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stephenb1960's Avatar Comment 1 by stephenb1960

I know pointless "I'm First!" comments are actually pointless, but: Being first I have noticed that the link isn't working. Once I can read the whole article, I will be able able to see if the soporific nature of what I can read so far continues...

Fri, 17 Sep 2010 00:50:09 UTC | #519512

Dean Buchanan's Avatar Comment 2 by Dean Buchanan

I second the first

Fri, 17 Sep 2010 00:53:05 UTC | #519517

Matt B's Avatar Comment 3 by Matt B

I found it here:


Fri, 17 Sep 2010 00:58:01 UTC | #519518

Cartomancer's Avatar Comment 4 by Cartomancer

I can't get the "continue reading" link to work, and given the dire and blatantly biased nature of what is here, I don't really want to. This is dreck of the highest order.

The four-day papal visit, which begins Thursday, has prompted negative reactions by far exceeding anything the Pope has encountered when traveling even to non-Christian countries such as Turkey or Israel.

Britain, too, is a non-christian country. It is, for the most part, a secular and non-religious country that has embraced much of progressive modern morality - unlike Turkey and Israel which still languish with massively powerful religious lobbies in their societies. This, I think you'll find, is why we're the ones kicking up the fuss.

The protests have ranged from the mean-spirited and the tasteless to the vehemently ideological. Some even called for the Pope's arrest upon his arrival

Because clearly it's mean-spirited, tasteless and vehemently ideological to call for the arrest of someone suspected of covering up thousands of paedophile rape cases. I can't think how that could be motivated by anything else, like a desire to see justice done and the guilty punished for instance.

At the bottom of the scale, the cost of the visit — an estimated 10 million pounds (about 15.4 million U.S. dollars) to British taxpayers — has generated repeated complaints, although such protests are never heard when other heads of state come to Britain.

Other heads of state generally have democratic mandates to be here, represent real rather than made-up countries, have genuine contributions to make to a productive international dialogue and aren't outspoken bigoted opponents of modernity. Most aren't responsible for millions of deaths in Africa either.

The government offered an apology to the Holy See, but the prank betrayed the sort of ignorant contempt that passes for cleverness in the corridors of power in Britain.

Yes. An official apology to the Vatican betrays nothing but ignorant contempt - contempt for the millions who disapprove of its odious policies and don't want to see it honoured with legitimacy and respect it doesn't deserve. The corridors of power in Britain ring all too often with such ignorant and fawning gestures.

The National Secular Society, an atheist lobby group...

Please get it right, the clue's in the name. The NSS is a SECULAR lobby group, not an atheist lobby group. The two are quite different.

... has submitted to the government a petition against the papal tour and will demonstrate against the pontiff during the visit. The group's opinions are quoted widely and even promoted in the British press whenever the papal visit is discussed.

Oh the insanity! Quick, get the fainting couches out! Media listens to concerns of secularists! Like over 90% of the population! Some media organisations not in thrall to right-wing ideologues and uncritically deferent to religious opinion! What is the world coming to!

The society’s protests against Islam, by contrast, seem limited to campaigning against the ritual slaughter of animals.

Apart from the fact this isn't true, have they stopped to think that the main situation where islamic ideas threaten the secular laws of Britain IS in halal slaughterhouses? Should the Ayatollah Khameni be treated to a lavish taxpayer-funded state visit, I'm sure the NSS would respond accordingly. But it tends to only be christian parasites like Ratzinger who get that, since there are many in the establishment who think there is a difference between their respective brands of anti-human witch-doctoring.

I'd like to think it were true, and that the Vatican will withdraw from Britain all the more in the future, but sadly I can't see it.

Fri, 17 Sep 2010 01:06:14 UTC | #519522

mordacious1's Avatar Comment 5 by mordacious1

Of course, this article is from Newsmax media. (Rolls eyes)

Fri, 17 Sep 2010 01:07:15 UTC | #519523

mmurray's Avatar Comment 6 by mmurray

Comment 5 by mordacious1 :

Of course, this article is from Newsmax media. (Rolls eyes)

Ah thanks. I had never heard of this before

Forbes magazine says regular readers include Newt Gingrich and John Templeton Jr. [8]

'Nuff said.


Fri, 17 Sep 2010 01:12:48 UTC | #519524

wildhog's Avatar Comment 7 by wildhog

"After a few decades in which the traditional anti-Catholic prejudices fell into abeyance, the basic anti-popish reflexes of an ancient Protestant nation have come back with a vengeance, spurred on by ideological attacks on the only Christian church that seems to stand for anything at all."

