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RDfan's Avatar Comment 1 by RDfan

Ouch!

Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:01:00 UTC | #454418

musicdesign's Avatar Comment 2 by musicdesign

I saw the winner in 'Private Eye' a few weeks back and thought it was a bit close to the mark then. Certainly "brutally direct"

Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:02:00 UTC | #454419

FrumWentz's Avatar Comment 3 by FrumWentz

The winner is a pantywaste. The caption is very wrong. Remove "slept with". Insert "screwed".

Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:16:00 UTC | #454425

SteveN's Avatar Comment 4 by SteveN

Comment #474875 by FrumWentz

The winner is a pantywaste. The caption is very wrong. Remove "ever slept with". Insert "screwed".


Still too mild. How about 'raped'. (Spoils the joke somewhat, though)

Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:30:00 UTC | #454433

JSB2024's Avatar Comment 5 by JSB2024

I think Exxon collapsing would do a world of good. The vacuum of perpetual energy shortages would be replaced by an urgent rush to create renewable fuel sources.

Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:40:00 UTC | #454440

harveydinio's Avatar Comment 6 by harveydinio

I think that the ridiculing of religion is a very necessary thing. But why in these cartoons are they all about christianity? It seems to me that CFI were not brave enough to show cartoons of Islam. I may be wrong but it does seem to me that people are cowardly when it comes to Islam and do not have the courage of their convictions.

Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:49:00 UTC | #454443

weavehole's Avatar Comment 7 by weavehole

harveydinio

It seems to me that CFI were not brave enough to show cartoons of Islam.

Point taken but I felt the last panel in the third placed cartoon and the GASP section in the second were Islam related. Hardly overt though.

Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:57:00 UTC | #454446

Dr. Strangegod's Avatar Comment 8 by Dr. Strangegod

These are great!

One small, hair-splitting issue (which as a cartoonist and historian of the comic book medium I have no choice but to point out): there is no such thing as a "multipanel cartoon." A cartoon is a drawing that purposefully uses exaggerated and simplified iconic forms (as opposed to an illustration, which is meant to be more realistic or literally representative). A series of sequential cartoons that depict a narrative is known as "comics", whether they be in the form a strip, book (more like a magazine usually), or graphic novel. Please read Will Eisner's and Scott McCloud's outstanding books explaining all this. Jack Pollock's comic is a comic strip, though arranged as a square (though honestly, if you don't do you own lettering and let a computer do it, I don't think you can really call yourself a cartoonist at all, but that's just the purest in me - just look how beautiful a job Doug Davis did!).

Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:57:00 UTC | #454447

the great teapot's Avatar Comment 9 by the great teapot

Raped doesn't work.
Not many men have walked into a room of women and thought gumpf ,every woman I have ever raped is here.
Unless SteveN ....

Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:58:00 UTC | #454448

Stonyground's Avatar Comment 10 by Stonyground

On the subject of bashing Islam, I would assume that many posters here would be familiar with the Jesus and Mo Cartoons www.jesusandmo.net . The artwork is somewhat basic and the poor quality of the drawings is a running gag in the comments and sometimes in the cartoons themselves. The content however is well informed and always funny.

Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:44:00 UTC | #454457

rev's Avatar Comment 11 by rev

I agree Harveydinio, backbone anyone

Wed, 31 Mar 2010 16:44:00 UTC | #454468

Sciros's Avatar Comment 12 by Sciros

if you don't do you own lettering and let a computer do it, I don't think you can really call yourself a cartoonist at all, but that's just the purest in me
Wow Lucas my man, why do you hate yourself so much? I think nearly every professional comic letterer that has the option will go with a computer. It helps assure legibility for the reader, doesn't cramp up your hand, and isn't nearly as tedious :-/

Onomatopoeia like "SHHHKKK" and all that, that's a separate issue because even if you do it on computer, you're pretty much drawing it rather than typing it and it becomes an artistic component.

On the other hand, I don't consider the words in voice bubbles to really be part of the art most of the time. The placement of the voice bubbles matters and the borders and colors I suppose matter as well, but whether the words are hand-written or not will matter in few circumstances, I think. Maybe single-panel comics where you want to cram as much humor as possible into one image so you can also do it through the text.

Wed, 31 Mar 2010 16:59:00 UTC | #454473

Colwyn Abernathy's Avatar Comment 13 by Colwyn Abernathy

Frum,

The winner is a pantywaste. The caption is very wrong. Remove "slept with". Insert "screwed".


I like "screwed." Implies more than just the sexual connotation, as in "screwed for life". HA HA HA! Double entendre...

