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Ranting Socrates's Avatar Comment 1 by Ranting Socrates

Is this supposed to come as a surprise to us?

I cannot deploy a sentence of rationality at such barbaric actions.

Thu, 26 Aug 2010 11:38:34 UTC | #505775

Aflacduck's Avatar Comment 2 by Aflacduck

Below the article, theres a small list of attacks:

"2009 Five girls briefly slipped into comas and nearly 100 other pupils needed treatment after an alleged gas attack on their school. The victims were vomiting and dizzy, and some lost consciousness. Taliban sympathisers hostile to girls' education were blamed.

2008 In Logar province a primary school was targeted by arsonists intent on preventing local girls being taught. The suspected Taliban raiders were thwarted by a gang of fathers who chased them away.

February 2006 Armed gunmen walked through the school gates of Kartilaya school in Lashkar Gar and killed several pupils. The school consisted of mostly female students.

January 2006 A male teacher was dragged into the courtyard of a co-educational school and beheaded by suspected Taliban militants in Zabul province. The school had received threats for continuing to teach girls. 2002 Taliban sympathisers fired rockets at several schools in the Wardak province, near Kabul, as part of a sustained effort to stop parents from sending their daughters to study. They also raided a school at a village mosque, setting fire to chairs and blackboard."

Truly awful crimes, committed in the name of religious conviction. And people wonder if we can be moral without religion.

Thu, 26 Aug 2010 11:49:27 UTC | #505784

Raiko's Avatar Comment 3 by Raiko

"These people are not Muslims," said Mohammad Shamin, who rushed to hospital from work to see his 14-year-old daughter, who had been taken there after feeling dizzy.

"There is nothing in Islam that says you can attack girls."

It's difficult to understand that when such a vast amount of "Muslims" is behaving like immoral scum, people like Mohammad Shamin only say they are not Muslims, but never demand they should make their own faith where they can behave like barbaric guhls, if they please. They also never say "That's it, I quit and I'll form the Reformed Church for Mohammad" or something. (Christians do it all the time.) But I guess no Christian would find himself having to fear for his well-being for such an act, either. In that case, wouldn't the logical answer be: Okay, I quit this nonsense. No more "Muslim" for me, I quit that label!

Because that's what you'd do with any other group you belong to but you turn out to majorly disagree with. Especially when they do such things as attack other people.

Thu, 26 Aug 2010 12:06:51 UTC | #505797

Rosbif's Avatar Comment 4 by Rosbif

"There is nothing in Islam that says you can attack girls."

HA! Except the bits in the Hadith which explain how to beat women or what size stones can be used to kill women ...., but I guess that should be taken in context.

Thu, 26 Aug 2010 12:42:34 UTC | #505826

AtheistEgbert's Avatar Comment 5 by AtheistEgbert

Comment 4 by Rosbif :

"There is nothing in Islam that says you can attack girls."

HA!

Except the bits in the Hadith which explain how to beat women or what size stones can be used to kill women ...., but I guess that should be taken in context.

And also the Koran:

Surah 4:15 As for those of your women who are guilty of lewdness, call to witness four of you against them. And if they testify (to the truth of the allegation) then confine them to the houses until death take them or (until) Allah appoint for them a way (through new legislation).

Surah 4:34 Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.

Thu, 26 Aug 2010 13:08:37 UTC | #505837

Stafford Gordon's Avatar Comment 6 by Stafford Gordon

Boy! Are these guys frightened of females.

A chap who'd lived through the second world war, once said to me that a whole lot of trouble could have been avoided if only Hitler could have got his rocks off.

Sex. That's what it's about. They ain't getting none.

And are they going to be sore when the get to heaven and are handed a bowl of 72 white raisins. Just our little joke lads; we lied about the virgins. Have a grape.

S G

Thu, 26 Aug 2010 13:18:05 UTC | #505843

Dave H's Avatar Comment 7 by Dave H

"These people are not Muslims," said Mohammad Shamin, who rushed to hospital from work to see his 14-year-old daughter, who had been taken there after feeling dizzy. "There is nothing in Islam that says you can attack girls."

Actually, there is a plethora of misogynistic crap in Islam.

It brings to mind what physicist Stephen Weinberg said in The Atheism Tapes. Religious people will tell you that they use their religion to determine what is moral, when what they actually do is use their moral sense to determine what is religious. That being the case, what's the point of the religion?

Thu, 26 Aug 2010 13:27:06 UTC | #505848

Ignorant Amos's Avatar Comment 8 by Ignorant Amos

I must be getting paranoid again, what Dr Doctor?

Comment 20 by Dr Doctor I'm starting to think that Islamaphobia exists. Symptoms include frothing at the mouth ranting, believing in and perpetuating stereotypes as the norm rather than the exception and in the worst case quietly advocating for a Final Solution.

My, thats a natty black armband you are wearing. Shall we go out and smash a few shop windows?

Or is it mild Islamaphobia causing a tightening in my chest?

Thu, 26 Aug 2010 13:30:50 UTC | #505851

Dave H's Avatar Comment 9 by Dave H

Much as I dislike suggesting alternative explanations that might get the Taliban off the hook, the authorities haven't actually detected any poison yet. I wouldn't be surprised if multiple instances of classroom fainting were a daily occurrence during Ramadan fasting.

