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submoron's Avatar Comment 1 by submoron

Bravo!

We all stood for Rhys yesterday afternoon when he got his award from Randi and my goodness he deserved it? Does anyone know whether we could get him nominated for an MBE or, better still, OBE? Would it be 'cool' for teachers to be required to refer to him as Rhys Morgan OBE?

Sun, 17 Oct 2010 20:02:15 UTC | #534626

tdudkowski's Avatar Comment 2 by tdudkowski

Sun, 17 Oct 2010 20:09:59 UTC | #534630

Ali Duncan's Avatar Comment 3 by Ali Duncan

Hooray for Rhys. Poison mongering frauds still making a fortune tho.

Sun, 17 Oct 2010 20:34:41 UTC | #534633

Letsbereasonable's Avatar Comment 4 by Letsbereasonable

People's yearning to believe is simply astonishing, and to me bewildering. People will believe in anything - water, crystals, pyramids, gods, anything, everything, nothing. Fascinating.

Sun, 17 Oct 2010 20:49:58 UTC | #534637

Neodarwinian's Avatar Comment 5 by Neodarwinian

Sodium hypochlorite, NaClO, to be exact. In other words these people would have you ingest Clorox or Comet in concentrations ~ 14 times as concentrated as the above named cleaners.

Sun, 17 Oct 2010 20:56:20 UTC | #534641

dochmbi1's Avatar Comment 6 by dochmbi1

[img]http://st1.harhakuva.org/works/1283967207635382_NigelWestDickens_by_Wishi.jpg[/img]

Is there any way to post an image in the comments section?

Sun, 17 Oct 2010 21:12:22 UTC | #534651

Carl Sai Baba's Avatar Comment 7 by Carl Sai Baba

and ended up suffering a staggering amount of personal abuse from supporters of 'alternative therapries' for his pains.

The kid clearly knows enough about medicine for his age, but now he also knows one of the fundamental facts of sociology: people are assholes.

Sun, 17 Oct 2010 21:14:34 UTC | #534654

glenister_m's Avatar Comment 8 by glenister_m

"The people who are taking it are told the vomiting, diarrhoea and nausea are signs that it is working."

!!! Working to kill you so that you can't testify or sue them perhaps???!!

I'm reminded of the South Park episode where the one of the kids is given a "natural medicine" to get the toxins out of his system. When he throws up on the floor she proclaims "There are the toxins coming out of his system!" The boys respond "No they aren't. That's what he had for lunch."

Just wait, demand for it will go up as obviously Big Pharma/government are trying to discredit the "miracle cure" so that it doesn't cut into their profits.

Sun, 17 Oct 2010 21:17:08 UTC | #534655

DamianIcely's Avatar Comment 9 by DamianIcely

At least homoepathy doesn't harm you (I regularly consume water!) This stuff is actualy harmful!

Sun, 17 Oct 2010 21:56:11 UTC | #534675

Agrajag's Avatar Comment 10 by Agrajag

Comment 5 by Neodarwinian

Sodium hypochlorite, NaClO, to be exact. In other words these people would have you ingest Clorox or Comet in concentrations ~ 14 times as concentrated as the above named cleaners.

Currently Clorox is 6% NaOCl (according to the bottle label). The MSDS sheet from May, 2005, indicates a concentration of 6.15%, but one from August of 2009 says it is 5-10% (http://www.thecloroxcompany.com/products/msds/#Bleach). Go figure. For years it was 5.25%, and was (and still is) the preferred irrigating solution for dentists performing root canal treatments.

Of course, these people are the worst sort of charlatans to be promoting the "per os" consumption of sodium hypochlorite at any concentration.

Steve

Sun, 17 Oct 2010 22:08:15 UTC | #534681

Stevehill's Avatar Comment 11 by Stevehill

Snake oil: there's one born every minute.

I've said it before: anything claiming health benefits, treatment, cures, remedies should be required to undergo the same trials, testing and authorisation processes as any mainstream drugs.

Anything less allows the ruthless to prey on the vulnerable - often at a time they will clutch at any passing straw.

I nominate Rhys for the (just invented) Laurie Pycroft Award - another teenager who worked out for himself that science works.

Sun, 17 Oct 2010 22:08:36 UTC | #534682

Logicel's Avatar Comment 12 by Logicel

Yes, people will believe anything, including that this 'effective' cure somehow is not totally embraced by science-based-medicine.

Sun, 17 Oct 2010 22:16:12 UTC | #534688

Quiddam's Avatar Comment 13 by Quiddam

It's Sodium Chlorite, not hypochlorite, so it's not household bleach (Chlorox)

If you mix sodium hypochlorite with acid you get chlorine gas.

