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jackal's Avatar Comment 1 by jackal

There are some good insights into the Catholic mindset - and thus the their response to the sex abuse scandal - in the first 20 min of the show. That makes it a must-hear.

Mon, 05 Jul 2010 15:12:33 UTC | #486448

rod-the-farmer's Avatar Comment 2 by rod-the-farmer

I recommend listening..... be prepared for some nasty stuff.

Mon, 05 Jul 2010 15:31:01 UTC | #486453

Nick LaRue's Avatar Comment 3 by Nick LaRue

Comment 2 by pipc :

Some contrarian remarks:

1) it's sad that you're, effectively, advertising for Adobe. "Adobe Flash Player is required to listen to audio files. You can download it for free." isn't a neutral, friendly explanation of what's happening: it's direct advertising, it's technically incorrect: open standard audio files never "require" a specific company's program.

Why don't you realise that this is a linked article and Adobe is what is used at that website? Go complain there it's a problem for you.

Not sure what the rest of your concern trolling is about by why don't you email the admins about it and stop posting crap that has nothing to do with the thread?

Mon, 05 Jul 2010 16:18:47 UTC | #486461

billmill's Avatar Comment 4 by billmill

This was a great show, and a great interview. Mary Hynes is an excellent interviewer. She asks balanced, intelligent questions, and allows Lobdell to answer fully. Other interviewers could learn a lot from her.

Mon, 05 Jul 2010 16:22:27 UTC | #486463

steve oberski's Avatar Comment 5 by steve oberski

2) open standard audio files, like OGG or MP3, make it the user's choice which program they use to listen. Those formats are also downloadable, today's equivalent of using a VCR - just like TV companies in the 1980s, many websites want to take away the simple option to record and re-watch/listen; unlike the 1980s, they're winning, so far.

A view source on the page yields:

MP3 is not open source.

Mon, 05 Jul 2010 17:44:56 UTC | #486471

justinesaracen's Avatar Comment 6 by justinesaracen

It really annoys me when people who are just beginning to find their way out of the clutches of religion still use Richard Dawkins as the Great Demon. This baby atheist had the bad taste to disassociate himself from Dawkins as "one of those atheists who think believers are stupid." Dawkins, who helped create the atmosphere necessary for this guy to come out.

I think this is what's called "throwing them under the bus."

Like gay people who've just come out who point to the more visible of their brethren and announce, "well, I'm not THAT kind of gay."

Mon, 05 Jul 2010 18:54:12 UTC | #486479

Jos Gibbons's Avatar Comment 7 by Jos Gibbons

Agreed, esuther. I am also dissatisfied with how inaccurate is his account of RD et al's actual opinions. It seems to me there are certain opinions, such as those of RD on religion, that humans are apparently physically incapable of disagreeing with while accurately characterising. In other words, such views cannot be rejected without making straw men of them. Just once, I'd like to see anyone who takes exception to views like ours to get the details right. These objections notwithstanding, I'm grateful to steve obserski for providing a download link (since this piece is in general quite valuable). Similar material is also covered in his three appearances on Freethought Radio (see, where IIRC Lobdell doesn't make the errors found here.

Mon, 05 Jul 2010 20:59:02 UTC | #486508

Mrkimbo's Avatar Comment 8 by Mrkimbo

Let me add my voice to the chorus asserting correctly that RD is NOT strident and does NOT create straw men of believers. What he is, is astringent - and when you're up to your eyeballs in grease, an astringent is just what you need.

Mon, 05 Jul 2010 21:07:15 UTC | #486512

Rich Wiltshir's Avatar Comment 9 by Rich Wiltshir

"Losing religion" is an oxymoron, surely?

Mon, 05 Jul 2010 21:11:30 UTC | #486514

Mrkimbo's Avatar Comment 10 by Mrkimbo

Just listened to it and urge others to do so - the silly remark about Dawkins and Hitch is only a moment out of an otherwise excellent broadcast. I thought the account of the young ex-Muslim woman the most powerful in its simplicity - it effectively sums up in a few sentences the way religion makes good people do evil things.

Mon, 05 Jul 2010 22:11:07 UTC | #486532

Mayhemm's Avatar Comment 11 by Mayhemm

A view source on the page yields:

Thanks for the download link! I hate it when sites are stream-only.

Mon, 05 Jul 2010 22:11:15 UTC | #486533

Bernard Hurley's Avatar Comment 12 by Bernard Hurley

Dear Mr. pipc

Re Comment 2

I have been posting on the Free Software movement's news groups, mailing lists and forums since the mid 80's. I have never posted anything about religion or my lack thereof because I have the good sense to know that it would not be appropriate. Similarly your, somewhat ignorant, post is not appropriate here.

Updated: Tue, 06 Jul 2010 03:11:49 UTC | #486596

Rich Wiltshir's Avatar Comment 13 by Rich Wiltshir

It's not losing religion; it's finding reason.

Why suggest that dispoing of a negative is anything other than positive?

Tue, 06 Jul 2010 12:40:38 UTC | #486665