Thu, 26 Aug 2010 13:35:52 UTC | #505854

cheesedoff17's Avatar Comment 10 by cheesedoff17

Yesterday I watched a video of Paul Bloom at EDGE talking about kindness. In his view, if many people in the West are evolving towards more kindness and a more encompassing view of humanity it's thanks to the help of American sitcoms and literature.

If these tribal societies have not evolved it is because they have been cut off from the cultural processes that have had such an influence on our thinking. Their societies are stuck in a medieval bog.

Thu, 26 Aug 2010 14:00:03 UTC | #505863

Lapin Diabolique's Avatar Comment 11 by Lapin Diabolique

Well, we should count ourselves lucky that at least religion was around to provide a solid basis for moral behavior, without it, Lord knows what could have happened.

Thu, 26 Aug 2010 14:01:20 UTC | #505866

SomersetJohn's Avatar Comment 12 by SomersetJohn

Mohammad Asif Nang Calls it an attack against womens' education. I call it an attack against humanity.

Thu, 26 Aug 2010 14:34:39 UTC | #505883

Merco's Avatar Comment 13 by Merco

"These people are not Muslims," said Mohammad Shamin

Looks like most of us grabbed the same quote from the article to comment on. You see this comment from a random Muslim at the end of every article about a terrorist attack.

First of all, yes they are. As other commenters have pointed out the obvious which is that the holy texts in Islam are extremely misogynistic. I haven't read it, but it wouldn't surprise me if the Koran went as far as being as misogynistic as the Bible.

Second of all, as Raiko pointed out, the majority of Muslims do behave and think like that. So it's difficult to reconcile that kind of a comment while looking at the Muslims. Similarly, the majority of Christians don't oppose blood transfusions, so a Jehovah's Witness can't say "these people aren't Christians".

Third of all, who is he to say who's interpretation of the Koran is correct? Perhaps we could ask Allah.

I think this kind of mind set is harmful because it prevents people from coming to their senses after witnessing atrocities committed in the name of religion (particularly their own religion which they endorse), because they can brush it off as a perversion of the true faith.

Thu, 26 Aug 2010 14:51:30 UTC | #505896

zengardener's Avatar Comment 14 by zengardener

Even if this is result of mass hysteria, it still is quite telling of the fear that the Taliban has put into the population if it can elicit such a response.

Thu, 26 Aug 2010 17:29:22 UTC | #505997

Sue Blue's Avatar Comment 15 by Sue Blue

Well, considering that under the Taliban it was an offense worthy of death to educate women or girls, these girls have every reason to feel a little hysterical over a funky smell or a rumor of an attack. Also, you have to give credit to the Taliban. They know a threat when they see one. If girls get educated, they might begin to realize that dangling genitalia and an ability to grow facial hair do not make one human being superior to another. They might begin to question a religion that says so, and the Taliban can't have half the population suddenly calling "bullshit!" - their massively insecure little egos couldn't stand it. Having to wait until a girl is eighteen and then having to get her consent to marry?? Horrors! Acknowledging that women have brains and can actually read and write, among other things? Why, they might get uppity ideas!! Actually having to admit that women are human beings and not property like goats or furniture? Unthinkable!! I've often thought that the best way to end religion's intransigent hold on the world is to educate women. Every major religion teaches that women are not only inferior to men, but are potentially evil, endowed with supernatural powers of temptation that must be kept in check by assertive, God-empowered men. In many societies, women outnumber men and perform most of the essential labor. If they realized their potential through education, religion's power could be seriously weakened.

Thu, 26 Aug 2010 18:12:11 UTC | #506014

AtheistEgbert's Avatar Comment 16 by AtheistEgbert

Education, thinking and self-esteem are the enemies of religion.

Thu, 26 Aug 2010 19:02:50 UTC | #506034

Mrkimbo's Avatar Comment 17 by Mrkimbo

Every time I see the smiling face of some newly dead soldier holing his little girl or his wife's hand I think - 'is is really worth the death of good men like these to try to civilise these barbarians?'. Attacks like this suggest it just might be, though the regime the west has put in place in Afghanistan is pretty ghastly itself. I genuinely can't make up my mind on this one.

Thu, 26 Aug 2010 19:57:13 UTC | #506048

foundationist's Avatar Comment 18 by foundationist

Comment 15 by Dorris :

If girls get educated, they might begin to realize that dangling genitalia and an ability to grow facial hair do not make one human being superior to another.

You've got it completely wrong. The secret of our mighty superiority lies in the adams apple!

I've often thought that the best way to end religion's intransigent hold on the world is to educate women. Every major religion teaches that women are not only inferior to men, but are potentially evil, endowed with supernatural powers of temptation that must be kept in check by assertive, God-empowered men.

Well, credit where credit is true, this is not a hallmark of all religions, just of the abrahamic faith. In several of the oriental religions you'll find women in high regard, though in most cases still from a patriachal perspective. fortiter in re put it nicely in comment 6:

Sex. That's what it's about.