Sodium chlorite and acid produces chlorine dioxide

It's still dangerous but it's not the same thing. Once the chlorine dioxide has been released you are left with salt water. (the process is now being widely used in swimming pools)

Sun, 17 Oct 2010 22:20:58 UTC | #534690

Agrajag's Avatar Comment 14 by Agrajag

Comment 11 by Stevehill

I've said it before: anything claiming health benefits, treatment, cures, remedies should be required to undergo the same trials, testing and authorisation processes as any mainstream drugs.

These slimeballs get around this (at least in the US) by including a disclaimer along these lines:

Disclaimer: This product is completely natural and has not been evaluated by the FDA, so we make no claims for preventing or treating disease. While your results can and will vary, your satisfaction is guaranteed. If you don't like it, send it back! We love this stuff and can't do without it. Please read below.

This is from http://www.ascendedhealth.com/gum-disease/gum_disease_remedy.htm?gclid=CLekj-L52qQCFQy8KgodMH-TKw

which is just one of many sites offering this crap to people who don't know any better. IMO, the law does not go far enough to protect these poor folks from their own ignorance.

Steve

Sun, 17 Oct 2010 22:39:14 UTC | #534699

Neodarwinian's Avatar Comment 15 by Neodarwinian

I stand corrected. It is NaOCl2.

Sun, 17 Oct 2010 22:45:20 UTC | #534701

MilitantNonStampCollector's Avatar Comment 16 by MilitantNonStampCollector

Shouldn't the Food Safety Watchdog be monitoring this stuff anyway?

As much as Morgan's efforts are commendable, it is worrying that it takes a member of the public to bring this to attention, as it seems like a stroke of luck more than anything else.

Mon, 18 Oct 2010 00:31:49 UTC | #534746

Alternative Carpark's Avatar Comment 17 by Alternative Carpark

Next, sic this splendid young fellow on Homeopathy.

Mon, 18 Oct 2010 00:32:41 UTC | #534747

Agrajag's Avatar Comment 18 by Agrajag

I stand corrected as well. That stuff is not used in endodontics.

Sad that the young man has to take abuse from members of the "alternative" medicine community.

Steve

Mon, 18 Oct 2010 01:36:32 UTC | #534766

Greyman's Avatar Comment 19 by Greyman

The Guardian artical "The man who encourages the sick and dying to drink industrial bleach" reported:

In the MMS newsletter (Straight Talk with Jim Humble) he outlines an innovative strategy that will allow him to spread his medical ideas across the world while evading any government interference — setting up a church:

"Look at the Catholics.  Their priests have been molesting women and children for centuries and the governments have not been able to stop it.  If handled properly a church can protect us from vaccinations that we don't want, from forced insurance, and from many things that a government might want to use to oppress us."

What.

Mon, 18 Oct 2010 03:14:15 UTC | #534798

Roedy's Avatar Comment 20 by Roedy

I can understand selling water as medicine, i.e. homeopathy. The motive is profit. But why sell bleach as medicine? It shows both hatred and contempt for people who have Crohn's disease.

I would hope some judge sentences the makers to drink a few bottles each, not as a punishment, but to prove its alledged harmlessness.

Mon, 18 Oct 2010 06:00:14 UTC | #534820

n0rr1s's Avatar Comment 21 by n0rr1s

Comment 20 by Roedy :

I can understand selling water as medicine, i.e. homeopathy. The motive is profit. But why sell bleach as medicine? It shows both hatred and contempt for people who have Crohn's disease.

I was about to post something like this. It suggests to me that the people selling it might actually believe it works. Otherwise, why not just sell something harmless? Also, it would probably be even cheaper to make if there were nothing much in it.

Mon, 18 Oct 2010 08:50:48 UTC | #534867

Anvil's Avatar Comment 22 by Anvil

Well I don't know if you can use it to assist in root canal work, but you can use it to get rid of AIDS, apparently.

This from the great man on his website:

Question:

Is taking MMS IV much more efficient than drinking it? Should I stop taking my medication for HIV? Posted by: admin in AIDS, HIV, Intravenously (IV), MMS General, tags: AIDS, HIV virus, Intravenous treatment, iv, medications, vomit

Please treat me as your son and tell me what best should I do to get rid of this HIV virus. Would you tell me to stop my three drugs medication and when? Is it ok to overlap MMS with current medication? Should I take MMS IV if it’s much more efficient than drinking it? Stopping medication is a big decision for me to make as I always felt to rely on them in order to live. Please help me with your experience and testimonials.

