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pkruger's Avatar Comment 1 by pkruger

Tragic. This is what happens when those in charge are more interested in defending their own beliefs instead of what's true. What's actually frightening is no faction is in place that would prevent this misguided redefinition of reality to go forward to reach its objective.

Sat, 13 Mar 2010 16:28:00 UTC | #449097

Polaris29's Avatar Comment 2 by Polaris29

Is this a joke? Replace one the greatest Americans by that Swiss lunatic? Republicans are slowly replacing their patriotism with genuine religious zealotry.

Sat, 13 Mar 2010 16:29:00 UTC | #449100

nwxi's Avatar Comment 3 by nwxi

The Board struck that the concept of education was far too "liberal", and instead, decided on brainwash narrow-minded indoctrination.

The Board suck.

Sat, 13 Mar 2010 16:30:00 UTC | #449101

Koreman's Avatar Comment 4 by Koreman

Another weird point was that a request to add some important (edit) Latino figures to the list of influential people in the curriculum was denied.

This is how fascism and fanaticism rises. It's incredible that this is accepted, these people -a minority in US society- don't even try to hide their agenda. It seems that unbiased balanced politically neutral education is not important anymore and history can be rewritten in favor of religious fanaticism. Even in public schools. Very serious.

Sat, 13 Mar 2010 16:38:00 UTC | #449102

Art Vandelay's Avatar Comment 5 by Art Vandelay

Wow, they're really doing this: Thomas Jefferson has become an unperson.

Sat, 13 Mar 2010 16:39:00 UTC | #449103

chawinwords's Avatar Comment 6 by chawinwords

Nope, it ain't no joke. In fact, the first five presidents of the U.S. were founders, and none of them could be elected as president today in Texas.

How sad! Actually, those founders were all sane, and political sanity is not allowed in the State of Texas at present.

Sat, 13 Mar 2010 16:50:00 UTC | #449106

sara g's Avatar Comment 7 by sara g

How on earth is it even possible to talk about US history without Thomas Jefferson? And under what crazy pretext does Calvin fit into that subject? I'm almost as confused as i am angry.

Sat, 13 Mar 2010 16:55:00 UTC | #449107

janellec122's Avatar Comment 8 by janellec122

This is a sickening step backwards. I wish we had another Susan B. Anthony; seems like we're going to need another pioneer in the near future. This is why we cannot remain silent about opposition to religious fundamentalists.

Sat, 13 Mar 2010 16:58:00 UTC | #449108

sara g's Avatar Comment 9 by sara g

I just watched that video. What a nasty piece of shit that guy is. He even seems to know he's a horrible person.

Sat, 13 Mar 2010 17:06:00 UTC | #449109

Nunbeliever's Avatar Comment 10 by Nunbeliever

Can't we just shoot them all? That would at least make my day...

Sat, 13 Mar 2010 17:13:00 UTC | #449111

Bonzai's Avatar Comment 11 by Bonzai

I just watched the clip. What a moron this guy is.
"It was the man who gave the women the right to vote". That is a howler.

It would take a long time to rectify the damage that has been done, but at least he got voted out of office, kind of a consolation price.

Sat, 13 Mar 2010 17:29:00 UTC | #449112

andrew.trapp's Avatar Comment 12 by andrew.trapp

"When an opponent declares, 'I will not come over to your side,' I calmly say, Your child belongs to us already.... What are you? You will pass on. Your descendants, however, now stand in the new camp. In a short time they will know nothing else but this new community." -- Adolf Hitler, on state education

Sat, 13 Mar 2010 17:32:00 UTC | #449113

Daisy Skipper's Avatar Comment 13 by Daisy Skipper

This guy can barely speak a coherent sentence. How is he allowed to influence the education of youths?

I admit I don't understand how the education system works, but it seems very odd that one of state's most important elements - the education of the young - is controlled by elected officials. I would prefer academics without private (or public) agendas.

Sat, 13 Mar 2010 17:38:00 UTC | #449114

root2squared's Avatar Comment 15 by root2squared

Sat, 13 Mar 2010 17:49:00 UTC | #449117

God fearing Atheist's Avatar Comment 14 by God fearing Atheist

Time for RDFRS to start producing textbooks.

Sat, 13 Mar 2010 17:49:00 UTC | #449116

blitz442's Avatar Comment 16 by blitz442

They're not removing him completely from the history books. It's not like they are going to have a blank space for the third president of the United States in any listing of all the presidents, nor are they going to omit references to things like the Declaration of Independence or the Louisiana Purchase.

This change has to do with a section on the influence of enlightenment thinkers on the political revolutions of the late 18th century. They want to replace his name with a religious figure and drop the word "revolution" from this section.

Don't get me wrong, it's still a gross distortion of history, and it is a very revealing one. Despite their propoganda about the US being founded as a Christian republic, conservatives seem to realize that most of Jefferson's ideas (and indeed the whole Enlightenment movement) contradict this myth. It's also hard to see how you can separate the Enlightenment ideas from those political revolutions, hence the dropping of the word "revolution" altogether.

We hate the Enlightenment, we hate Jefferson, and since even we can't discuss political revolutions of that age without those Enlightenment ideas with a straight face, let's just remove any direct discussion of political revolutions.

Pathetic, disgusting cowards.

What is interesting though is that they kept Voltaire. When Jefferson's political opponents attacked him for not being pious enough (or being an outright atheist), they often called him "the Virginia Voltaire"!

Sat, 13 Mar 2010 17:52:00 UTC | #449119

Mitch Kahle's Avatar Comment 17 by Mitch Kahle

Clear case for legal action by ACLU.

Dover wasn't the first and won't be the last place religious ideas have to be forced out of public school curriculum.

