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Modo's Avatar Comment 1 by Modo

One of the better responses from a politician, but still not good enough. We most definitely need loud, public wavey finger pointing.

I suppose it’s just a case of not being allowed to criticise religion. You’re just not allowed. Why not? You’re just not.

Wed, 17 Mar 2010 14:52:00 UTC | #450011

Alyson Miers's Avatar Comment 2 by Alyson Miers

Speaking in English, Benedict acknowledged the Irish church had been "severely shaken" as a result of the crisis, and said he was "deeply concerned."


Yeah, he's deeply concerned that his racket's head count is taking a hit.

Merkel stressed that it was important not to point fingers, although the Catholic Church has been at the heart of the German scandal,


Bwuh? "We know it was the Catholic hierarchy that was responsible for sexual abuse and obstruction of justice, but we won't point fingers!" Is that what she's saying?

Eff that noise, Madam Chancellor. Point some fingers!

http://alysonmiers.wordpress.com/

Wed, 17 Mar 2010 14:54:00 UTC | #450012

jimbob's Avatar Comment 3 by jimbob

The catholic church has already come up with the "truth" -- according to the vatican exorcist; satan did it!

Wed, 17 Mar 2010 14:55:00 UTC | #450013

Prankster's Avatar Comment 4 by Prankster

Germany, Brazil,Ireland, where next and when will this stop?

Point fingers Madam Kanzellor and name and shame the guilty-don't umm and arr over it for heaven's sake.

Slightly off topic found this on the BBC Homepage-truly shocking. Here's the link:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8572081.stm

Wed, 17 Mar 2010 15:05:00 UTC | #450015

Follow Peter Egan's Avatar Comment 5 by Follow Peter Egan

Speaking in English, Benedict acknowledged the Irish church had been "severely shaken" as a result of the crisis, and said he was "deeply concerned."


I'll bet. It'll hit 'em the only place it hurts 'em: the coffers.

Wed, 17 Mar 2010 15:40:00 UTC | #450022

SaganTheCat's Avatar Comment 6 by SaganTheCat

according to the vatican exorcist; satan did it!


in all fairness if i was satan i couldn't think of a better organisation to work with

Wed, 17 Mar 2010 16:01:00 UTC | #450028

Christopher Davis's Avatar Comment 7 by Christopher Davis

The keys words to pay attention to here are "repentance, healing, and renewal"...that's the rhetoric the Catholic Church will feed to the public to escape culpability. They'll pine about how it is such a tragedy that these men of God were led into sin by the forces of evil, and how troubled they are, and how much concern they have for the victims.

We have heard it all before, and in my opinion it's all a crock of shit. I don't give two fucks about the perverted old bastards who did these things. The only people who deserve help are the victims, and it shouldn't come from the same people who victimized them...EXCEPT in the form of monetary compensation.

To hell with "repentance" and "renewal". Sometimes saying your sorry and promising to mend your ways isn't enough.

Wed, 17 Mar 2010 16:06:00 UTC | #450029

Mr. Forrest's Avatar Comment 8 by Mr. Forrest

Does anyone else get the sick feeling that the compensation the victims so richly deserve is going to come from the german state, NOT the vatican? Am I the only one who got that vibe from the article?

If thats the way i goes down I suggest the german people think long and hard about whether thay want their taxmoney to be used to compensate victims of a foreign sovereign nation or whether their government should rightfully be seizing assets from the catholic church to pay for compensation for the victims of these heinous crimes.

Wed, 17 Mar 2010 16:30:00 UTC | #450034

hungarianelephant's Avatar Comment 9 by hungarianelephant

Benedict said he hopes his upcoming letter to the Irish faithful concerning the sex scandal in the Irish church would help with "repentance, healing and renewal" there

Does this letter actually exist, or is it just vaporware to be announced every fortnight?

I'm beginning to think that Benny actually has writing difficulties. JK Rowling could produce a 700 page bestseller in the time it has taken him to produce this thing. That or the Holy Spirit is having an off year.

Wed, 17 Mar 2010 17:10:00 UTC | #450038

SaganTheCat's Avatar Comment 10 by SaganTheCat

maybe this letter will state that all involved have been to confession and have since been forgiven

Wed, 17 Mar 2010 17:15:00 UTC | #450039

mrjohnno's Avatar Comment 11 by mrjohnno

She also said....

