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Irish Bishop Donal Murray resigns over cover-up of child sex abuse - Comments

sdando's Avatar Comment 1 by sdando

I know it's a minor thing, but it really bothers me to call someone who has a Doctorate in theology from Pontifical University of St. Thomas Aquinas (Angelicum) "Dr." as they do in the article.

If I make up a doctoral course of study in Fairyology and hand out degrees would the recipients of those be accorded the same honor?

Fri, 18 Dec 2009 15:50:00 UTC | #424329

canatheist's Avatar Comment 2 by canatheist

Morally reprehensible.... I hope he suffers the wrath of God, but with no God that will be difficult.

Fri, 18 Dec 2009 15:51:00 UTC | #424330

Ygern's Avatar Comment 3 by Ygern

There seems to be a slightly self-pitying tone to those talking about resignation, as if this is something they do as innocent lambs who volunteer for the slaughter to preserve the good name of Holy Mother Church.

There's a good response here on The God Squad blog:

Fri, 18 Dec 2009 15:59:00 UTC | #424331

Mr Blue Sky's Avatar Comment 4 by Mr Blue Sky

Is it just me or does he look like fr Jack (feck!)Hackett, albeit after a shave. Such a shame as the Father Ted programmes were high quality entertainment for us ex indoctrinated children of roman catholics. Apologies to Frank Kelly.

Fri, 18 Dec 2009 16:00:00 UTC | #424332

rod-the-farmer's Avatar Comment 5 by rod-the-farmer

Perhaps the Uganda Protocol should be employed here. Anyone who knew about this sort of behaviour, yet did not report it quickly, should be liable for a multi-year prison sentence.

Works for me.

Fri, 18 Dec 2009 16:03:00 UTC | #424337

keddaw's Avatar Comment 6 by keddaw

Is he not an accessory after the fact?

Also, by covering it up he's trying to pervert (no pun intended) the course of justice.

Jail time?

Fri, 18 Dec 2009 16:42:00 UTC | #424344

Logicel's Avatar Comment 7 by Logicel

The Catholic brand has been severely sullied. Like Tylenol, will it come back with a flourish? Most likely, because there are many Catholic addicts/mind slaves with short and highly selective memories who will continue to suckle at the poisonous teat of Catholicism.

Besides actual criminal sentences that should be met out not only to Church officials, but also to the police officials who regarded the Church to be above the law, the tax exempt status of the Church needs to be done away with. In addition, the very structure that allows the Church to be above the law needs to be dismantled by having its facilities inspected by officials on a routine basis just like restaurants, hospitals, and orphanages are inspected.

Fri, 18 Dec 2009 17:03:00 UTC | #424348

Agrajag's Avatar Comment 8 by Agrajag

7. Comment #442920 by Logicel on December 18, 2009 at 5:03 pm

...suckle at the poisonous teat of Catholicism.

My vote for the best metaphor of 2009.

Fri, 18 Dec 2009 17:40:00 UTC | #424367

Rodger T's Avatar Comment 9 by Rodger T

It was hardly a "failure" to investigate child abuse allegations, it was a downright refusal to investigate and then a cover up of blatant criminal acts by the churches paedophile club once the evidence could no longer be ignored.

What a pack of arseholes.

Fri, 18 Dec 2009 17:46:00 UTC | #424369

Dr. Strangegod's Avatar Comment 10 by Dr. Strangegod

Agreeing with Rod and keddaw...

Why do religious pedophiles and their accessories only voluntarily resign when all others go to jail? Why are they not being prosecuted like any other person would be?

Fri, 18 Dec 2009 18:16:00 UTC | #424378

Neil Schipper's Avatar Comment 11 by Neil Schipper

Religions do adapt. These pompously dressed charlatans with their inflated superiority can incrementally give way to secular ethical sensibilities which have far surpassed their ancient creeds. It just seems to take secular humanistic laws, hundreds of outspoken victims, dogged journalists, an outraged public and then, a whole bunch of decades. Perhaps by 2100 there will be bishops you can trust to babysit and perform jury duty.

Fri, 18 Dec 2009 18:20:00 UTC | #424380

Stafford Gordon's Avatar Comment 12 by Stafford Gordon

Sadists or masochists or a combination of both?

