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Quetzalcoatl's Avatar Comment 2 by Quetzalcoatl

Oh good grief! What the hell is the Pope doing on that list?

Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:34:00 UTC | #419483

Tyler Durden's Avatar Comment 1 by Tyler Durden

Dick Cheney?

For fuck's sake lads!

Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:34:00 UTC | #419482

GodsDontExist's Avatar Comment 3 by GodsDontExist

17. Benedict XVI

for showing that even the supposedly infallible can change.

Wow, that sucks! How brain dead can a person be to dress up in those ugly robes and believe everything in the bible. The pope should be on the list of the top Non-thinkers, along with Pat Robertson, Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron.

Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:35:00 UTC | #419485

Quetzalcoatl's Avatar Comment 4 by Quetzalcoatl

Personally I'm a little dubious about Tariq Ramadan being number 49 on the list as well.

Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:39:00 UTC | #419490

JSB2024's Avatar Comment 5 by JSB2024

Il Papa at 17, ABOVE Richard Dawkins? Oh sure, because "even the Pope believes in evolution" (only officially as a necessary political concession, and still one of the greatest purveyors of falsehood and myth on the face of the overpopulated earth.)

Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:41:00 UTC | #419491

mixmastergaz's Avatar Comment 8 by mixmastergaz

Bad enough that Pope Palpatine is on the list (I can't think of a single good reason, except to appease Catholics, which isn't a good reason but a bad one), but that he should come in one place above Richard!

Of course, the whole thing is probably an arbitrary list drawn up by a few journalists lending weight to their personal preferences.

Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:42:00 UTC | #419494

Sandra S's Avatar Comment 6 by Sandra S

"Big ideas that changed the world"

Well, I guess even non-ideas that change the world for the worse makes the list.

Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:42:00 UTC | #419492

Quetzalcoatl's Avatar Comment 7 by Quetzalcoatl

Karen Armstrong @ 87-

Fundamentalism is a modern invention, not a phenomenon inherent in religious belief itself, argues Armstrong, a one-time aspiring Catholic nun who has published more than 20 books on comparative religion, including this year's The Case for God and histories of Prophet Muhammad and the Bible. Armstrong is now launching a Charter for Compassion to promote the spirit of flexibility and humanity she thinks is present in all the major religions. "Religion was not supposed to provide explanations that lay within the competence of reason," she wrote in the Wall Street Journal, "but to help us live creatively with realities for which there are no easy solutions and find an interior haven of peace."

*rolls eyes*

Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:42:00 UTC | #419493

Tyler Durden's Avatar Comment 9 by Tyler Durden

Benedict has also been outspoken about the perils of reckless capitalism in the aftermath of the financial crisis; he has positioned the church prominently and unexpectedly as an advocate for the environment and warned against the perils of climate change. And, despite early stumbles with the Muslim world and anger over what many saw as an attempt to lure disillusioned Anglican conservatives to the church, the pope has worked hard for interfaith dialogue.
Reckless capitalism, the perils of climate change, and interfaith dialogue?

Huh? I don't get it.

Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:43:00 UTC | #419495

Quetzalcoatl's Avatar Comment 10 by Quetzalcoatl

Sandra S-

I suspect they had to pad the list out a little bit to get it up to 100 names.

Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:45:00 UTC | #419497

Sally Luxmoore's Avatar Comment 11 by Sally Luxmoore

If you believe the human body is the design of an omnipotent god rather than a result of the perfectly imperfect way living beings reproduce, Dawkins -- a retired Oxford University professor who pens cleanly worded but never dumbed-down explanations of evolutionary biology -- has no time for you.
No Time?!?
-What a stupid comment.
He's just written an entire book for 'you', to convince you that there is real evidence for what he says. That took plenty of time!
Those of us for whom the book is absolutely fascinating, but not revolutionary, because we already accept evolution, were not the primary audience for the book.

Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:50:00 UTC | #419498

Sandra S's Avatar Comment 12 by Sandra S

10. Comment #437955 by Quetzalcoatl

That also sounds reasonable, a bit like the ten commandments, actually. Sort of like how they had to stick a useless commandment like "Honour thy mother and father" (it needs to be earned, not just granted) in before "You shall not murder".

Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:52:00 UTC | #419499

Sally Luxmoore's Avatar Comment 13 by Sally Luxmoore

What idiot made this up?
Try zoologist, ethologist, biologist or evolutionary biologist, but "sociobiologist"?
This shows very poor research for this article.

Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:54:00 UTC | #419500

root2squared's Avatar Comment 14 by root2squared

This list is retarded. Ben Bernanke is #1?????

The guy is a moron not qualified to open a checking account.

How about this guy who did get things right?

Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:56:00 UTC | #419502

Quetzalcoatl's Avatar Comment 15 by Quetzalcoatl


That also sounds reasonable, a bit like the ten commandments, actually. Sort of like how they had to stick a useless commandment like "Honour thy mother and father" (it needs to be earned, not just granted) in before "You shall not murder".