Wed, 31 Mar 2010 17:08:00 UTC | #454479

the great teapot's Avatar Comment 14 by the great teapot

You can't just change a word and say, hey look I can do better.
You have to come up with an original idea.
The guy who drew this was funny without resorting to even mildly strong language like screwed.
That's a greater acheivement.He probably thought about and rejected it as too unsubtle.

Wed, 31 Mar 2010 17:28:00 UTC | #454483

Colwyn Abernathy's Avatar Comment 15 by Colwyn Abernathy

You can't just change a word and say, hey look I can do better.


The hell we can't. Is even mild critique on taste taboo now?

You have to come up with an original idea.


-OR- you can throw in a word or a gag here and there and maybe change something funny into something, ohidunno, FUNNIER. Never been part of a writer's roundtable, have you?

The guy who drew this was funny without resorting to even mildly strong language like screwed.


A fair point. I can see it as an image of an adult looking at such transgressions from an adult relationship point of view: ie the adult's euphamism "sleep with" to assert a more involved relationship rather than just a physical one, and really, how embarassing is it to be in the same room with multiple (ex)lovers? Also a jab at the Vatican's overall lumping of all sex outside the bonds of marriage as "bad" regardless of context or intensity. They don't see it as horrific as the rest of us do cuz after all, it's just "bad sex" right?

That's a greater acheivement.He probably thought about and rejected it as too unsubtle.


Mebbe. I'd like to discuss it with him, ackshuly. I'd like to know what inspired it and the process he took to complete it. But really, no need to jump down our throats for making aesthetic observations and comments. What's the deal, tea?

EDIT: For clarity. Did not mean to imply that the winner's entry was "mundane".

Wed, 31 Mar 2010 17:53:00 UTC | #454491

Stafford Gordon's Avatar Comment 17 by Stafford Gordon

No comment.

Wed, 31 Mar 2010 18:02:00 UTC | #454495

kev_s's Avatar Comment 16 by kev_s

The Catholic Church is such a rich source of material at present. This one is good too:
http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20100330/OPINION03/100329012/1020/OPINION/Pope Benedict Our sex life is none of your business

Wed, 31 Mar 2010 18:02:00 UTC | #454494

Corylus's Avatar Comment 18 by Corylus


Mebbe. I'd like to discuss it with him, ackshuly. I'd like to know what inspired it and the process he took to complete it.
Possibly personal experience. If you don't go to church often (and only find yourself in them at things like marriages and funerals) then it might be the case that the sight of all those people (some of whom you used to be close to and are no longer) causes such thoughts to arise in certain heathens.

This adds an extra sting to the picture because you suddenly speculate how a common response (in light in previous non-harmful sexual adventures) might also be felt by those with no understanding or conceptualisation of the harm that they have caused.

F****d or s*****d would not elicit this response because both imply... shall we a say... a certain possibility of non-mutuality about the previous encounters. N.B. I am not talking about force here, just an implication that there might be also a lack of concern about the pleasure felt (or not) by the previous partner. While this does not make this dreadful realisation above impossible, it does however make it less likely.

This cartoon is about (in fact, what a lot of art is about) bringing forth empathic reactions in the part of the viewer. S*****d is a lot of things, but empathic it aint.

[Edit: word correction]

Wed, 31 Mar 2010 18:18:00 UTC | #454500

Colwyn Abernathy's Avatar Comment 19 by Colwyn Abernathy

Corylus,

This cartoon is about (in fact, what a lot of art is about) bringing forth empathic reactions in the part of the viewer. S*****d is a lot of things, but empathic it aint.


Excellent points all round, tho I would dispute the "purpose" of art. It isn't meant to draw out empathic feelings per se, but to illicit some kind of emotional response, even revulsion or anger. Empathy isn't a necessary requirement. H.R. Giger's work for example. I don't think we need to empathise with his grotesque vision of human/alien forms in order to appreciate the artistry of them.

EDIT: Are you sure empathy is the goal here? I see it as more of a juxtaposition of adult consensual relationship drama or "angst" and the irony of the implications of rape being completely lost on the ONLY adult in the piece. Seems like he's comparing it to the awkwardness of being at an all adult party with several ex-lovers in the room, which is ridiculous, which is why I think it won, and rightly so, I might add.