Surrender Texas! You can't stop the rest of the nation from moving forward toward enlightenment.

Sat, 13 Mar 2010 18:01:00 UTC | #449122

mrjohnno's Avatar Comment 18 by mrjohnno

"have a nice day"

Sat, 13 Mar 2010 18:10:00 UTC | #449124

Alyson Miers's Avatar Comment 19 by Alyson Miers

Perhaps the next Godless Giving project should be to help Texan families with school-age children move the heck out of Texas. I sure as shit wouldn't want to raise kids within 10 miles of that school system.

Sat, 13 Mar 2010 18:35:00 UTC | #449131

Koreman's Avatar Comment 20 by Koreman

The irony is that some historic figures are obviously so important to these board members that their names just had to be removed from the curriculum.

Maybe the history of changes to the curriculum should be in the curriculum too. It would be excellent material for learning to understand that lobby groups are constantly busy trying to push their own agenda.

Sat, 13 Mar 2010 18:38:00 UTC | #449133

remijdio's Avatar Comment 21 by remijdio

I just can't help but feel sorry for all the sane people in Texas. Maybe more parents will choose to just home school their children. The irony is I'm sure these are the same people that have/would cry about Obama "indoctrinating" their children. Yet they're too ignorant to realize they're doing the same thing.
I guess it's not indoctrination if you're doing it for God. :-P

Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:00:00 UTC | #449139

chawinwords's Avatar Comment 22 by chawinwords

In answer to this post: 7. Comment #469136 by sillygirl on March 13, 2010 at 4:55 pm
How on earth is it even possible to talk about US history without Thomas Jefferson? And under what crazy pretext does Calvin fit into that subject? I'm almost as confused as i am angry.

Sillygirl, how silly. John Calvin preached a new religious enchantment long ago in far off Switzerland, which afterward was called Calvinism(name of enchantment), and Texas is filled with fundamentalist Southern Baptist, which are enchanted with the theology of Calvin; hence, they honor Calvinism more than the U.S. Constitution, or its authors.

Sillygirl, you can take a shortcut in reading and go to Wikipedia and read about John Calvin and Calvin's theological enchantment. If you do, note that Calvin did not hesitate to use the stake to rid himself of enchantment competitions. In Texas today, they have regressed into religious enchantments and to hell with reason.

Sillygirl, you might wonder about my use of the word "enchantment." If so, consider enchantment's definitions:
1.A feeling of great liking for something wonderful and unusual
2.A psychological state induced by (or as if induced by) a magical incantation
3.A magical spell

All three definitions perfectly describe those people so enchanted by Calvin's mad spell.

Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:10:00 UTC | #449141

Frankus1122's Avatar Comment 23 by Frankus1122

Perhaps Conservapedia will be the 'go to' on-line information source for the students of Texas.

There are some, ahem, *interesting* "facts" about all sorts of topics. Here is a link to Atheism, for example:

And Richard Dawkins:

Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:22:00 UTC | #449143

Koreman's Avatar Comment 24 by Koreman

Ah, that Calvin. Wow.

That fine wonder of god had political opponents arrested, tortured and burned at the stake. Is that in the curriculum too? Although god allegedly picked this wise man personally to reform Christianity, mr invisible decided to do nothing about it. Then again, mr invisible himself seems to like burning people, according to some followers who love it. Where I think there are better ways to solve conflicts and disagreements, but who am I. Well.. certainly not a cleric who demands more respect from atheists.

Calvin is taught about in elementary school history class here in Holland (is that good Engrish?), as a key figure who changed things in European societies, centuries ago. Not as a savior or something like that. And of course his BBQ fetish to gain power is skipped as well.

Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:42:00 UTC | #449148

Michael P.'s Avatar Comment 25 by Michael P.

John Calvin over Thomas Jefferson? Burn Texas to the ground!

But of course, this is just business as usual for the Looney Star state; perhaps the real object of scorn should be the text book publishers, as they're the ones who decide to follow the Texas line o' crap.

Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:51:00 UTC | #449149

prolibertas's Avatar Comment 26 by prolibertas

'The Board refused to require that “students learn that the Constitution prevents the U.S. government from promoting one religion over all others.”'

This is always funny. In order to say the U.S. is a Christian nation, they have to dismiss what the U.S. Constitution actually says.

Sat, 13 Mar 2010 20:03:00 UTC | #449150

Roger Stanyard's Avatar Comment 27 by Roger Stanyard

So how long is it before Cynthia Dunbar and the Texas State Board of Education are up in front of a judge describing their position as one of "breathtaking innanity"£

With a bit of luck Dimbar and her pals will select the Thomas Moore Law Centre as their defence lawyers and leave Texas with a huge bill.

Sat, 13 Mar 2010 20:03:00 UTC | #449151

Alovrin's Avatar Comment 28 by Alovrin

Good ole boy Don McLeeeroy is a walkin' talkin' livin' breathin' example of how a human animal can go spectacularly wrong in the 21st century and fuck up the lives of other people or even generations of people.
Step 1. Unquestioningly adopt the superstitions of your imagined ancestors.
There are no more steps.

Sat, 13 Mar 2010 20:12:00 UTC | #449154

Monkey Man's Avatar Comment 29 by Monkey Man

This man needs help mentally.

Sat, 13 Mar 2010 20:24:00 UTC | #449160

Roger Stanyard's Avatar Comment 30 by Roger Stanyard

I think you'll find many American fundies don't know the difference between John Calvin and Calvin Klein. Fundies are simply not very bright.

There's probably now going to be a huge increase in sales of Calvin Klein knickers in Texas.

Sat, 13 Mar 2010 20:38:00 UTC | #449163