As if standing for child rape is better than standing for nothing at all!

Fri, 17 Sep 2010 01:16:27 UTC | #519527

tboulay's Avatar Comment 8 by tboulay

Again with the:

"Professor Richard Dawkins of Oxford University, the evolutionary scientist and militant atheist whose book “The God Delusion” sold millions, has stated that he would try to stage a citizen’s arrest of the Pope."

Seriously, how can these trash outlets get away with outright lies. They just keep repeating until it sticks with the ignorant masses.

It's extremely frustrating! (and that's for me just reading it, I'd be blowing my lid if I were in Richards shoes)

Fri, 17 Sep 2010 01:56:43 UTC | #519545

stephenb1960's Avatar Comment 9 by stephenb1960

Hmmmm...I was right. I'm just going out now for a double-shot espresso and a Litre of Red Bull.

Fri, 17 Sep 2010 02:42:46 UTC | #519557

crocswsocks's Avatar Comment 10 by crocswsocks

Wow. The Vatican is acting more posh than stereotypical British, and the British are acting very Australian.

Fri, 17 Sep 2010 02:46:01 UTC | #519560

Mayhemm's Avatar Comment 11 by Mayhemm

Comment 6 by mmurray :

Comment 5 by mordacious1 :

Of course, this article is from Newsmax media. (Rolls eyes)

Ah thanks. I had never heard of this before

Forbes magazine says regular readers include Newt Gingrich and John Templeton Jr. [8]

'Nuff said.


This is the one that says it all though:

During an appearance on Fox News Channel, Sarah Palin cited Newsmax first as one of her top news sources, and described it as "very valuable, very helpful."

Fri, 17 Sep 2010 02:46:41 UTC | #519561

ruthyq's Avatar Comment 12 by ruthyq

If you want to express your distaste at John Laughland's article you can always let him know....

Fri, 17 Sep 2010 03:05:38 UTC | #519563

Most curious's Avatar Comment 13 by Most curious

I wish I were going to be in London to protest the "Lord Protector of Child Molesters".

Fri, 17 Sep 2010 03:34:26 UTC | #519567

Mrkimbo's Avatar Comment 14 by Mrkimbo

We're pissing off the Pope and the American right too! Proud to be British.

Fri, 17 Sep 2010 03:50:45 UTC | #519569

sara g's Avatar Comment 15 by sara g

Did this article come from Bizzaro World. It sure seemed like compliments were intended as insults and genuinely insulting stuff was intended as a compliment.

Fri, 17 Sep 2010 03:52:18 UTC | #519570

Antipodean Atheist's Avatar Comment 16 by Antipodean Atheist

Militant atheists aye... I had no idea we now have a para-military wing... oh right that's because we don't, unlike so many religious groups.

Fri, 17 Sep 2010 04:16:25 UTC | #519578

erindorothy's Avatar Comment 17 by erindorothy

Go you wonderful strident Brit atheists! Annoy the hell out of his popeiness please.

Fri, 17 Sep 2010 04:35:48 UTC | #519587

mirandaceleste's Avatar Comment 18 by mirandaceleste

This cat = the Vatican

Fri, 17 Sep 2010 05:30:13 UTC | #519594

Alternative Carpark's Avatar Comment 19 by Alternative Carpark

Surprised? Perhaps it is because England is, in fact, NOT a third-world country.

The church reminds me of tobacco companies - as the developed world becomes increasingly aware of the dangers of their "product", they start retreating to the developing world, in search of new ignorant suckers, sorry, sheep, sorry, customers.

Fri, 17 Sep 2010 05:49:42 UTC | #519600

Dax's Avatar Comment 20 by Dax

Strange... I always thought that the NSS is a secular lobby group, not an atheist one. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if the NSS would have religious supporters, too, since all they do is lobby against religious privileges and in favour of a truly equal state.

I guess some writer is just a bit angry with all these evil secularists who demand equality under the law, for everyone! How dare they, evil secularists!

Fri, 17 Sep 2010 06:29:08 UTC | #519612

Philster61's Avatar Comment 21 by Philster61

Shocked at Britain's hostile nature. Didn't a Vatican aide accuse the UK of being third world Atheist extremism? Wonder why then UK would be hostile???

Fri, 17 Sep 2010 06:41:09 UTC | #519616

andersemil's Avatar Comment 22 by andersemil

Big round of applause to Britain! May you offend many more religious leaders in the years to come!

