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mordacious1's Avatar Comment 1 by mordacious1

Sick bastards!

The UK is too damn PC...time to start convicting these creeps.

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An estimated 70,000 women living in the UK have undergone FGM, and 20,000 girls remain at risk


Yikes!

Sun, 20 Dec 2009 18:42:00 UTC | #424825

blakjack's Avatar Comment 2 by blakjack

Why do we talk only about Female Mutilation? I have not been circumcised (thank goodness) and I certainly find the presence of an intact foreskin quite beneficial (eg masturbation). It is grotesque that infant males WITH NO SAY IN THE MATTER are routinely circumcised.

Jack

Sun, 20 Dec 2009 19:48:00 UTC | #424837

PrimeNumbers's Avatar Comment 3 by PrimeNumbers

I don't see how hard it is to catch these bastards - surely our doctors will catch it on the girls annual physical checkup? At which point march the parents straight off to jail.

Maybe hard-hitting TV commercials warning young girls of ethnic communities to be on the watch out and to report any incident. Send health workers around the schools to talk to and educate our young girls.

And yes, go after any who do it to the little boys also.

And remember - this is not about religion or custom, but sheer inhumanity and brutality. It must be stopped now.

Sun, 20 Dec 2009 19:57:00 UTC | #424842

mordacious1's Avatar Comment 4 by mordacious1

Prime

The problem is, that these girls probably go to islamic schools, see an islamic physician (if any), and only are allowed to socialize with members of their religion. I'm wondering if the answer is to somehow educate the mothers, who then have to be brave enough to stand up to the males in their family (not likely in the short run, but over time...).

Sun, 20 Dec 2009 20:11:00 UTC | #424844

GBile's Avatar Comment 5 by GBile

blakjack,

As a fellow foreskin-owner I heartily agree with your comment. No grownup, with or without self-proclaimed holiness, has a right to mutilate any boy or any girl. This is child-abuse of the first order.

Sun, 20 Dec 2009 20:20:00 UTC | #424845

Jos Gibbons's Avatar Comment 6 by Jos Gibbons

Why does the article claim this has no religious significance? I might well contest their assertion, but for now I'd like to make a crucial point: the fact that they suddenly through that aside-like statement into the mix suggests they're doing it to make sure they get people on side (it's OK to criticise this you know - it's not religion, after all) or avoid offending (oh, you won't mind if I criticise something you do that's not religious, will you?) or both. Either way, this is as explicit an example as any for which RD could have hoped when writing TGD of how religion is automatically treated by completely different rules from everything else in the world.

Sun, 20 Dec 2009 20:36:00 UTC | #424849

Carl Sai Baba's Avatar Comment 7 by Carl Sai Baba

With all of the obvious evidence of this occurring, has not a single person been jailed for it?

Sun, 20 Dec 2009 21:06:00 UTC | #424854

robotaholic's Avatar Comment 8 by robotaholic

omg I'm gonna puke- get these sick bastards OUT of UK NOW

Sun, 20 Dec 2009 21:08:00 UTC | #424856

AllanW's Avatar Comment 9 by AllanW

Comment #443429 by RightWingAtheist on December 20, 2009 at 9:06 pm

With all of the obvious evidence of this occurring, has not a single person been jailed for it?


No; that's the abominable truth behind multiculturalism. The acceptance on cultural grounds of horrors that would not be acceptably visited upon citizens of this country. Except the vast majority of girls this mutilation is done to ARE UK citizens who therefore are not afforded the protection they should be receiving as citizens of this country. It's an obscene result.

Sun, 20 Dec 2009 21:11:00 UTC | #424858

Max of Earlobes's Avatar Comment 10 by Max of Earlobes

"It has no religious significance"? This is disgusting. In the 21st Century, a British newspaper is guity of gross misrepresentation, saying that the obsession with maintaining girls' "purity" has nothing to do with religion! This is just playing into the hands of the people who are performing this disgusting act, who know that most of the authorities are shying away from confronting this issue, for fear of not showing enough "respect" for "other cultures". Yet another problem that would be solved if religions were treated as any other privately funded non-governmental organisations.

Sun, 20 Dec 2009 21:20:00 UTC | #424862

LittleFluffyClouds's Avatar Comment 11 by LittleFluffyClouds

Barbaric human garbage.

