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babel76's Avatar Comment 1 by babel76

What else can you say but 'Fucking idjits, all of them!' This includes the media that turned this into a global news item, for some reason.

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 12:44:33 UTC | #515429

chawinwords's Avatar Comment 2 by chawinwords

It would be funny, but it is insane and just as one atheist has said; religions screw up every thing (insanity driver).

Here we have one nut preacher in Florida who said God told him to burn copies of the Koran. Then another nut preacher, saying they have already burned the Koran and jealous that they did not get the same public attention for their own insanity.

If that screwball Terry Jones wanted to make such a point, then he should have loaded up his congregation in a plane and traveled to Kabul and burned the Koran there in the public square surrounded by Muslims.

But, such religious cowardice is all too, long distance, common.

The problem won't go away any time soon because there are lots of religious nuts in both faiths for God to personally instruct to do crazy actions, found only in their crazy, schizophrenic minds.

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 12:53:44 UTC | #515433

Mrkimbo's Avatar Comment 3 by Mrkimbo

I don't give a stuff about burning the Koran per se, but the bottom line is that there are perfectly healthy human beings walking around today who will be dead by Monday if it goes ahead.

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 12:56:27 UTC | #515435

Stella's Avatar Comment 4 by Stella

I agree with Mrkimbo.

I support this idiot's right to burn whatever he wants, including Korans, Bibles, Big Macs, or American flags.

But I think this is a pointlessly incendiary (pun intended) exercise that can only lead to deaths (probably of innocent, unrelated people).

Also, the irony would be delicious if the whole thing wasn't so utterly absurd.

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 13:07:06 UTC | #515443

foundationist's Avatar Comment 5 by foundationist

The attention is what's driving this story out of control. Even Chancellor Merkel and Ban Ki Moon had to state their opposition to the Quran burning scheme. The secret would be to shut up until some journalist jerk asks you about it, and then say: "Well, they are idiots! What'd you expect?" If Obama and all the other officials had taken this approach from the beginning (in this matter as well as in several others) it wouldn't come to a big fuss in the Muslim community. If it is clearly just a couple of lunatics, then even the lunatics on the other side would think it strange to start rioting over it. When the media and politicians treat this kind of nonsense as a serious issue, it adds weight to the affair.

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 13:07:31 UTC | #515444

PrimeNumbers's Avatar Comment 6 by PrimeNumbers

@Mrkimbo - and there will be people killed even if the event stays cancelled. And any signs of violence - already I'm reading reports (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-11258739) is a sure sign that the "religion of peace" is not, and they're a bunch of violent scumbags. Where are the condemnations of this Islamic violence?

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 13:10:00 UTC | #515446

Tyler Durden's Avatar Comment 7 by Tyler Durden

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No thanks! I have read enough crazy on this matter as it is :)

Let Pastor Jones burn whatever he likes, just don't report it. If a tree falls in the woods, and all that...

If Jones puts it on YouTube himself, dismiss it as propaganda.

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 13:15:24 UTC | #515451

dreamer-71's Avatar Comment 8 by dreamer-71

I wonder if Obama is regretting personally calling upon Jones to not burn the koran. Although perhaps politically necessary for him to do so, he should have known that some other wingnut would step up. I doubt he would want to dirty himself even mentioning the Westboro clan.

P.S. to Stella: burn Big Macs?? Sacrilege!

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 13:17:21 UTC | #515453

Stafford Gordon's Avatar Comment 9 by Stafford Gordon

How charming, how absolutely charming; they're such sweet poppets aren't they.

S G

Updated: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 13:22:07 UTC | #515454

Rasmus_Holm's Avatar Comment 10 by Rasmus_Holm

Welcome to the wonderful world of religious absurdities.

Today we feature crazy priests being upset that they did not get attention for burning "holy" books. Muslims threatening violence and murder if burning goes ahead, and world leaders condemning the burning of books and not a word on the insane threats of violence and murder.

