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Mitch Kahle's Avatar Comment 1 by Mitch Kahle

Obama is like Bush in sheep's clothing!

Fri, 05 Feb 2010 01:57:00 UTC | #438644

mbannonb's Avatar Comment 2 by mbannonb

Nuts!

Fri, 05 Feb 2010 02:16:00 UTC | #438646

Kmita's Avatar Comment 3 by Kmita

"federal dollars that go directly to churches, temples, and mosques can only be used on secular programs"

Why not just give the money to secular charities instead?

Fri, 05 Feb 2010 02:21:00 UTC | #438647

Harvatos's Avatar Comment 4 by Harvatos

I keep telling to people that Obama is not some kind of messiah: he is just less worst than McCain, Bush and the like.

Fri, 05 Feb 2010 02:33:00 UTC | #438649

Cook@Tahiti's Avatar Comment 5 by Cook@Tahiti

For all those who claim Obama is slightly better than Bush...

Judging by the increase in military spending under Obama (all time record), it's not that Obama is 'Dubya Lite', but that Obama is 'Dubya Supersized'

More troops in the Middle East, Gitmo still open, blank cheque to Israel continues, same paranoid Cuban policy, unprecendented massive public spending on private corporations, no universal health care, no action on climate change, etc. Where's the improvement?

I can't understand why Fox thinks he's so radical.

Fri, 05 Feb 2010 03:02:00 UTC | #438652

ANTIcarrot's Avatar Comment 6 by ANTIcarrot

No progress is terrible, but it's better than the backsliding a republican win would have represented.

Fri, 05 Feb 2010 03:15:00 UTC | #438654

Alternative Carpark's Avatar Comment 7 by Alternative Carpark

What do you expect?
Unless a secular-humanist dictator takes power, things are not going to radically change over night.

Fri, 05 Feb 2010 03:23:00 UTC | #438657

Eshto's Avatar Comment 8 by Eshto

This is all very troubling, but still, Obama could eat a baby on live TV and I still wouldn't regret voting for him over McCain.

Fri, 05 Feb 2010 04:30:00 UTC | #438670

Carl Sai Baba's Avatar Comment 9 by Carl Sai Baba

The uproar over Obama's previous lack of action on "don't ask don't tell" seems to have helped bring the issue out of the closet.

I don't see why this "faith-based" problem shouldn't get a vigorous and hopeful round of protest. Seriously people, "yes we can."

Fri, 05 Feb 2010 04:43:00 UTC | #438671

Cook@Tahiti's Avatar Comment 10 by Cook@Tahiti

Eshto, sounds like you (and all Obama voters) fell for the good cop, bad cop routine?
When presented with two options - lying arms-dealing warmonging religous for-the-rich candidate #1 versus virtually identical lying arms-dealing warmonging religous for-the-rich candidate #2...
I don't see the difference. People despise one side and defend the other side, when the two sides are indistinguishable.
It's analogous to Catholics and Protestants belting each other in the 17th century when they were worshipping the same invisible sky-god.

Fri, 05 Feb 2010 04:59:00 UTC | #438672

root2squared's Avatar Comment 11 by root2squared

10. Comment #458277 by Rtambree on February 5, 2010 at 4:59 am

I have to admit I was fooled by him as well. Now I call him black Bush. Interesting how he can do the same things that Bush did and still fool so many people. He's fast on his way to becoming a war criminal himself.

Fri, 05 Feb 2010 05:08:00 UTC | #438674

Lisa Bauer's Avatar Comment 12 by Lisa Bauer

Perhaps Obama has been listening to "religious progressives" (for example, Jim Wallis and Rabbi Michael Lerner) who say that liberals and Democrats need to "build bridges" to "people of faith" and not turn them off the way those nasty atheists do. Or something like that.

There's also the enormous importance of the churches in the African American and Hispanic communities, so perhaps this "faith based initiative program" is an attempt to win some points with those groups...I don't know.

Fri, 05 Feb 2010 05:10:00 UTC | #438675

dougie's Avatar Comment 13 by dougie

Barrack is an extremely smart individual.I support him and all he is trying to do. He has invested in stem cell research hugely, which is really more significant as we think .Granted ,we wont see sudden huge leaps of change as evolution does not operate in that manner. The slow elementary changes will bloom into positive progress, I have no doubts, so help the enlightened ones.

