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Mention's Avatar Comment 1 by Mention

The waterworld of white self-pity! WHAT A LINE!

I love you, Christopher Hitchens, and I just know that my children and their children will know who you were. To me, you represent something that is every bit as important as anything else (I dare say, without reservation) that has happened in the last 100 years: The slow but steady change in the moral and intellectual zeitgeist that will one day help us look back at things like the Catholic church, Creationism and legislating against homosexuality and realize that we as a society can no longer even relate to those things.

If the 20th century brought about the end of imperialism, I trust that the 21st century will bring about end of superstition and the intellectual complacency of the "moderate" masses.

Thank you.

Tue, 31 Aug 2010 02:42:01 UTC | #508331

Neodarwinian's Avatar Comment 2 by Neodarwinian

As usual, god, god, god and more god, put him back here, there and everywhere. Is this the last gasp of religion? I really can not see the 22nd century beginning as this one has. I could be very wrong, though, and these nut jobs might be in revival is this century.

Updated: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 02:52:34 UTC | #508334

Eric Leblanc's Avatar Comment 3 by Eric Leblanc

Is this the last gasp of religion? I really can not see the 22nd century beginning as this one has. I could be very wrong, though, and these nut jobs might be in revival is this century.

Atheism is on the rise, but the acceleration will decrease in around thirty to fifty years, as there will be no rational person left to convert. Sometimes, even the most bigoted people don't fall to ad populum.

Tue, 31 Aug 2010 03:27:00 UTC | #508347

helena!'s Avatar Comment 4 by helena!

Here's a video that is a good example of the lunacy going that Hitch speaks of - it's mortifying that this is in fact not a comedy spoof but real actual people...

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Tue, 31 Aug 2010 03:40:46 UTC | #508351

KJinAsia's Avatar Comment 5 by KJinAsia

Mortifying indeed helena!. These people are fodder for fascism. Fear and loathing in DC.

Between these people on one side and cultural relativism on the other, the principles that actually promote pluralistic prosperity are in danger of being lost in the mayhem.

Tue, 31 Aug 2010 05:01:25 UTC | #508358

Stevehill's Avatar Comment 6 by Stevehill

"But it is increasingly common to hear allegations that Obama is either foreign-born or a Muslim. "

Whereas everyone else in America is of course directly descended from true native Americans.

The best hope is that normal sane people who might nevertheless exhibit some "white flight" tendencies will at least be deterred by a moment or two's consideration of what people like the Tea Party will do to their civil rights etc in other, non-religious areas. Like get their kids killed in futile wars. Or Palin's "drill baby drill" injunction: that played well with Louisiana fishermen, didn't it? Not to mention her abuse of power in hounding her sister's ex, a former government employee for petty, vindictive reasons...

They are nutters in all departments, not just one or two. If America thinks having Palin's finger on the nuclear button is a good idea, then "god" help them (and us).

Tue, 31 Aug 2010 06:02:18 UTC | #508370

Hammert1me's Avatar Comment 7 by Hammert1me

Hmmmm.... can we, in Europe, send them all the christian types we don't want as reinforcements?

Start with the entire vatican. John Howard. Tony Blair. The British Royal family, except the queen. J.

Tue, 31 Aug 2010 08:49:00 UTC | #508403

msloane's Avatar Comment 8 by msloane

The Washington Post quoted Linda Adams, a Beck supporter from Colorado, who said, "We want our country to get back to its original roots" So she's in favour of giving it back to the North American Indians ?

Tue, 31 Aug 2010 08:52:39 UTC | #508405

foundationist's Avatar Comment 9 by foundationist

Comment 8 by msloane :

The Washington Post quoted Linda Adams, a Beck supporter from Colorado, who said, "We want our country to get back to its original roots"

So she's in favour of giving it back to the North American Indians ?

No! Even more original than that! I heard that there are theories that the ancestors of the modern native americans were only the second wave of immigrants to arrive in America and actually supplanted or wiped out another group of peoples that came there even earlier. Let's go fight their decendants!

Side-note: I don't like the words white or black to describe skin-colors. There are no white people. Not even albinos are white. I'm a sort of pale pinkish-brown, a bit like mortadella, but less pink.

Tue, 31 Aug 2010 09:30:12 UTC | #508416

Stevehill's Avatar Comment 10 by Stevehill

Original roots? Didn't the early Alaskans cross the Bering land bridge from - whisper it not - Commie Russia?

Isn't Palin supposed to be Russian Orthodox Church?

Tue, 31 Aug 2010 11:04:48 UTC | #508453

KJinAsia's Avatar Comment 11 by KJinAsia

Comment 7 by Hammert1me :

Hmmmm.... can we, in Europe, send them all the christian types we don't want as reinforcements? Start with the entire vatican. John Howard. Tony Blair. The British Royal family, except the queen. J.

Speaking as a Canadian, I think our American friends have enough on their plate to deal with without having to deal with an enlarged religious problem.

On the other hand, if we all dumped our religious problems on the US, just think of the flood of talented Americans that would bail on the intolerance of the dumber half and seek domicile eslewhere. Canada would boom.

Awww, can't do it. Canadian guilt compels me to honour the free ride we've enjoyed for 143 years.