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 13:25:33 UTC | #515462

OmegaBaby's Avatar Comment 11 by OmegaBaby

Fundamentalists are going to get so confused. They're going to want to support Westboro for the whole book burning thing. But Westboro also thinks God hates America! I can't imagine what will be going on in the minds of people who are used to seeing things in black and white.

This should get interesting.

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 13:47:58 UTC | #515476

CarolineMary's Avatar Comment 12 by CarolineMary

Teagged "Wingnuts"

Says it all, really.

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 13:48:18 UTC | #515478

1Derek's Avatar Comment 13 by 1Derek

The burning of a book gives one justification to do what?

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 14:12:20 UTC | #515506

roystonjohn's Avatar Comment 14 by roystonjohn

Why burn one religious book and cause a problem, when we can burn every religious book and solve one.

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 14:13:08 UTC | #515509

Roland_F's Avatar Comment 15 by Roland_F

he should have loaded up his congregation in a plane and traveled to Kabul and burned the Koran there in the public square surrounded by Muslims.

which is a really good idea - what can happend to them if god Yaheweh relly told them to do so and is on their site ...

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 14:23:28 UTC | #515517

cheesedoff17's Avatar Comment 16 by cheesedoff17

Of the 11 countries complaining, mostly Muslim, only India has asked it's media not to cover or show images of the event, if it goes ahead. The other Muslim countries will probably condone any violence if it breaks out. Our politicians will agree with them.

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 14:24:43 UTC | #515519

jel's Avatar Comment 17 by jel

Religions eh?

Do none of these morons realise that the best response to any of these tossers, is to just ignore them. Don't threaten violent retaliation, that's what they want you to do, rise above it and show them up for the brain dead numpties they are.

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 14:58:19 UTC | #515543

GPWC's Avatar Comment 18 by GPWC

Now that this has broken out into a global story and Muslims around the world are cranking up the wardancing, I've rather changed my mind about the whole thing. First I was totally against the book burning, but now I'm thinking it will be an even worse result if the Muslims claim a victory if the book burning gets cancelled.... ohhhh my brain hurts.

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 15:07:07 UTC | #515553

Axeman33's Avatar Comment 19 by Axeman33

Comment 17 by jel :

Religions eh? Do none of these morons realise that the best response to any of these tossers, is to just ignore them. Don't threaten violent retaliation, that's what they want you to do, rise above it and show them up for the brain dead numpties they are.

That's a great idea. However, it's just going to show what a violent religion islam is.

It would be nice if the relgious nuts would just take each other out, but unfortunately, many innocent people would be in harms way as well.

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 15:14:58 UTC | #515563

LetsHaveAnAdventure's Avatar Comment 20 by LetsHaveAnAdventure

My annoyance as a function of a group's idiocy is periodic. As we pass from moderate Christianity through the forest of Mormonism, most Christian fundamentalism, Scientology, and most Islam, I, like many people, get progressively more irritated and concerned. Once we hit the WBC, it's looped almost completely back to funny. It's a shame that they picket so many funerals of innocent people, and from hearing Nate Phelps's gruesome story, it's clear that Social Services should consider setting up a permanent tent outside their house. But aside from that, they're a fairly benign "Bark > Bite" anomaly that provides more funny than anything else.

However, the first amendment deserves respect even in its most vile expressions. If the WBC chooses to express its depressingly stupid beliefs without physically harming anyone, and if Muslims overseas respond with violence, it is the Muslims who should be held responsible. There's a kind of subtle racism in the idea that people in the middle east should be sheltered from information about Western culture, whether from pornography or even the most absurd expressions of free speech, for fear that they can't handle it. People in the middle east are people just as much as people anywhere else. They're not perpetual children, and it is they who should be held accountable, not those who peacefully provoked them, when their hostility turns to violence.

And yet...there's the practical issue of how to avoid the harm of the innocent people in the path of the crazy religious armed with the weapon of hurt feelings. If India is the only country choosing not to cover the event, it should be made as clear as possible to people in the middle east that nearly everyone in America hates the WBC. If there's a danger of Danish-cartoon-style violence, perhaps President Obama could make a statement on Al Jazeera? At very least it might make it clear that if the fanatics plan to hurt anyone, they should focus on the WBC.