Fri, 17 Sep 2010 06:43:49 UTC | #519617

hungarianelephant's Avatar Comment 23 by hungarianelephant

If I were the Vatican I'd be more shocked at the general apathy of the reaction. A crowd of 60,000 in one of the Catholic strongholds? You get more than that at a Celtic game - and they'll sell all their tickets to rare gigs at a lot more than £20 a throw.

I understand that in the last visit the crowd was 250,000. A 75% drop in a generation is serious stuff.

Fri, 17 Sep 2010 07:29:13 UTC | #519623

opposablethumbs's Avatar Comment 24 by opposablethumbs

Cheap shots, misrepresentation, outright lies ... what a tacky little diatribe. But then I stopped to think that it might have banged on a bit more about how the "real" Britain really wuvs dem ... now that would have been really offensive!

It's great that the opposition to the "state" visit is such that it is not possible completely to ignore it. If only we took an even stronger, more active stand against other religion-associated law-breaking too - the child abuse cover-up, the child abuse of FGM, the discrimination ... and the halal slaughtering too: all into the fecking sack, the lot of them.

Who knows, maybe this is the last ever "state" visit to the UK by a pope - that would be something to be proud of!

Fri, 17 Sep 2010 07:33:23 UTC | #519628

thinkknot's Avatar Comment 25 by thinkknot

The Rat is only the second Pope to set foot on British soil since the Reformation ... get the message ... you are not welcome here ...

Fri, 17 Sep 2010 07:48:41 UTC | #519629

Reason Saves's Avatar Comment 26 by Reason Saves

Maybe, just maybe, the lack of interest in the Pope's visit will send the message that the policies of the catholic church are no longer compatible with British society.

Quite apart from the theological nonsense, the child abuse cover-up, the condom issue, the discrimination against homosexuals and women -- such things are not acceptable to most of us. If the catholic church wants more support in the UK, it surely needs to change.

But it won't. Not while this pope is running the show.

Fri, 17 Sep 2010 09:07:10 UTC | #519664

ironside's Avatar Comment 27 by ironside

Today, Friday, the pope and the Arch Bish are praying together at the shrine of Edward the Confessor. As well as being bad theologians these churchmen seem to have selective historical memories. Was it not the Pope in 1065/66 who issued William the Bastard with a Papal banner and encouragement to invade England?

Shouldn't we have an apology for this and for the other times the Papacy has tried to interfere in our internal affairs?

Fri, 17 Sep 2010 09:31:53 UTC | #519674

Stafford Gordon's Avatar Comment 28 by Stafford Gordon

Not worth a comment.

Fri, 17 Sep 2010 09:33:12 UTC | #519675

Pete H's Avatar Comment 29 by Pete H

"John Laughland, a British citizen, is studies director at the Institute of Democracy and Cooperation in Paris."

Wikipedia describes the Institute of Democracy and Cooperation as a Kremlin-based think tank for the purpose of promoting the Russian perspective on human rights. Presumably this conflicts with Western governments' apparent misconceptions about human rights.

Perhaps people from the Kremlin prefer the Vatican's perspective on human rights?

Fri, 17 Sep 2010 09:36:09 UTC | #519679

biorays's Avatar Comment 30 by biorays

'vehemently ideological' is an understandable response in relation to the delusional ideology Catholic and other faiths seem unable to relinquish. I truly think them ensnared by their age old foundations of paying homage to antique ideas, as if scripture were radio telescopes beyond the cosmos.

It's a case of them fearing present day education becoming a cure all for the traditional intellectual fallacies once taken for granted by all believers.

I think Churches don't know how to lose the delusion (which I think, in the higher ranks, they well know it to be) and keep the followers. Their goodwill has become overthrown by the age old following of myth. More people are seeing that they are trapped into preserving absolute myth in order to get a following.

In effect religious organisations are stuck with their past thinking (scripture and dogma). They are, by default, destined to be 'vehemently ideological' about preserving falsehoods of belief. It has become a very sad game loser to allow education to do what education does - liberate the thoughts of the individual beyond delusion.

In effect we have what may be many millions of sincerely inclined believers, in all corridors of society, from poor to powerful, who now worry that they have become the unfortunate victims of their own historical, but inaccurate, belief. But the poorer believe with confusion whilst the leaders have crises of conscience. Something is amiss with the very fundamentals of their faith and they are subliminally aware of it!

Fri, 17 Sep 2010 09:55:48 UTC | #519687