Germany's Chancellor Angela Merkel says she wants the eurozone to be able to exclude one of its members in future if that is necessary to avert a crisis.

Mrs Merkel told the German Bundestag (parliament) that existing EU rules were not strong enough to deal with the current crisis triggered by Greece.

Germany was doing it for years!

Wed, 17 Mar 2010 17:29:00 UTC | #450043

MattHunX's Avatar Comment 12 by MattHunX

Comment #470094 by CaptainMandate on March 17, 2010 at 4:01 pm

They've pretty much got away with it again. They've said say it was Satan and most, if not, all their flock will believe it and will not turn their backs on the church as they should. Thanks to the gullibility and naiveté of the religious the church will get away again and stays in power.

Wed, 17 Mar 2010 18:52:00 UTC | #450055

Ivan The Not So Bad's Avatar Comment 13 by Ivan The Not So Bad

On his visit to the UK later this year, the Pope is to give us "moral guidance":

http://tinyurl.com/y86rgmr

You couldn't make it up.

But, if you're a UK citizen, you can sign this petition:

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/ProtestthePope/

Wed, 17 Mar 2010 19:03:00 UTC | #450059

black wolf's Avatar Comment 14 by black wolf

I doubt the German state will fund any compensation to abuse victims. We're not completely secular, but I see no legal way that would fly. We get constitutional complaints on much smaller issues.
Merkel has been reprimanded and criticized by Vatican officials and German clergy in the past, in quite straight forward and unfriendly language, long before the current scandals surfaced. She's a Protestant, and she's certainly not going to join in any mollycoddling, apart from taking a diplomatic soft glove to the issue. But she will not point fingers at institutionalized religion or religious organisations in general, because she herself privately supports authoritarian, dogmatic religion. She was the one who advocated including religious phrases into the EU constitution.

However, this issue could be a first stepping stone on the way to disentangle the German state, which still funds religion with billions of Euros per year, from the Churches which make a huge and mostly undisclosed profit from receiving government money and slapping their own label onto the work they do with that money. We have thousands of faith schools, the social sector is in the firm grip of church-run sponsorships, and the state pays the salaries of church officials and theologians. Actually, people more familiar with law than I am have informed me that the nominatio dei, the nominal inclusion of God in our constitution, does have legal weight. This means that technically, anyone pronouncing atheism or seeking state support for an atheistic organisation with similar goals to religious organisations, could be considered unconstitutional. If push came to shove and for example a church would file a constitutional complaint against funding of an atheistic group that competes in the social sector, the supreme court would be on firm legal grounds to deny atheists equal treatment. It hasn't happened yet, but religious voices are getting more shrill and militant these days.

Wed, 17 Mar 2010 19:43:00 UTC | #450066

tlb81's Avatar Comment 15 by tlb81

All the talk about reparations for past victims is lovely and everything, but is no one else concerned about FUTURE victims£

Governments (and the Church) are going to have to go way beyond apologies and financial payouts to the root of this problem (hmmmm, wonder what that could be£) to STOP IT FROM HAPPENING.

Wed, 17 Mar 2010 19:55:00 UTC | #450068

tlb81's Avatar Comment 16 by tlb81

Why is that all of my question marks appear in the form of British currency£

Wed, 17 Mar 2010 20:06:00 UTC | #450070

Agrajag's Avatar Comment 17 by Agrajag

16. Comment #470136 by tlb81 on March 17, 2010 at 8:06 pm

Why is that all of my question marks appear in the form of British currency?

"If you have to ask, you can't afford it." ;-)

Type & # 6 3 ; (5 characters) all together without the spaces.
Steve

Wed, 17 Mar 2010 20:22:00 UTC | #450073

prettygoodformonkeys's Avatar Comment 18 by prettygoodformonkeys

17. Comment #470139 by steveroot

I can't wait for tlb81, I have to try (even though I don't have the currency mark)....?

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- ah.

Wed, 17 Mar 2010 20:33:00 UTC | #450076

Duff's Avatar Comment 19 by Duff

Forget "repentance", forget "healing and renewal"! We will know Pope Rat has finally realized something actually has to be done when he instructs the Bishops to refer ALL charges of molestation by priests to police authorities. Only then will we know the Catholic Church is truly going to act. But only when they abolish celebacy, will we know priests will let up a little on the kids.