I think perhaps they just join for the posh frocks.

Fri, 18 Dec 2009 18:23:00 UTC | #424381

mlgatheist's Avatar Comment 13 by mlgatheist

Decades of breaking the law, aiding and abedding criminals to hide their crimes and all that happens to him is that is gets to retire a couple of years early.

He should have to spend at least one year in jail for every crime that he helped to cover up.

It is no wonder that the Irish police believe that the church is above the law, when the government does not prosecute these bishops and archbishops for their crimes.

Fri, 18 Dec 2009 18:41:00 UTC | #424387

glenister_m's Avatar Comment 14 by glenister_m

Interesting contrast in justice. The Bishops involved in either covering up or sexually assaulting children can "choose to resign", even if that is only a couple of years before they retire anyway. I assume this just means their posts, and that they are still ordained priests, and get some kind of financial support from the church.

As a teacher in Canada, if I fail to inform authorities of "suspected" child abuse, or commit the slightest form of inappropriate touching to a student, then I will likely lose my teaching certificate/license (and hence my income) and face criminal charges.

Fri, 18 Dec 2009 18:57:00 UTC | #424390

PJG's Avatar Comment 15 by PJG

In answer to the people who ask why the paedophiles are not tried. I believe I am correct in saying that most of the abuse comes to light many years, sometimes decades, after it actually took place. This means that finding "sufficient evidence" is difficult and I was told that some crimes, like rape, must be reported within a certain number of years for it to be tried as a criminal offence. Perhaps one of you lawyer types out there could confirm/refute this?

Fri, 18 Dec 2009 19:43:00 UTC | #424402

j.mills's Avatar Comment 16 by j.mills

Note how far this is:

“Some expressed the wish that I should resign; others asked me not to . . . I asked the Holy Father to allow me to resign, and to appoint a new bishop to the diocese, because I believe that my presence will create difficulties for some of the survivors who must have first place in our thoughts and prayers.”
...from an admission of wrong-doing. It's the schoolboy reaction: not sorry he did it, just sorry he got caught.

Fri, 18 Dec 2009 19:44:00 UTC | #424403

nairbe's Avatar Comment 17 by nairbe

A very disturbing story. It always seems that these organisations are talking of abuse as something that happened in the past. Experience tells us that it will be happening now too. What are they going to do about the systemic problems of abuse on all levels not just sexual but intellectual and emotional abuse within the church. We know the church will do nothing because they believe that their GOD will forgive them as they only abused that child out of good intentions.

Fri, 18 Dec 2009 21:07:00 UTC | #424431

SamKiddoGordon's Avatar Comment 18 by SamKiddoGordon

Shouldn't they all resign£

Fri, 18 Dec 2009 22:03:00 UTC | #424458

j.mills's Avatar Comment 19 by j.mills

They would all resign if they showed any sign of that 'higher morality' they all claim to have special access to. I would resign rather than be associated with an organisation found to have behaved in this way. The fact that so few have done so, and only under such pressure, and with such half-arsed pseudo-apologies, provides no reason to suppose that this stuff won't happen again, or even that they truly understand the wrong they are implicated in.

Fri, 18 Dec 2009 22:38:00 UTC | #424469

chuckg's Avatar Comment 20 by chuckg

A fake bus sign generator site with an apropos example message:

Sat, 19 Dec 2009 04:44:00 UTC | #424512

BroughtyBoy's Avatar Comment 21 by BroughtyBoy

I wholeheartedly agree with Ygern and one or two others. There is absolutely no credit in this resignation - only shame and utter disgrace. This Bishop cares more for the public image of the church than he does for the welfare of innocent children. Sickening.

Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:27:00 UTC | #424538

Ivan The Not So Bad's Avatar Comment 22 by Ivan The Not So Bad

Comment #442920 by Logicel

"....there are many Catholic addicts/mind slaves with short and highly selective memories who will continue to suckle at the poisonous teat of Catholicism."

Yes. Check this remarkable statement from the Irish education minister and the reaction of his audience:

Still suckling furiously on your teat, as it were.

Comment #442962 by glenister_m

"I assume this just means their posts, and that they are still ordained priests, and get some kind of financial support from the church."

Yes. About $40,000 a year plus free accommodation to be precise.

Nice non-work if you can get it.

Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:37:00 UTC | #424541

Drosera's Avatar Comment 23 by Drosera

The real proof that the Catholic Church continues to protect the child molesters is that they are not excommunicated. They are still considered good Catholics. Good enough, anyway.

Three Hail Maries, and all is well.

Sat, 19 Dec 2009 15:11:00 UTC | #424568

davem's Avatar Comment 24 by davem

@Mr Blue Sky: No, it's not just you.

"Bishop Jim Moriarty, another prelate named in the report, announced last night that he was willing to quit “for the right reasons”."

So enabling paedophilia isn't reason enough?

Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:53:00 UTC | #424604

j.mills's Avatar Comment 25 by j.mills

Drosera observed:

The real proof that the Catholic Church continues to protect the child molesters is that they are not excommunicated.
Well, it's not actually a sin or anything...

Sat, 19 Dec 2009 18:21:00 UTC | #424613

Reckless Monkey's Avatar Comment 26 by Reckless Monkey

Interesting that it had to wait for a government report to criticise this priest for him to fall on his sword. Why isn't anyone criticising the Pope's supposed pipeline to God? Did his omnipotence not notice the abuse? Or did he intend it. Given that they claim special knowledge what excuse can they give for not knowing about all of this? It's like astrologers failure to predict Tsunami's.

Cancer: Run for the hills
Leo: Run for the hills
Taurus: Run for the hills
and so on.

Sun, 20 Dec 2009 01:49:00 UTC | #424694

R. A. B.'s Avatar Comment 27 by R. A. B.

I agree with j.mills. They only seem sorry that they got caught and don't actually seem to realize that what they did was wrong in the first place.

I find it absolutely absurd that The Roman Catholic Church is still the largest denomination of the world's largest religion, even after all of the horrible things done. I feel similarly astonished at the large amount of support for other denominations and religions after their respective horrible behavior as well.

-R. A. B.

Sun, 20 Dec 2009 03:47:00 UTC | #424704

Ian's Avatar Comment 28 by Ian

The Catholic Church still doesn't seem to appreciate the magnitude of their failure. They still seem to see this as a public relations problem.

Those priests violated the bodies of the most vulnerable people and abused the trust placed in them by their communities.

Then these bishops' first concern was not for the welfare of children, but for the good name of the church. That's about as effective a way of rubbing salt in the wound as can be imaged. Just to kick the wound, I can't think of a single case where either the perpetrator or their superiors have faced trail in a court of law. This should be done for four reasons:

1. The Church has already shown itself incompetent in judging these matters.

2. Some of the accused may be innocent and deserve the opportunity to prove it.

3. The publication of the results of the trial will give the victims closure on their ordeal.

4. It will finally get across to clergy the fact that they are not above the law which the rest of us are subject to.

Mon, 21 Dec 2009 11:54:00 UTC | #425033

Tyler Durden's Avatar Comment 29 by Tyler Durden

28. Comment #443610 by Ian

I agree. Their priority was "The Church", the victims were a distant second. Disgraceful. Any other organisation and we'd have dismantled the whole sorry framework, unfortunately, this is "Catholic Ireland" - people need to vote with their feet imho (but they won't, indoctrination runs deep!).

However, this term "closure" gets bandied about quite a bit in these regards and is really a misnomer, a cliche or essentially a myth. Victims may indeed by able to "draw a line under it" to use one of the other well know cliches, but "closure" is down to many other factors and cannot be addressed with one single act i.e. a civil trial, or a conviciton, or a resignation, or a compensation payment.

Victims "move on" from their ordeals in many different ways and in many different timeframes (and some, unfortuantely, do not) - "closure" is not a destination available to all where a "silver bullet" action exists.

Mon, 21 Dec 2009 12:21:00 UTC | #425038

Rikitiki13's Avatar Comment 30 by Rikitiki13

"outrage, betrayal and shame”, oh my! Yeah, that's enough of a reasonable reaponse, we're good...move along, nothing to see here...

What a vile, criminal organization.

Since the Catholic church only really seems to respond to getting hit in their wallet, I'd advocate a governmental suit demanding the Vatican pay the total costs of ALL these investigations, plus settlements, plus interest, plus continued payments to cover on-going investigative costs.

Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:10:00 UTC | #425091