Fri, 05 Feb 2010 05:39:00 UTC | #438677

Cook@Tahiti's Avatar Comment 14 by Cook@Tahiti

Perhaps the USA political system is so broke (with all its lobbyists, corporate media, etc), that even a genuinely principled President wouldn't be able to accomplish anything either.

Someone recently likened American politics to the INVERSE of the French Revolution i.e. poor people taking to the streets demanding more power and wealth for the ruling aristocrats.

Fri, 05 Feb 2010 05:41:00 UTC | #438678

righton's Avatar Comment 15 by righton

"Someone recently likened American politics to the INVERSE of the French Revolution i.e. poor people taking to the streets demanding more power and wealth for the ruling aristocrats."


Ha! True.

Fri, 05 Feb 2010 05:56:00 UTC | #438680

Communist's Avatar Comment 16 by Communist

Rtambree wrote:

For all those who claim Obama is slightly better than Bush...

Judging by the increase in military spending under Obama (all time record), it's not that Obama is 'Dubya Lite', but that Obama is 'Dubya Supersized'

More troops in the Middle East, Gitmo still open, blank cheque to Israel continues, same paranoid Cuban policy, unprecendented massive public spending on private corporations, no universal health care, no action on climate change, etc. Where's the improvement?

I can't understand why Fox thinks he's so radical.

That's an interesting observation. Here in Norway, everyone except the most right wing nuts is hopelessly in love with Barack Obama. While Obama is a lot better than the republicans, I have never been seduced by his speeches. To me they sound like big words and purple prose.

But the development after the Obama takeover is part of a much bigger picture than Obama, Biden and Clinton as persons. It's the typical picture that we see in many countries. Centrists and left wingers talk about reaching across the isle, about bipartisanship. Right wingers then say THANK YOU and continue their own political struggle. It is worth a study to see how bigots like Ben Stein easily bulldoze spineless left wing wannabees and liberals in Larry King Live (CNN).

So there is the answer to your question about Fox. Fox says and does what Fox says and does because Fox never forgets the political cause. That is a mentality that left wingers ought to learn from.

Fri, 05 Feb 2010 07:47:00 UTC | #438686

Fouad Boussetta's Avatar Comment 17 by Fouad Boussetta

Give the man a break. He's trying. Do you really think you would do better in his shoes?

Fri, 05 Feb 2010 08:11:00 UTC | #438693

sbooder's Avatar Comment 18 by sbooder

For me, one year of presidency is not long enough to judge the man, especially as he came to office with such a load of shit to sort out. I will hold back judgment until his third year.

Fri, 05 Feb 2010 08:40:00 UTC | #438700

Communist's Avatar Comment 19 by Communist

No, I don't think I would do better that Barack Obama if I were in his shoes. It is beyond one man's abilities and powers to significantly improve matters given the United States political landscape. This can only be done if every american to the left of Colin Powell changes his or her approach to politics big time. Enough of the bipartisan talk. Trust the superiority of left wing secular ideology and act upon that trust.

Fri, 05 Feb 2010 08:44:00 UTC | #438705

Flapjack's Avatar Comment 20 by Flapjack

Another interesting article on this featured in the pages of Pink News
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/02/04/obama-denounces-ugandan-anti-gay-law-at-prayer-breakfast/
I get the impression he's trying to be all things to all people but if it's a straight choice between keeping the religious lobbies and the secular lobby happy he'll choose the former as there's more votes tied up in it.

Fri, 05 Feb 2010 09:00:00 UTC | #438710

whitetaiga's Avatar Comment 21 by whitetaiga

makes one think of Churchill's remarks regarding democracy....
the idea of a secular-humanist dictatorship 'lite' seems like a fresh breeze - on the other hand, how much worse can it get, if one already wishes for a dictatorship ...?

Fri, 05 Feb 2010 09:24:00 UTC | #438717

Cook@Tahiti's Avatar Comment 22 by Cook@Tahiti

Comment #458298 by Fouad Boussetta

>Give the man a break. He's trying

Are your expectations so low that you'll excuse a President for merely trying, even if the results are indistinguisable from his despised predecessor? So Obama can make good speeches and promise all things to all people. So what. It's not theatre. All this apologising for Obama resembles a religion where the Promised Land is just up ahead - just keep believing, keep believing, keep believeing... hope and change.

Fri, 05 Feb 2010 13:08:00 UTC | #438768

DanDare's Avatar Comment 23 by DanDare

Not being an American I confess I don't know the governmental system there very well. What power does the President have to do things unilaterally within government?