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 15:19:05 UTC | #515566

freedslave's Avatar Comment 21 by freedslave

Cannot decide who is crazier than whom.

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 15:58:09 UTC | #515597

root2squared's Avatar Comment 22 by root2squared

Lol. The PDF is hilarious. It sucks the other nuts called it off. Hopefully, these idiots will go ahead with it.

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 17:40:22 UTC | #515664

kram50's Avatar Comment 23 by kram50

I would agree that if the media didn't give this issue much coverage, that it would blow over,...maybe! But really, how could it not get this attention, since the issue of religion vs the "new atheists" debate has been in the news for quite some time now; the media has a hard time avoiding something like this. One couldn't ask for a better example of stupidity on display for all to see. Religion...what a joke!

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 18:07:46 UTC | #515689

alaskansee's Avatar Comment 24 by alaskansee

someone needs to stand up and burn some bibles, not for revenge but for freedom of speech and to restore the natural balance of stupidity.

Like the outrage over burning of flags, if it's the idea that's the important thing not the artifact then you can't be held to ransom. This kind of thing could be good publicity for the tolerant muslim world over the intolerant christian one but they're just not clever enough to make lemonade out of lemons.

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 18:29:20 UTC | #515700

EvN's Avatar Comment 25 by EvN

Comment 24 by alaskansee

someone needs to stand up and burn some bibles, not for revenge but for freedom of speech and to restore the natural balance of stupidity.

Check this out. A muslim wants to burn bibles in retaliation and ... wait for it ... a muslim has approached the courts for an injunction to stop the bible burning!

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 18:37:42 UTC | #515702

SimonG's Avatar Comment 26 by SimonG

Westboro make the duve outrach center look pretty intelligent and well thought out... they used to get a lot of media attention but now no one really cares about them to any great extent, i think they are after some more media coverage.

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 19:15:03 UTC | #515721

the great teapot's Avatar Comment 27 by the great teapot

It makes me laugh that these people are using a handfull of books of which there are a further hundreds of millions in the world, I've even got one myself- i like a good laugh, as some sort off bargaining chip against Muslims. How do they suppose that works. Have they got them dress in orange jump suits? Muslims will actually be hoping they do it just to give them something to parade their mock indignation against.

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 19:19:04 UTC | #515722

Questionator's Avatar Comment 28 by Questionator

Muslims and Christians burning each others holey books? Who am I to complain.

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 19:45:15 UTC | #515735

AlphaAndΩmegaman's Avatar Comment 29 by AlphaAndΩmegaman

If a group of Christians living in America threatened to kill anyone who burned a Bible, do you think the President would condemn and in turn blame the book burners for such a threat?

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 20:07:48 UTC | #515745

Rob Schneider's Avatar Comment 30 by Rob Schneider

I could only make it to comment 4 before I exploded:

STELLA!!!! (done in my best Marlon Brando/Streetcar Named Desire voice) Stop relying on the kindness of strangers!!!

IF someone gets injured as a result of this stupid, pointless Koran burning, save all your opprobrium and anger for the people committing the CRIME!!! (hint: it's not the guy burning his property.)

Stop saying, "Oh, we have to prevent crime from happening by kowtowing to the threats of crime." Any Muslim threatening violence over this is out of bounds. Period. Mr. Jones is stupid; reacting to him (especially with anything more violent than sneering disgust, loud speech, or a yawn) is where the problem lies. Crack down on religiously motivated violence, period!!!!

Protect the "speech" no matter how reprehensible. Prevent the crime/violence, no matter if it is claimed in the name of God. (or rather, especially if it is claimed in the name of God/Allah.) We have "hate crime" enhancers over here. If someone kills say, a black person, it is one thing; but if they do it while shouting how much they despise black people, a "hate crime enhancer" is added to the charge, making it much more serious. The same should be true for religiously motivated violence. I can think of nothing more hateful than that.

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 20:14:18 UTC | #515750