Answer:

MMS IV is much more effective than taking by mouth. Stop the drugs immediately. HIV is not dangerous. It does not cause AIDS. What causes AIDS is the drugs that you are taking, each one is extremely poisonous. That causes AIDS. The vomiting was a good sign. It means you body is getting rid of bad stuff. It takes a certain amount of courage to stop the drugs, but you really know that they are bad, and that they will not help you live longer. Just depend on the MMS as it is a thousand times better. Read the MMS data a few times. See the logic. Ask yourself that is not more logical that taking poisons. Visit www.miraclemineral.org for the MMS book and DVD and www.jimhumble.com for more info.

Thankfully, and at last, a cure for AIDS.

Anvil.

EDIT: If it can work for Heroin addiction then we may yet avoid the cost of sterilisation.

Mon, 18 Oct 2010 09:29:36 UTC | #534884

TrickyDicky's Avatar Comment 23 by TrickyDicky

Comment 11 by Stevehill :

Snake oil: there's one born every minute.

Don't knock Snake Oil, there is nothing better for lubricating a dry snake.

Mon, 18 Oct 2010 09:57:16 UTC | #534899

opposablethumbs's Avatar Comment 24 by opposablethumbs

Comment 22 by Anvil

Sounds like a case for prosecution - attempted murder, or reckless endangerment at the very least, surely?

Mon, 18 Oct 2010 10:25:24 UTC | #534911

thebaldgit's Avatar Comment 25 by thebaldgit

A salutary reminder that being in the 21st century does not make us immune from quacks wishing to make money from the sick, irregardless of whether it has the potential to be lethal or not. Outstanding work by Rhys Morgan, good too see a positive image for today's youth rather than the usual "they are all evil" scare stories from the right wing shit sheets.

Mon, 18 Oct 2010 13:19:47 UTC | #535023

Letsbereasonable's Avatar Comment 26 by Letsbereasonable

Comment 21 by n0rr1s :

Comment 20 by Roedy :

I can understand selling water as medicine, i.e. homeopathy. The motive is profit. But why sell bleach as medicine? It shows both hatred and contempt for people who have Crohn's disease.

I was about to post something like this. It suggests to me that the people selling it might actually believe it works. Otherwise, why not just sell something harmless? Also, it would probably be even cheaper to make if there were nothing much in it.

The next logical step is to have the bottle completely empty. In fact why stop there? Simply have the carton on its own. The space inside the carton will 'remember' the bottle and the virtual bottle will 'remember' the virtual emptiness that contained the virtual bleach.

And why stop even there? Eliminate the carton and just have space. The space will 'remember' the carton, and so on. In this way enormous wealth can be accumulated from inculcating a belief in nothing, and if this is suggestive of religion it is entirely deliberate. People can, do, and always will believe in anything. Just tap into the psychological need and there you have it.

I honestly think that atheism as a consumer product is not serving the psychological need market as well as it might. Since both atheism and religion are essentially 'nothings' in the manner I described above, it is just a question of marketing. If atheism were packaged as cleverly as the religions package their psychological-need product then market share would increase proportionately. Think on it.

Mon, 18 Oct 2010 16:56:49 UTC | #535139

danconquer's Avatar Comment 27 by danconquer

I recently read that the UK government is planning to abolish the Food Standards Agency - news which must have delighted bogus 'medical' salesmen everywhere!

Cases such as this indicate that regulatory powers are already insufficient and so we should be concerned that we will only see more of these 'alternative' remedies which are at best wholly ineffective and, at worst, downright dangerous.

Mon, 18 Oct 2010 22:28:57 UTC | #535290

JumpinB's Avatar Comment 28 by JumpinB

I guess people got sick by takin too much of it. Just like taken too much of anything else. Who would have thought? Anyways here are some studies of the toxicity of Chlorine Dioxide (MMS)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1569027/

http://www.epa.gov/ncea/iris/toxreviews/0648tr.pdf

http://www.grandcircuitinc.com/Howard%20Alliger%20-%20An%20Overall%20View%20Cl02.pdf

http://www.natmedtalk.com/alternative-therapies/20077-cdc-contolled-trial-chlorine-dioxide-pt1.html

Tue, 19 Oct 2010 14:43:28 UTC | #535649

alaskansee's Avatar Comment 29 by alaskansee

The main snake oil salesman was recently interviewed on a British podcast, sorry can't find it. Not only does this idiot think his cure works but he's got a church to go with it too.

Tue, 19 Oct 2010 18:29:48 UTC | #535780

RhysMorgan's Avatar Comment 30 by RhysMorgan

Yup, he was interviewed on Righteous Indignation: Jim Humble interview

Comment 29 by alaskansee :

The main snake oil salesman was recently interviewed on a British podcast, sorry can't find it. Not only does this idiot think his cure works but he's got a church to go with it too.

Fri, 22 Oct 2010 22:22:59 UTC | #537480