Tue, 31 Aug 2010 12:14:49 UTC | #508494

cheesedoff17's Avatar Comment 12 by cheesedoff17

I've just watched the LeftWingMedia video - link by Helena! comment 4

What is just so apparent here, as it was with the Tea Party interviews done by this same excellent journalist, is that whatever education these people had, it failed them. If education doesn't teach people to think and reason then it isn't an education at all.

Schools should provide children with the opportunity to intellectually surpass those of their parents. A child's brain should be something that should receive as much care and attention as the flowers in Kew Gardens.

Tue, 31 Aug 2010 13:31:45 UTC | #508536

Marc Country's Avatar Comment 13 by Marc Country

Crazy people are crazy.

Tue, 31 Aug 2010 13:36:55 UTC | #508541

Dr. Strangegod's Avatar Comment 14 by Dr. Strangegod

Ah, nativism. Thank you, Hitch. I was having a hard time figuring out how to describe what was going on. I kept thinking in terms of racism and xenophobia and nationalism and tribalism, but these are all combined and complicated within a basic nativism.

The Washington Post quoted Linda Adams, a Beck supporter from Colorado, who said... "her ancestors were on the Mayflower and fought in the American Revolution."

Let's do some fun math, shall we? It's been 390 years since the Mayflower. There were 102 passengers and about 30 crew. A average generation is about 25 years, but we'll go 30 for ease, and say that there have been 13 generations since the Mayflower. So, this woman's ancestors, if you do 2 to the 13th power (2 parents, 4 grandparents, 8 great-grandparents, etc.), number about 8192 back in 1620. How many of those were on the Mayflower?

Updated: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 15:19:41 UTC | #508616

foundationist's Avatar Comment 15 by foundationist

Comment 14 by Lucas :

So, this woman's ancestors, if you do 2 to the 13th power (2 parents, 4 grandparents, 8 great-grandparents, etc.), number about 8192 back in 1620. How many of those were on the Mayflower?

Well, there is a method to get a considerably lower number. And in the early years of colonizing a new peace of this planet it usually is a very common method.

Tue, 31 Aug 2010 17:48:01 UTC | #508744

nancynancy's Avatar Comment 16 by nancynancy

I do love you, Christopher Hitchens, and I spent half the morning reading your recent essays. It was a great treat to read your insightful observations and discover I agree with almost all of them. If I could wave a magic wand, I'd restore your health and grant you fifty more years. The world needs your intelligence, wit and spark of life.

Tue, 31 Aug 2010 23:49:48 UTC | #508889

Humanist Wikitopian's Avatar Comment 17 by Humanist Wikitopian

Comment 14 by Lucas :

Let's do some fun math, shall we? It's been 390 years since the Mayflower. There were 102 passengers and about 30 crew. A average generation is about 25 years, but we'll go 30 for ease, and say that there have been 13 generations since the Mayflower. So, this woman's ancestors, if you do 2 to the 13th power (2 parents, 4 grandparents, 8 great-grandparents, etc.), number about 8192 back in 1620. How many of those were on the Mayflower?

Well, here's some fun food for thought:

http://www.newenglandancestors.org/pdfs/obama_bush.pdf http://www.newenglandancestors.org/pdfs/obama_cheney.pdf http://www.newenglandancestors.org/pdfs/obama_ford.pdf http://www.newenglandancestors.org/pdfs/587_lbj_obama.pdf http://www.newenglandancestors.org/pdfs/obama_truman.pdf http://www.newenglandancestors.org/pdfs/obama_madison.pdf http://www.newenglandancestors.org/pdfs/obama_relee.pdf http://www.newenglandancestors.org/pdfs/obama_churchill.pdf http://www.newenglandancestors.org/pdfs/obama_pitt.pdf

So in all likelihood, Barack Hussein Obama Jr. (born 1961), and herself are probably Eleventh cousins!

Ancestors of Barack Obama on Familypedia
(Also, notice how Henry II of England (1133-1189) is believed to be Obama's 27th(x)-Great-Grandfather.)

Now who dares to tell them all that they also have "cousins" in the zoo?

Wed, 01 Sep 2010 00:09:35 UTC | #508891

biorays's Avatar Comment 18 by biorays

Whilst greater equitability seems, somehow, to be a component of such changes, I wonder how it is that rational freethought and educational rigour can be made moreso, if at all? Surely this is the component which truly magnifies any equitable humanity for future generations?

Are we simply seeing one delusion, or many, supplant existent ones? And are they any less dogmatically fixed in replicating intellectual dishonesty?

As many of us know, emotive dishonesty sells well to the minds of the emotions and fears of the next generations, and often way before freethinking education gets a look in!

Where is the mass migration of the rational 'tribe' in the world of mass information?

Wed, 01 Sep 2010 09:30:59 UTC | #509048

Philoctetes                                        's Avatar Comment 19 by Philoctetes

I blame the video producer. S/he must have very carefully selected the interviewees to most resemble ex-president Gump. But what amazed me most was; with the exception of the drooling swivel-eyed idiot first up, they all expressed their cretinous views so quietly and sincerely. I think we should start a movement to support this oppressed minority of christians whom are barred from their churches, schools and legislatures in the face of open and naked terrorism by presidentially supported members of his chosen faith. And don't get me started about the poor! - Bastards!

Wed, 01 Sep 2010 13:17:33 UTC | #509168