Maybe they should lose a hand for stealing when they hack away a person's sexuality.

Sun, 20 Dec 2009 21:24:00 UTC | #424864

ayliffe's Avatar Comment 12 by ayliffe

The first comment on the Independent's site is

"Female Genital Modification. After all you do not refer to boys circumcision (whether it is right or wrong) as mutilation. You are being guilty of a Eurocentric attitude."

I suppose it's this sort of fear of appearing culturally insensitive that's stopping prosecutions.

Sun, 20 Dec 2009 21:35:00 UTC | #424866

Christopher Dobbie's Avatar Comment 13 by Christopher Dobbie

There must be some wonderful psychology behind all this.

I cohort of women are going to be extremely jaded from this sick perverse affair and some no doubt will perpetuate the nightmare.

Imagine living in a secular society where your fellow girlfriends can enjoy the act of sex; you surely aren't going to want to hang around them.

I'd implore those in the community who can take action to do what has been legislated against, this grotesque practice goes beyond wilful ignorance.

Sun, 20 Dec 2009 21:38:00 UTC | #424867

mmurray's Avatar Comment 14 by mmurray

mordacious1

Do you think the men are involved in pushing for this ? It might be an all female thing:

She has been vilified by practising communities for campaigning against FGM and for refusing to allow four of her daughters to be mutilated; the fifth suffered the procedure while in the care of her grandmother.


This is also what happened to Ayaan Hirsi Ali. Her grandmother organised it when her mother was away.

I'm not trying to get the men off the hook just wondering how these cultures work.

Michael

Sun, 20 Dec 2009 21:41:00 UTC | #424868

Veejay's Avatar Comment 15 by Veejay

I'm also opposed to the circumcision of baby boys but it can't fairly be equated to FGM since FGM is equivalent to cutting off the entire penis. To think of FGM as 'female circumcision' is a dreadful euphemism.

Sun, 20 Dec 2009 21:42:00 UTC | #424870

TheAtheistBiker's Avatar Comment 16 by TheAtheistBiker

Hi all:

If you have not yet done so I suggest you read 'Infidel' by Ayaan Hirsi Ali. Its a fabulous book and she is a real inspiration.

Hitch was right when he described her as the three most beautiful words in the new secular dictionary.

xXx

Sun, 20 Dec 2009 22:24:00 UTC | #424877

Carl Sai Baba's Avatar Comment 17 by Carl Sai Baba

Perhaps we should have a long-term plan here. Any UK residents willing to go through the police academy so they can go arrest one of these assholes?

Sun, 20 Dec 2009 23:21:00 UTC | #424884

Border Collie's Avatar Comment 18 by Border Collie

I used to believe that there was at least a gossamer veneer of civilization somewhere on the Earth ...

Sun, 20 Dec 2009 23:44:00 UTC | #424887

Nogodscanuck's Avatar Comment 19 by Nogodscanuck

I agree with "Veejay"
15. Comment #443445 by Veejay on December 20, 2009 at 9:42 pm.

Mon, 21 Dec 2009 00:12:00 UTC | #424890

InYourFaceNewYorker's Avatar Comment 20 by InYourFaceNewYorker

blackjack,

I agree that genital cutting of any kind is wrong, but you must see that it is worse for girls than for boys. Most of the guys I know have been circumcised, and none of them care. Does it make it right that it was done? Of course not, because it wasn't their choice. But it doesn't seem that most guys suffer long-term consequences from it. With girls, there are long term health and emotional issues. Circumcised men can enjoy sex, but women who have had the clitoris and labia removed (or even just one of those two things) likely cannot. And with the narrowing of the vagina (how the hell is that done??) I can only imagine, too, what childbirth is like for them.

Julie

Mon, 21 Dec 2009 00:13:00 UTC | #424891

TheBlindWatcher's Avatar Comment 21 by TheBlindWatcher

Clearly they need a special circumcision task force.

Mon, 21 Dec 2009 00:47:00 UTC | #424900

Bernard Hurley's Avatar Comment 22 by Bernard Hurley

Comment #443433 by AllanW


With all of the obvious evidence of this occurring, has not a single person been jailed for it?



No; that's the abominable truth behind multiculturalism. The acceptance on cultural grounds of horrors that would not be acceptably visited upon citizens of this country.


