you consider the time in history the Founding took place, being a Diest was a leap of light years from from the attachment blind religious faith had upon intellectual thinking prior to those documents and men.

Don't confuse those times with the religious fundamentalist and creationists of today. Jefferson did indeed like the Jesus of the Sermon on the Mount and the other moral teachings of Jesus concerning fairness and justice. Jefferson, however, did not like what organized religion(s) did to those teachings and moral judgments. Jefferson would not embrace the modern religious institutional leaders any more that he did the Catholic Pope, or what he referred to once in a letter to Adams, speaking of not ever having a Protestant pope in a nation, finally protected by a Wall of Separation between "organized" religions and government.

But never judge those Founders by today's standard of scientific knowledge, they did absolutely great by the superstitious standards of their time. Remember, the Age of Enlightenment and the art of freethinking were basically new-born at that time. Those men, the founding authors, aided by super freethinkers like Franklin, were even further ahead of their times, comparatively as Dennet and Dawkins are ahead of the creationists and fundamentalists of today.

It is going to take long time for the human species to overcome the knowledge adolescence of the Dark Age of Faith and Superstition. It clings to the human minds much like the pee covered stink of a skunk remains in the nostrils. Many people, for yet an indefinite period of time, will lovingly cling to the stink of foundational tribal superstition.

Fri, 07 May 2010 18:50:51 UTC | #467566

Danno Davis's Avatar Comment 10 by Danno Davis

mordacious1
Rumor has it that Elena Kagan will be announced soon as Obama's pick. She is a jewish american who is very liberal. Hopefully, she does not take her religion too seriously. Many jews, IMO, are able to separate their religious beliefs, if they have any, from their secular activities. They know the problems that can occur when religion and government mix.

She's a far cry from "very liberal."  I'm not sure what gave you that impression.  In fact, there's good reason to believe that her nomination would move the court significantly to the right.  Glenn Greenwald puts it all much better than I could.  Here's the link if you're interested:

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/04/13/kagan

Fri, 07 May 2010 19:57:01 UTC | #467601

knihilist's Avatar Comment 11 by knihilist

Just how religious are those two Jews on the court?  Perhaps there's a confusion between ethnicity and religion.

Sun, 09 May 2010 06:45:52 UTC | #467961

mostlyX's Avatar Comment 12 by mostlyX

Comment 11 by knihilist
Just how religious are those two Jews on the court?  Perhaps there's a confusion between ethnicity and religion.

Why not say the samething for the six catholics on the bench?

 

Tue, 11 May 2010 12:49:23 UTC | #468858

mostlyX's Avatar Comment 13 by mostlyX

 

Comment 12 by mostlyX
Comment 11 by knihilist Just how religious are those two Jews on the court?  Perhaps there's a confusion between ethnicity and religion. Why not say the samething for the six catholics on the

Just to correct myself before someone else does. Your right, confusion between ethnicity and religion is a problem particular to Jews. A Jew maybe an atheist.

What I meant to say in the above post was, just because somebody ticks the catholic box does not make them religious. So questioning how religious they are makes sense also.

 

 

Updated: Tue, 11 May 2010 13:26:50 UTC | #468875