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kmaglione's Avatar Comment 1 by kmaglione

All I can say is, yay BBC. Even as a US citizen, a large portion of the little TV I watch is produced by the BBC (and the same goes for the radio), and I have very few complaints.

Sun, 05 Sep 2010 09:33:09 UTC | #511661

The Plc's Avatar Comment 2 by The Plc

That's nothing compared to the anti Flying Spaghetti Monster bias that you see on the BBC. The kind of blasphemy you'll see on Ready, Steady Cook would shock you.

Sun, 05 Sep 2010 09:38:08 UTC | #511665

Narvi's Avatar Comment 3 by Narvi

O'Brien fears that a BBC2 documentary on Catholic clerical abuse scandals on September 15, on the eve of Pope Benedict XVI’s visit, will amount to a “hatchet job” on the Vatican.

Here's an idea. If you want people to stop talking about how you rape kids, why don't you, y'know, STOP RAPING KIDS and STOP PROTECTING PAEDOPHILES? I have a feeling it would help.

Sun, 05 Sep 2010 09:47:53 UTC | #511667

EricTheRed's Avatar Comment 4 by EricTheRed

And the BBC still will not accept atheist views on ' Thought for the Day'

Sun, 05 Sep 2010 09:52:07 UTC | #511668

Rodger T's Avatar Comment 5 by Rodger T

Of course, the catoholic church could always start up its own tv station, with all its wealth . Im sure the brainwashed masses,sorry faithful, would be a guaranteed audience if the preachers tell them to watch theyll watch,and open their wallets on demand.

Updated: Sun, 05 Sep 2010 10:08:39 UTC | #511671

HardNosedSkeptic's Avatar Comment 6 by HardNosedSkeptic

O’Brien believes that disproportionate airtime is given to atheists such as Richard Dawkins, while mainstream Christian views he claims are held by 40m people in Britain have been marginalised.

Excuse me, but Richard is hardly ever on the BBC isn't he? There is a 'Richard Dawkins Season' on British TV at the moment, but it is on More 4. Why is he complaining to the BBC about that?

Sun, 05 Sep 2010 10:09:26 UTC | #511673

epeeist's Avatar Comment 7 by epeeist

Comment 6 by HardNosedSkeptic :

Excuse me, but Richard is hardly ever on the BBC isn't he? There is a 'Richard Dawkins Season' on British TV at the moment, but it is on More 4. Why is he complaining to the BBC about that?

Because the Tories are in power and look as though they could be prevailed upon against the BBC? Because the Tories have as Director of Communications someone who used to work for the Murdoch press and could be expected to do his master's bidding when it comes to emasculating the BBC?

Sun, 05 Sep 2010 10:22:36 UTC | #511677

kmaglione's Avatar Comment 8 by kmaglione

Comment 6 by HardNosedSkeptic : Excuse me, but Richard is hardly ever on the BBC isn't he? There is a 'Richard Dawkins Season' on British TV at the moment, but it is on More 4. Why is he complaining to the BBC about that?

That was my first thought, too. He's been on Horizon a few times, and he had a cameo on Doctor Who a couple of years ago, but aside from radio programs, the last thing I think he actually hosted on the BBC was a Horizon episode in 1986. And even then, that had nothing to do with religion, nor do his radio shows, so I can't see the problem.

Sun, 05 Sep 2010 10:28:44 UTC | #511679

SomersetJohn's Avatar Comment 9 by SomersetJohn

Perhaps this ranting fool is looking to his future. After all, His Excrescence Ratzo will not last forever, so there are probably a whole herd of theocratic parasites all vying to attract attention in order to progress.

Sun, 05 Sep 2010 10:36:08 UTC | #511682

Feuerbach's Avatar Comment 10 by Feuerbach

This is nothing less than an admission that the religions have failed to maintain their flock.

And in true form they turn to atheists as a target.

Sun, 05 Sep 2010 10:47:24 UTC | #511688

Stevehill's Avatar Comment 11 by Stevehill

“Senior news managers have admitted to the Catholic church that a radically secular and socially liberal mindset pervades their newsrooms..."

Gosh. That would pretty much reflect the real world then. How terrible!

96% of us do not attend a CoE or Catholic church service every week.

I think I'll complain about the amount of religion on God TV.

Sun, 05 Sep 2010 10:49:23 UTC | #511690

Imroy's Avatar Comment 12 by Imroy

[Our] detailed research into BBC news coverage of Christianity in general and Catholicism in particular, together with a systematic analysis of output by the Catholic church, has revealed a consistent anti-Christian institutional bias

Here's a suggestion Keith - don't always assume that you're right and that your actions are always good. That would be arrogant. Have you ever considered that you may (now) be the "bad guys"?

Sun, 05 Sep 2010 10:51:31 UTC | #511691

HardNosedSkeptic's Avatar Comment 13 by HardNosedSkeptic

Comment 8 by kmaglione :

Comment 6 by HardNosedSkeptic : Excuse me, but Richard is hardly ever on the BBC isn't he? There is a 'Richard Dawkins Season' on British TV at the moment, but it is on More 4. Why is he complaining to the BBC about that?