This should actually say ".. that would not be acceptably visited upon WHITE citizens of this country." Much of what passes for multiculturalism is actually a form of racism.

Mon, 21 Dec 2009 00:53:00 UTC | #424904

Notstrident's Avatar Comment 23 by Notstrident

Can we get off of this kick of equating that horrible mutilation they do to girls with the just about non-event of male circumcision? The only thing they have in common is the religious reasons given for the circumsision of SOME baby boys. And a great number of tiny baby boys that are circumcised do not even have it done for religious reasons. I didn't want to discuss my personal life on this forum, but I am circumcised, and if my sexual sensation were any better, my nervous system wouldn't be able to stand it. There are a lot more important things for us to be concerned with tham male circumcision! (OK, OK, Muslim boys have it done at age 13. Maybe that's what makes them so mean.)

Mon, 21 Dec 2009 00:59:00 UTC | #424906

TheBlindWatcher's Avatar Comment 24 by TheBlindWatcher

"It is generally considered to be an essential rite of passage to suppress sexual pleasure, preserve girls' purity and cleanliness, and is necessary for marriage in many communities even now. It has no religious significance"

Oh dear, that's the sort of PC we need to throw light on. No religious significance whatsoever?

I've read Ayaan Hirsi Ali's book, and although it is admitted that FGM is not exclusive to Islam it is certainly justified under Islam.

It is justified under Islam because the practice is completely harmonious with the laws & requirements surrounding women's purity.
It is a method or a "tool" that is used by Muslims-wholly justified (and certainly in no way discouraged) by the Qur'an and Sharia law.

Mon, 21 Dec 2009 01:04:00 UTC | #424907

mmurray's Avatar Comment 25 by mmurray

And with the narrowing of the vagina (how the hell is that done??)


I think it is the result of scaring around the opening due to it all being sewn up. If you haven't read `Infidel' she describes it all in a rather horrific chapter in there.

Michael

Mon, 21 Dec 2009 01:43:00 UTC | #424909

Alternative Carpark's Avatar Comment 26 by Alternative Carpark

Outrageous!

Perhaps it will take Channel Four making a documentary, where they sneak in to one of these parties and get some good footage of the procedure, to get people to sit up and take notice. I have seen pictures of the so-called type 3 and it is pretty soul-destroying.

As for America's predilection for puerile, prepuce pruning in the 21st century, well, it is just one more in a long list of things that the country shares with the very people they call their enemies.

If anyone came near my boy with a pair of scissors, I would get medieval on whatever extraneous parts of their body I could find.

Finally, see this article for a picture of the kind of person who has "Cutter" listed as their occupation in their passport.

BBC

Good night - if you can....

Mon, 21 Dec 2009 01:49:00 UTC | #424910

ramfalls's Avatar Comment 27 by ramfalls

If they decided to kill every second born child the multi-culturalists would think twice about procecution. The 'cutters' aren't the enemy, the guttless cultural-relativists and the geezers who stumbled through university reading a couple of psychology books to get a job in the local council's community relations office, are the real menace.
I think we should send these idiots to live with these savages for a couple of years, accompanied by their chattering classes female/male partners
to learn about muslim 'tolerance'.

Mon, 21 Dec 2009 02:03:00 UTC | #424912

InYourFaceNewYorker's Avatar Comment 28 by InYourFaceNewYorker

@mmurray do they narrow the actual vaginal CANAL or just the opening?

Mon, 21 Dec 2009 02:16:00 UTC | #424915

velcar's Avatar Comment 29 by velcar

I frankly don't care whether circumcision is minor compared to FGM. I for one, would rather not tinker with anything that already works just fine. You touch it, you risk messing it up.

Neither is necessary, and I think there is far too much pain one has to endure already that we don't have to bring in more.

Mutilation of a person, forced upon by someone who is responsible for that person, should be unlawful and the responsible people should face justice and strict penalties.

It is against basic human rights.

Mon, 21 Dec 2009 02:24:00 UTC | #424916

InYourFaceNewYorker's Avatar Comment 30 by InYourFaceNewYorker

Velcar I agree that both are wrong, but you must see that one is worse than the other.

Mon, 21 Dec 2009 02:27:00 UTC | #424917