While womens education would be a great step forward for numerous reasons, the best way to combat religion is to get people laid. And to convince them that it's OK to get laid. Would solve tons of problems.

Thu, 26 Aug 2010 20:12:27 UTC | #506054

kev_s's Avatar Comment 19 by kev_s

Re: Comment 10 by cheesedoff17 Maybe ... I remember reading somewhere that the decline in birthrate in many largely catholic S.American countries had been put down to the fact that thye populace had been watching US sitcoms/SOAPs. The people made the connection between a comfortable, wealthy life-style and a small family. Much more effective than any conscious family program program and in the face of the counter-propaganda of the Catholic Church. Maybe Afganistan needs more TVs and then more SOAPs.

Thu, 26 Aug 2010 20:14:23 UTC | #506055

quarecuss's Avatar Comment 20 by quarecuss

Poisoning minds, poisoning bodies.

Thu, 26 Aug 2010 21:30:15 UTC | #506083

Philoctetes                                        's Avatar Comment 21 by Philoctetes

They were just begging for it with their mini burkas and see through veils.

Thu, 26 Aug 2010 21:31:00 UTC | #506084

Mayhemm's Avatar Comment 22 by Mayhemm

This is what I can't stand about so-called 'religious moderates'. They're so quick to dismiss horrible acts by other religious people as "not really X" or "just a perversion of X"....but if they really believed that, why aren't they a little more upset? I mean, they riot over Mohammad cartoons and go on and on about 'Islamophobia' til they're blue in the face, but here are people who they CLAIM are twisting their peaceful religion to justify evil deeds and they can't even be bothered to protest.

You'd think if they truly believed someone was perverting their faith, they'd be up in arms all over the world and stringing the heretics up. I mean, aren't heretics and defilers much more offensive than us atheists? Alas....no, it seems.

Fri, 27 Aug 2010 00:50:19 UTC | #506171

ShoutingQuietly's Avatar Comment 23 by ShoutingQuietly

It's so obvious why the taliban need to keep girls away from education, specially the internet. If they see a man online with more than 3 teeth and a beard less then 10ft long, theres no way they can be happy married to a talibani. Evan at age 10, not unusual for an Afghan bride, they are discerning enough, not to choose an old paedophile for a husband. Keep them ignorant for as long as possible and they never realise they have a choice.

Fri, 27 Aug 2010 03:31:12 UTC | #506206

FractalShift's Avatar Comment 24 by FractalShift

I've often thought that the best way to end religion's intransigent hold on the world is to educate women

The best way is to get more people online if you ask me.

Fri, 27 Aug 2010 05:51:25 UTC | #506227

bhm's Avatar Comment 25 by bhm

I' surprised the pro-Islam Atheist haven't shown up yet to say, "you're a racist for criticizing Islam".

Fri, 27 Aug 2010 06:59:30 UTC | #506239

mmurray's Avatar Comment 26 by mmurray

Comment 25 by bhm :

I' surprised the pro-Islam Atheist haven't shown up yet to say, "you're a racist for criticizing Islam".

Is there only one ? Be a devil and tell us the name of this person.

Michael

Fri, 27 Aug 2010 08:02:03 UTC | #506250

mmurray's Avatar Comment 27 by mmurray

Comment 17 by Mrkimbo :

Every time I see the smiling face of some newly dead soldier holing his little girl or his wife's hand I think - 'is is really worth the death of good men like these to try to civilise these barbarians?'. Attacks like this suggest it just might be, though the regime the west has put in place in Afghanistan is pretty ghastly itself. I genuinely can't make up my mind on this one.

Is that really why we are there ? I thought the idea was we fought them in Afghanistan to avoid fighting them in London, Sydney, New York etc.

Michael

Fri, 27 Aug 2010 08:06:58 UTC | #506251

Martiniii's Avatar Comment 28 by Martiniii

Tell us sth new. Nothing has changed. But some day...some day... imagine none of this. Hope I'll live to that(though it would mean some centuries ahead).

Fri, 27 Aug 2010 08:37:08 UTC | #506267

Stevehill's Avatar Comment 29 by Stevehill

We went to Afghanistan in 2001 to close down terrorist training camps (done) and to hopefully capture or kill Bin Laden (not done - why don't we ask Pakistan's ISI to extradite him?). We did not go on some sort of decades long white-man's-burden nation-building neo-colonial experiment.

If the people of Western nations been asked in 2001 whether we wanted to sacrifice thousands of soldiers to ensure that every Muslim girl got the chance to sit SATs, we'd have said you can't be serious: and what right is it for us to interfere in the internal affairs of a sovereign nation in that way? And if we do have such a right, why are we not doing the same in a few dozen other benighted nations where the people are equally deserving of better government?

I feel for the Afghan people, but the West is now probably more of a hindrance than a help: our presence there becomes a justification for Taliban atrocities.

It's time to bring the troops home.

Fri, 27 Aug 2010 09:50:37 UTC | #506308

black wolf's Avatar Comment 30 by black wolf

Waiting for the news item: "Last Taliban Militant strangled by last Woman to burn Burqa"

Updated: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 22:08:27 UTC | #506735