That was my first thought, too. He's been on Horizon a few times, and he had a cameo on Doctor Who a couple of years ago, but aside from radio programs, the last thing I think he actually hosted on the BBC was a Horizon episode in 1986. And even then, that had nothing to do with religion, nor do his radio shows, so I can't see the problem.

Thanks kmaglione. Exactly. Maybe he's just an idiot? :-)

Sun, 05 Sep 2010 11:02:37 UTC | #511698

Ygern's Avatar Comment 14 by Ygern

Ugh, I don't know why I even care what these horrible and irrelevant men have to say anymore.

But anyway, this is a standard Catholic (probably Christian) manipulation tactic when things aren't going their way: step one consists of trying to sound persecuted, step two makes unfounded allegations that they hope people will guiltily try to correct.

With a bit of luck sanity will prevail and the BBC will continue to ignore this nasty institution's whimperings except to throw a spotlight on their wrongdoings and morally bankrupt leaders.

@ WastedTourist: I think you win the thread.

Updated: Sun, 05 Sep 2010 11:04:42 UTC | #511699

man with stick's Avatar Comment 15 by man with stick

I can see it now. New schedule for the BBC news coverage, regular secular news reporting for the hours of 12:00, 18:00 and 21:00. The broadcasts at 9:00, 15:00 and 23:00 to be replaced with the news program 'What Would Jesus Do?'

A christian current affairs program reporting on global events. All negative news, be it natural disasters, the collapse of the economy, poor weather or political scandel have to finished with the phrase '...because they're godless.' All reports are subtitled by 24hr rolling passages from the bible, and at the conclusion of every broadcast, instead of the sport and weather the presenters ask the queston, 'what would jesus do?' Randomly selected quotes attributed to jesus surround a large spininng wheel with arrow and which ever quote the arrow lands on a high preist is brought in to interpret the message from god.

This should re-address the balance.

Sun, 05 Sep 2010 11:04:50 UTC | #511700

jcs's Avatar Comment 16 by jcs

I think the aim is to prevent that the BBC2 documentary on Catholic clerical abuse scandals on September 15 is aired.

Sun, 05 Sep 2010 11:10:24 UTC | #511703

Cartomancer's Avatar Comment 17 by Cartomancer

Yeah, thing is Britain actually IS a socially liberal, overwhelmingly secular country by and large. All the opinion polls show this. Johann Hari wrote an interesting article during the election this year on how the non-terrestrial media (i.e. the Murdochracy) consistently manages to portray us as more right-wing than we are, and our antiquated voting system consistently returns governments with a much greater right-wing bias than the raw votes themselves would mandate.

http://www.johannhari.com/2010/04/22/the-forces-that-have-been-blocking-british-democracy-are-becoming-visible-in-this-election

Besides which, traditionally left-wing liberal social values are simply superior to traditionally right-wing conservative social values. There's no getting round that fact. Equality for women and gay people (because that's really what the catholics are on about, isn't it?), tolerance, diversity and a commitment to the economic wellbeing of all, not just the rich, are actually morally sound, whereas patriarchy, unthinking traditionalism, division, homophobia and the enrichment of the wealthy at the expense of everyone else are not.

What the Archbishop is really complaining about, it seems to me, is simply the treatment of christianity on something like the same level as any other cultural phenomenon. I say something like, because we all know that the BBC still exhibits a distinctly pro-religion bias in many areas. Thought for the Day has already been mentioned, as has the fact Richard's programming would never be commissioned or shown by the BBC. It seems, though, that the BBC is beginning to recognise that we're one of the least religious countries on earth, and cutting back religious programming accordingly. Well done BBC.

Sun, 05 Sep 2010 11:17:36 UTC | #511707

AtheistEgbert's Avatar Comment 18 by AtheistEgbert

So let's get this straight. He's accusing the BBC of being too secular? Isn't that the correct position to take? So basically the Catholic Church is an anti-secular institution that threatens the freedoms of a fair secular society. Interesting...

Sun, 05 Sep 2010 11:24:24 UTC | #511711

JamesR's Avatar Comment 19 by JamesR

“Senior news managers have admitted to the Catholic church that a radically secular and socially liberal mindset pervades their newsrooms"...

OK then do you think they made that admission with a straight face? And without snikering?

Sun, 05 Sep 2010 11:33:45 UTC | #511714

Peter Grant's Avatar Comment 20 by Peter Grant

Sounds more to me like a bias against institutions than an institutional bias.

Sun, 05 Sep 2010 11:40:14 UTC | #511718

HardNosedSkeptic's Avatar Comment 21 by HardNosedSkeptic

Comment 18 by AtheistEgbert :

So let's get this straight. He's accusing the BBC of being too secular? Isn't that the correct position to take? So basically the Catholic Church is an anti-secular institution that threatens the freedoms of a fair secular society. Interesting...

Good point. I think it's worth noting that the Catholic Church is pretty inconsistent when it comes to secularism. In countries where catholics are the minority (like China and Saudi Arabia) they jump up and down demanding more religious freedom. Whereas in countries that were traditionally strongly catholic (Spain, Ireland, Italy etc.) they rant about "the secular menace". They're trying to have it both ways.