Wed, 17 Mar 2010 20:53:00 UTC | #450081

William T. Dawkins's Avatar Comment 20 by William T. Dawkins

RE: Merkel: Sex abuse scandal major challenge

Chancellor Merkel, has already acknowledged one truth. "The damage suffered by the victims can never fully be repaired."

My heart goes out to all the victims. Many, not all, of the perpetrators may have been victims themselves, trying to recover their own lost innocence vicariously. Which brings up the point.

Is this learned behavior? Acts such as these, can massively complicate someone's perception of sexuality, gender, moral values, love, self-worth and especially trust. Things like associating pain with love can totally destroy a person's life. If so, How can this be corrected? A bishop symbolically lighting a candle, doesn't cut it. Compensation doesn't either.

Has this behavior derived from priest celibacy?

Do these people gravitate to these positions of power to continue the cycle?

This "challenge for our society" is best handled by science and not religion.

Wed, 17 Mar 2010 21:48:00 UTC | #450091

Mr. Forrest's Avatar Comment 21 by Mr. Forrest

I agree there should be a major efford to stop this sort of thing from ever happening again, but I think that would require nations across the globe to seize vatican records of these abuses and keep a watchful eye on the catholic church and their practices.
It should basicly be modelled on the way you would try to contain a criminal organisation like the Mafia.

I hold no great hope for this, to many pussies and coward, who would rather see children raped and abused than raise a hand to the perpetrator, just because they wear a frock.

Wed, 17 Mar 2010 21:52:00 UTC | #450092

prolibertas's Avatar Comment 22 by prolibertas

How dare they even consider NOT giving compensation?

Wed, 17 Mar 2010 22:07:00 UTC | #450097

KRKBAB's Avatar Comment 23 by KRKBAB

"So it is up to the Holy See to provide financial recompense to the abused and to discipline the abusers..."- ABUSERS? What a nice, soft inane word for Child Rapists! WTF? Imagine, if a Science teacher in a public school was found to have raped his students. Would he be called an abuser? I have a funny feeling he might be referred to as a child rapist. But they're only labels, right silly? Let's send all the "abusers" to Texas. I wonder how they'd treat a chilrapist in Texas, especially if he was Catholic! The Evangelicals hate Catholics more than atheists! Revenge, you ask? who, me?

Wed, 17 Mar 2010 22:25:00 UTC | #450101

Roland_F's Avatar Comment 24 by Roland_F

Comment #470167 by KRKBAB : ABUSERS£ What a nice, soft inane word for Child Rapists!

The abuser of minors is a "minor abuser" as proper term at least when you are a Catholic.

But as Bishop Mixa from Bavaria told : it’s all the fault of the sexual revolution of the 68s flower power Hippie generation – which seems to be wide spread inside the Catholic church leadership.
I see the problem with the sex shops, they still only offer inflatable female dolls and totally failed to grasp the huge market opportunity to offer inflatable altar boys as well to market it to the priesthood.

Thu, 18 Mar 2010 01:34:00 UTC | #450124

Border Collie's Avatar Comment 25 by Border Collie

I'd bet it was a bigger challenge to the kids who were abused.

Thu, 18 Mar 2010 01:58:00 UTC | #450129

Roland_F's Avatar Comment 26 by Roland_F

Chancellor Angela Merkel is the daughter of a Protestant priest, so quite indoctrinated and religiously biased herself. And as head of the ruling Christian government she has to avoid at all cost going against her main party clientele of block voting Catholics.
So I do not expect any real improvement of the situation and Germanys both state churches will stay right outside and above the law as before, and victims will not get any compensation from the vast fortune of the German churches.
60 billion Euros in stock holding, more in bonds and most in real estate mainly in prime property areas. The fortune is growing every year based on state collected church tax plus massive government subsidies of several billion Euros per year according to the ‘Bund der Steuerzahler’.
The total worth of Evangelical and Catholic church in Germany is estimated as ”definitely above 500 billion Euros maybe up to 800 billion” from some experts.