Wed, 31 Mar 2010 18:27:00 UTC | #454505

Corylus's Avatar Comment 20 by Corylus

Colwyn

I would dispute the "purpose" of art. It isn't meant to draw out empathic feelings per se, but to illicit some kind of emotional response, even revulsion or anger. Empathy isn't a necessary requirement. H.R. Giger's work for example. I don't think we need to empathise with his grotesque vision of human/alien forms in order to appreciate the artistry of them.
Fairy nuff, and agreed. That was why I covered mah furry little butt by talking of empathy being about what "a lot" of art is about ;)

EDIT: Are you sure empathy is the goal here? I see it as more of a juxtaposition of adult consensual relationship drama or "angst" and the irony of the implications of rape being completely lost on the ONLY adult in the piece. Seems like he's comparing it to the awkwardness of being at an all adult party with several ex-lovers in the room, which is ridiculous, which is why I think it won, and rightly so, I might add.
Not 100%, I'll admit. That explanation sprung to mind because - quickly looking at the picture - it is not immediately apparent that the choristers are children. However, I admit that this might be attributable to the drawing style of the artist rather than a deliberate ploy to elicit first a sympathetic and then a horrified response.

Wed, 31 Mar 2010 18:31:00 UTC | #454506

Colwyn Abernathy's Avatar Comment 21 by Colwyn Abernathy

Cheers, mate, :) tho I did some additional thinking and edited it a bit.

EDIT:

Not 100%, I'll admit. That explanation sprung to mind because - quickly looking at the picture - it is not immediately apparent that the choristers are children. However, I admit that this might be attributable to the drawing style of the artist rather than a deliberate ploy to elicit first a sympathetic and then a horrified response.


Hmm...interesting. Hadn't thought of the artist's style being deliberately vague at first glance, and if so, it definitely alters the subtlety in a pretty deft way.

Wed, 31 Mar 2010 18:35:00 UTC | #454511

InYourFaceNewYorker's Avatar Comment 22 by InYourFaceNewYorker

HAHAHA

Wed, 31 Mar 2010 18:52:00 UTC | #454519

the great teapot's Avatar Comment 23 by the great teapot

I think the idea is that the thought is that of someone who has engaged in consenting sex and not someone who realises he has taken advantage of someone in a criminal fashion. Screwed and raped imply taking advantage in a vulgar fashion.
I am not jumping down anyones throat I just think the original is better. Almost perfect in fact- a worthy winner.

Wed, 31 Mar 2010 18:53:00 UTC | #454521

Colwyn Abernathy's Avatar Comment 24 by Colwyn Abernathy

I think the idea is that the thought is that of someone who has engaged in consenting sex and not someone who realises he has taken advantage of someone in a criminal fashion.


Fair enough, then I believe we both "got" the joke.

Screwed and raped imply taking advantage in a vulgar fashion.


It's also dismissive, which would have gotten the same point across, but in a much more direct way, also the double meaning.

I am not jumping down anyones throat I just think the original is better. Almost perfect in fact- a worthy winner.


Then please refrain from telling the rest of us what we can and cannot say. Fair enough?

Wed, 31 Mar 2010 19:00:00 UTC | #454522

the great teapot's Avatar Comment 25 by the great teapot

I only told two of you that you were wrong. And you are.:)

Wed, 31 Mar 2010 19:28:00 UTC | #454530

Colwyn Abernathy's Avatar Comment 26 by Colwyn Abernathy

I only told two of you that you were wrong. And you are.:)


Ah, malarky. You said that we "can't just change a word..." We can, and whether that's funnier or not doesn't change the fact that we can, and did. Whether it's better or not is purely by taste, and that you have a point doesn't mean you can tell us what we can or cannot say or like.

SO THERE! :P

Wed, 31 Mar 2010 19:56:00 UTC | #454540

the great teapot's Avatar Comment 27 by the great teapot

Ok I will rephrase.
You can say what you like but merely hijaking someone elses idea and changing a word wont win you a cartoon competition without being accused of complete plagiarism with no worthwhile additional value from yourself.
So there:P

Wed, 31 Mar 2010 20:09:00 UTC | #454541

Dwain's Avatar Comment 28 by Dwain

The artists originality is recognized and appreciated. The second caption idea is also good and illicits different style humor. It would be interesting to ask the artist about various caption ideas and how they might have changed. Do your ideas for captions change Lucas. Are the captions ever written before the drawings?

Wed, 31 Mar 2010 20:15:00 UTC | #454545

Sciros's Avatar Comment 29 by Sciros

Do your ideas for captions change Lucas. Are the captions ever written before the drawings?
Dwain, I'm not Lucas (clearly) but I like comic discussions so I'll answer for myself. I usually put together a "rough draft" of the text before I do a rough of the art. And I don't really come back to the text until the art is closer to finished, unless I randomly think of better text (or a better sequence altogether) during drawing.

For most comic books, the text precedes the art, although minor modifications (without changing the art) often happen at the end.

Wed, 31 Mar 2010 20:25:00 UTC | #454550

zatzme's Avatar Comment 30 by zatzme

What, no Mohammed cartoons? Why not? Hmmm, let me guess...
My point being that violent intimidation seems to work. Very sad.

Wed, 31 Mar 2010 20:41:00 UTC | #454559