Sun, 05 Sep 2010 11:43:07 UTC | #511720

Logicel's Avatar Comment 22 by Logicel

UK and any other other country for that matter will only become anti-Christian if Christians are prohibited from practicing their religion. A country that routinely criticizes religions including the dominant one, are not anti-religious, they are secular.

Radically secular? I wonder what these Catholic dipshits think secular is? If they can't stem the ebbing of Catholic programming, they then want to make sure that simply criticizing Catholicism does not happen and if it does make it seems that it is anti-Catholic. They do not truly embrace what secular means, secular does not mean that we have a soft spot for religions and continue to shield them from the critical spotlight, though the actual religion can be still practiced by its adherents. Secular means that religions are no longer subsidized by the government.

In a secular society, religion will no longer have a privileged place in society, hence, many religious believers will hate secularism, even though they can freely practice their particular brand of superstition (unlike in theocracies). They do not just want the right to practice their superstition, they want coddling, deference, and respect on demand. They want to be agreed with even though they have no evidence and usually make no sense.

Updated: Sun, 05 Sep 2010 11:46:22 UTC | #511721

Squigit's Avatar Comment 23 by Squigit

“Senior news managers have admitted to the Catholic church that a radically secular and socially liberal mindset pervades their newsrooms.

Reality has a liberal bias anyways.

How can you be "radically secular" anyways? Doesn't make much sense, kind of like "atheist fundamentalist".

Sun, 05 Sep 2010 11:57:30 UTC | #511728

PrimeNumbers's Avatar Comment 24 by PrimeNumbers

First point is he's wrong - the BBC still has quite a pro-religious bias. Second, I'm sure there are more practising atheists in the UK than are practising Catholics.

Sun, 05 Sep 2010 12:10:20 UTC | #511740

madmod's Avatar Comment 25 by madmod

A few hightlights: the BBC has "a radically secular and socially liberal outlook"... "a reduction in religious programming on the BBC and its failure to appoint a religion editor to mirror similar roles for the arts, science and business"... "a consistent anti-Christian institutional bias"

... and, assuming all of this is correct, what exactly is the problem?

Sun, 05 Sep 2010 12:24:14 UTC | #511744

Ivan The Not So Bad's Avatar Comment 26 by Ivan The Not So Bad

He is also alarmed by a reduction in religious programming on the BBC...

BBC Radio 4 is obliged under the terms of the licence agreement to broadcast 200 hours of religious programming a year. It currently broadcasts 225.

[Our] detailed research into BBC news coverage of Christianity in general and Catholicism in particular.........has revealed a consistent anti-Christian institutional bias.

Perhaps the RC Church is merely being reported on in exactly the way you would expect for any other lying, child-raping, avoidable-disease spreading, mysogonistic and homophobic institution. You reap what you sow, as it were.

Sun, 05 Sep 2010 13:00:54 UTC | #511761

Dark Matter's Avatar Comment 27 by Dark Matter

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Sun, 05 Sep 2010 13:36:39 UTC | #511780

chawinwords's Avatar Comment 28 by chawinwords

Boo, hoo, hoo! Oh those poor persecuted Catholics, having to sit in the back of the bus. After so many centuries of owning the whole bus with a stake and faggots at every bus stop. Boo, hoo, hoo!

Sun, 05 Sep 2010 13:41:17 UTC | #511783

Alive's Avatar Comment 29 by Alive

Oh Yeah DM that will really help your cause. Look at us rational people. If you have points to make, which I am sure you have, then wouldn't it be better to do it through intelligent means?

'Anger dwells only in the bosom of fools' Einstein

Sun, 05 Sep 2010 13:46:32 UTC | #511784

Roger J. Stanyard's Avatar Comment 30 by Roger J. Stanyard

O'Brien is a tedious old jerk. This soprt of whinge about the BBC dates back to the 1920s. The Tories claim it is biased towards Labour/socilaists/liberals...the Left claims it is biased towards Tories/Capitalism/status quo...etc.. Take yoy pick according to what sort of whinge you want today.

The BBC is an easy target. It can't satisfy every vested interest and half wit opinion.

The BBC has a legal requirement tio be fair and balanced. Very, very few of its critics have such a legal obligation; nor do any of them practice what they preach.

It's a fact of life that the BCC reflects tyhe society, culture and political environment in which it operates. All broadcasters do so. There isn't any other option.

Yep, the BBC reflects that fact that the vast majority of the population are indifferent to or disinterested in religion. 40 million of the population of the UK are not Christian. Only about 6% of the population attent church on a Sunday. Songs of Praise is hardly high up the list of popular programming. If 40 million of the population were religious, then the 16 religious TV channels on satellite would all be pulling in a fortune and signing up for scarce tererstrial spectrum. C4, ITV and C5 would be putting on competition to Songs of Praise. We'd have Sky Religion as a premium pay-TV service.

What O'Brien's real whinge is that the BBC is not giving him free air time. Doesn't seem to have the honesty to admit that no one wants to listen to him or his opinions about religion.

Sun, 05 Sep 2010 13:54:00 UTC | #511791