Fri, 05 Feb 2010 13:50:00 UTC | #438784

sara g's Avatar Comment 24 by sara g

I saw a poll once that kind of explains why so many poor people vote against their own interest. Something like 50% of Americans believe that in the future they will be in the to 10% of income. (I'm making up those numbers so don't ask for a citation, it's pretty close, but I don't know how to look it up.) They feel the need to protect the wealthy so that their own imaginary future wealth is guarded.

Fri, 05 Feb 2010 14:46:00 UTC | #438811

Cook@Tahiti's Avatar Comment 25 by Cook@Tahiti

24. Comment #458417 by sillygirl

>Something like 50% of Americans believe that in the future they will be in the to 10% of income

Yes, that's right, whereas the reality is that social mobility is very low in the USA. Hollywood is full of fantasy rags-to-riches stories where one loser is plucked out of mediocrity to become a successful glamerous famous wealthy superstar.

Fri, 05 Feb 2010 15:04:00 UTC | #438817

Dr. Strangegod's Avatar Comment 26 by Dr. Strangegod

Mitch Kahle, Rtambree, roots2squared - You are all saying things that reveal a significant ignorance of American politics. You've jumped on the bandwagon, just as you accuse others with more nuanced views of having jumped on another. Wise up. Maybe study a little Michael Shermer to understand what skepticism really is.

8. Comment #458275 by Eshto - HA HA HA! Ranked excellent.

19. Comment #458310 by Communist - "Enough of the bipartisan talk. Trust the superiority of left wing secular ideology and act upon that trust." Also ranked excellent.

And will you all (who are US citizens) just send the damn thing? The Brits here always sign the online petitions when it's their turn. Only an avalanche of emails from the SCA will make the White House notice us.

Fri, 05 Feb 2010 15:07:00 UTC | #438819

root2squared's Avatar Comment 27 by root2squared

>Give the man a break. He's trying


Leaving aside the fact that he is not, as a wise green blob once put it - Do or do not. There is no try.

All this apologising for Obama resembles a religion where the Promised Land is just uphead - just keep believing, keep believing, keep believeing... hope and change.


Yes, Obamabots are like religiobots. They ignore evidence and believe what they want to.

@Lucas - Maybe you should educate yourself before accusing others of being ignorant. Do you get your data from any place else other than the NY times or MSNBC, or CNN? And also try to use some of the skepticism that you advise us to use.

Fri, 05 Feb 2010 15:14:00 UTC | #438821

Cook@Tahiti's Avatar Comment 28 by Cook@Tahiti

27. Comment #458427 by root2squared

Not that American Democrat voters have a monopoly on irrational voting behaviour. In the UK, millions opposed the invasion of Iraq, and then re-elected Tony Blair. Ditto for Australia - they also re-elected the party that took them to war.

So ultimately I guess it's the people's fault for continuing to vote for these warmongerers. You get the politicians you deserve.

Fri, 05 Feb 2010 15:23:00 UTC | #438826

Dr. Strangegod's Avatar Comment 29 by Dr. Strangegod

roots2squared - You said, "Now I call him black Bush. Interesting how he can do the same things that Bush did and still fool so many people. He's fast on his way to becoming a war criminal himself." To quote Rahm Emanuel (just to mess with your head), that's "fucking retarded."

And no, I don't watch TV or read the New York Times. This knee-jerk anti-Obama bullshit is pathetic. Again, wise up. There are plenty of valid reasons to be disappointed and irritated with Obama without having to be so simple-minded as to claim he's exactly the same as Bush. That is just as simple-minded as the Obama worshippers you seem to take people for.

But this is all way off topic, so I'm willing to leave it there if you are.

Fri, 05 Feb 2010 15:25:00 UTC | #438827

root2squared's Avatar Comment 30 by root2squared

29. Comment #458433 by Lucas on February 5, 2010 at 3:25 pm

Then what do you read? Are you aware that some of his policies are actually worse than Bush's and most are the same?

Have you heard of indefinite detention?

This is not knee jerk anti Obama bullshit. I was all for him just a year ago. It's a position I've arrived at slowly over a period of a year.

The facts and evidence are all there. You can call me simple minded or whatever or you can try applying some skepticism on Obama and educate yourself. I don't give a damn anyway.

Edit: www.commondreams.org is a good source for news.

Fri, 05 Feb 2010 15:35:00 UTC | #438830