Thanks to the ‘Reichskonkordat’ from Hitler with pope Pius-XII (a thanks for getting support and being elected from the Catholic parties to become chancellor – president - dictator) the power of the church is deeply anchored into German everyday life until today in education from kindergarten to universities. No government dares to challenge the status quo.
So that’s what the hopeless fight for compensation of victims is against: mobbing from the devout flock, the massive influence on the state power and the filthy riches of the Catholic Church.

Thu, 18 Mar 2010 03:16:00 UTC | #450132

Fyre13's Avatar Comment 27 by Fyre13

Comment #470081 Germany, Brazil,Ireland, where next and when will this stop?

Switzerland (albeit being a very small country) is also "included". Over the last 15 years, about 60 cases have come to light, not even close to the real number.

Our very own Adolf Muschg (a writer) has very twisted views about these abuses - he's basically trying to exccuse the purpetrators. He calls the accusations "monumental hypocrisy".

http://www.tagesspiegel.de/meinung/anderemeinung/Missbrauch-Reformpaedagogik;art22196,3057113

http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/kultur/diverses/Fuer-Muschg-sind-Missbrauchsvorwuerfe-monumentale-Heuchelei/story/28970052

At least other more liberal theologians don't agree with Muschg and ask for complete transparency and blame Ratzi.

http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/schweiz/standard/Der-Papst-traegt-Verantwortung-fuer-die-Vertuschung/story/29825254

Thu, 18 Mar 2010 09:10:00 UTC | #450163

Raiko's Avatar Comment 28 by Raiko

Yesterday "Der Spiegel Online" said something else, though it wasn't a direct quote from Mrs. Merkel, but by an official speaker.

Am Montag durfte der [Sprecher] dann noch versichern, dass Angela Merkel volles Vertrauen in die Aufklärungsbemühungen der katholischen Kirche im Allgemeinen und des Heiligen Vaters im Besonderen habe.


Translation:
Monday he [the speaker] was allowed to ensure that Angela Merkel has full confidence in the resolving efforts* of the Catholic Church in General and the Holy Father especially.

* resolving efforts, meaning the efforts to resolve the abuse issues and its consequences (I wasn't sure how to translate it)


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It's like asking Toyota to find, point out and try whoever was responsible for the break-disaster. Or asking the Mafia to investigate in their own ranks and present us with the culprits. Yeah, right.

Needless to say - that really pissed me off!
(http://puzzledponderer.wordpress.com/2010/03/17/)



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The case that started the uproar is that of a priest known only as H. In 1980, H. moved to a parish in Munich, where he "underwent therapy" after accusations that he molested boys under his pastoral care. This was done with the knowledge and approval of Archbishop Joseph Ratzinger, the man who later became Pope Benedict XVI.


By the way: "H.", for those who don't know it yet, stands for "Peter Hullermann". I'm not in favour of protecting the names of pedophiles.

Thu, 18 Mar 2010 10:06:00 UTC | #450179

Eyerish's Avatar Comment 29 by Eyerish

You have to hand it to the Pope and the others as the masters of spin (I guess that what 2,000 years of spin doctor practice has given them). They are so quick to apologise and to continue to apologise because they know that talk is cheap. Compensation for the victims will also be cheap on the church because they will ask the believers to pay for the sins of the fathers. And the believers will pay because they believe it is not the church's fault but the devil - this will make all the believers complicit in the crimes that the priests committed. This makes my blood boil at the thought of these people getting away with it with nod and a wink and a few empty meaningless apologies and a holiday to reflect on their actions. It would seem that the infallibility of the church and those who run it is absolute - they all apologise but not one of them resigns, not one of them takes any kind of real responsibility for what has happened - they still have their cushy jobs and a letter from the pope thanking them for running deflection for those at the top. Sickening.

Thu, 18 Mar 2010 10:43:00 UTC | #450183

Mr. Forrest's Avatar Comment 30 by Mr. Forrest

They're going to let the catholics conduct their own investigations?
Thats like letting the friggin nazis run the Nüremburg trials!
You would think a nation like Germany would have a unique and recent insight into how crooked systems of justice tend to exonerate themselves. I believe many lawyers an judges from the third reich were tried AND convicted at nüremburg for providing the legal framwork within which the holocaust and other nazi atrocities took place.
Why should the roman catholic church be judged any differently?

Thu, 18 Mar 2010 11:35:00 UTC | #450189