I would argue that the first four commandments are pretty useless actually. Would have been nice if a couple of them were outlawing slavery, rape and the subjugation of women, but apparently you can't have everything.

Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:57:00 UTC | #419503

irate_atheist's Avatar Comment 16 by irate_atheist

This list is bollocks.

Dick Cheney?


Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:58:00 UTC | #419504

Logicel's Avatar Comment 17 by Logicel

My mum-in-law has a lot of thoughts in her head too. She should be on this list because according to her she does some heavy thinking because having thoughts in her head is so frequent, like every second.

That is what seems to be the basis for this selection. It was just an accident a few truly critical thinkers made the list. They got on the list for the same reason the numbskulls got on. Their voices have been in the media (thank goodness that some gifted critical thinkers are being covered by the media).

The mere holding of ideas is not equivalent to critical thinking--the only game in town--no matter how powerful and loud the voices are which proclaim such ideas.

Criticism of capitalism was going on hot and heavy at the time the papal bullshitter opened his canker sore of a mouth. He just jumped on the bandwagon, dragging along his already existing load of rotting manure regarding how this earthly world is not important. He and his media thugs saw an opportunity and took it. Interfaith dialogue requires thinking? That news to me. And yes, we needed the opining of a non-scientific to highlight the perils of climate change. I guess anyone can moonlight at a second job, no matter how unqualified they might be. It must have been his whimsical sartorial sense that got him the position.

Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:00:00 UTC | #419505

crookedshoes's Avatar Comment 19 by crookedshoes

If Dick Cheney makes the list, where is my name??? I should at least be close. I'd like to nominate Salman Rushdie
Chuck Palahniuk
There's more but I am pressed for time right now.

Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:01:00 UTC | #419507

Sandra S's Avatar Comment 18 by Sandra S

15. Comment #437961 by Quetzalcoatl

But that would've contradicted the rest of the bible and with so many contradictions already they just had to say enough at some point.

Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:01:00 UTC | #419506

Sally Luxmoore's Avatar Comment 20 by Sally Luxmoore

But Richard is above the Hitch.
That's fuel for some ribbing between them.

Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:03:00 UTC | #419508

bethe123's Avatar Comment 21 by bethe123

Zahra Rahnavard number 3...Well at least they got that one correct.

Nobel Prize aside, I am not sure Obama merrits number 2.

Certainly Christopher Hitchens at #47
and Ayaan Hirsi Ali #48, for the list to have any credibility at all, must rank higher.

Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:10:00 UTC | #419512

Gobby's Avatar Comment 22 by Gobby

The list is largely BS.

Bernanke? Larry Summers before Joe Stiglitz, and where the hell is Paul Krugman? The Dick? Bill Gates instead of Linus Trovalds? Pope? Karen Armstrong?

Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:19:00 UTC | #419514

Quetzalcoatl's Avatar Comment 23 by Quetzalcoatl


But that would've contradicted the rest of the bible and with so many contradictions already they just had to say enough at some point.

And yet they left Revelation in. Strange.

Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:27:00 UTC | #419516

root2squared's Avatar Comment 24 by root2squared

Obama at number 2? Then surely Bush must follow at number 3. No? Oh well, at least they have Cheney following soon. And no Chomsky in the top 10?

Seems largely a list of morons. Even morons think. They just think idiotically. Richard is out of place in this list.

Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:44:00 UTC | #419521

mordacious1's Avatar Comment 25 by mordacious1

Damn, didn't make the list again. Oh well, I don't want to be associated with dick cheney when it comes to thinking.

Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:46:00 UTC | #419523

InYourFaceNewYorker's Avatar Comment 26 by InYourFaceNewYorker

Why the fuck are Dick Cheney and the Pope ranked higher than Richard Dawkins???

Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:52:00 UTC | #419525

JasonERF's Avatar Comment 27 by JasonERF

There are some questionable people on the list but I'm quite happy with Dawkins placement... I wish that Hitchens would be ranked higher though.

Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:57:00 UTC | #419526

SaintStephen's Avatar Comment 28 by SaintStephen


Is this what's waiting in heaven for Christians? Is this what Lincoln meant by "better angels of our nature" ???

As an argument for Christianity, although it may seem a bit tawdry, it is quite convincing for me...

(Just woke up sorry stupid stuff okay back to the action)

Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:58:00 UTC | #419528

robotaholic's Avatar Comment 29 by robotaholic

I wouldn't want to be on THAT list!

Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:15:00 UTC | #419536

BlueCollar8theist's Avatar Comment 30 by BlueCollar8theist

Dick Cheney?! Oh man, Ive deposited substances in toilets with more intelligence than that man has!

"I've seen more intelligent creatures than you lying on their back at the bottom of ponds!"-Sybil Fawlty

Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:25:00 UTC | #419538