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Science writer Simon Singh wins libel appeal - Comments

Bernard Hurley's Avatar Comment 1 by Bernard Hurley

This is fantastic news, but the UK libels laws still need to be changed.

Thu, 01 Apr 2010 11:14:00 UTC | #454830

PrimeNumbers's Avatar Comment 2 by PrimeNumbers

Awesome news but libel reform needs to continue.

Thu, 01 Apr 2010 11:15:00 UTC | #454831

Rich Wiltshir's Avatar Comment 3 by Rich Wiltshir


It's not the integrity of these businesses that's in doubt; just the validity of the so-called treatments they offer.

More progress will surely follow....

Thu, 01 Apr 2010 11:17:00 UTC | #454834

ateu luso's Avatar Comment 4 by ateu luso

Well done Simon!

Keep up the good fight, hopefully this will eventually lead to a thorough revamping of a ridiculously arcaic and absurd law.


Thu, 01 Apr 2010 11:18:00 UTC | #454835

Richard Dawkins's Avatar Comment 7 by Richard Dawkins

Thu, 01 Apr 2010 11:19:00 UTC | #454838

Roger Stanyard's Avatar Comment 5 by Roger Stanyard

Great news but the British libel laws still need to be drastically overhauled.

That fat crook Robert Maxwell once tried it on with me about libel.

Thu, 01 Apr 2010 11:19:00 UTC | #454836

dj357's Avatar Comment 6 by dj357

Thu, 01 Apr 2010 11:19:00 UTC | #454837

Yorker's Avatar Comment 8 by Yorker

How about a whip-round for Simon?

Yes, the law needs replacing - we don't need to keep feeding blood-sucking lawyers; helping him could result in good publicity for rationality generally and RDFRS.

Thu, 01 Apr 2010 11:49:00 UTC | #454852

Follow Peter Egan's Avatar Comment 9 by Follow Peter Egan


The necessary first step to reform.

Yorker, I'd be happy to spare a shilling for Dr Singh. Anyone know if such a charitable venture has been set up yet£

Thu, 01 Apr 2010 11:57:00 UTC | #454862

Yorker's Avatar Comment 10 by Yorker

It seems clear to me that many people who comment here don't appreciate the potential power we have. Simple statements of unity like helping selected causes are a good start, probably many of us can't afford to help financially but who's counting?

Those of us fortunate enough to afford a few quid can start balls rolling and see if any moss gathers. For example, I would certainly donate to Simon Singh's case if others would help.

Thu, 01 Apr 2010 12:04:00 UTC | #454866

ukvillafan's Avatar Comment 11 by ukvillafan

Anyone know if the Court of Appeal made the BCA pay the costs of the appeal and the hearing in the High Court or will the costs be determined once the trial has taken place?

Thu, 01 Apr 2010 12:08:00 UTC | #454870

wetbread's Avatar Comment 12 by wetbread

Whenever I'm feeling embarrassed about being American, I think about British libel law and feel positively liberated. I'm very pleased with the result, but there still needs to be a drastic change in the law.

Question: Do High Court decisions have the same legal weight as Federal Circuit Court/Supreme Court decisions do in the US? That is, does this decision set precedent that will affect how other cases are decided? Or does the decision just bear on the Singh case?

Thu, 01 Apr 2010 12:12:00 UTC | #454872

Bernard Hurley's Avatar Comment 13 by Bernard Hurley

Comment #475345 by Roger Stanyard

That fat crook Robert Maxwell once tried it on with me about libel.

Fortunately he can't do it again!

Thu, 01 Apr 2010 12:12:00 UTC | #454873

Art Vandelay's Avatar Comment 14 by Art Vandelay

Not the end of this bogus journey, it's just starting to get interesting. The BCA will look like fools now, whatever they do. This is an excellent result.

Thu, 01 Apr 2010 12:32:00 UTC | #454887

God fearing Atheist's Avatar Comment 15 by God fearing Atheist


Homeopathy is under scrutiny. The legal armour of the BCA now looks vulnerable. Maybe the Parliamentary science and technology committee can take a closer look at the medical claims of chiropractors.

Thu, 01 Apr 2010 12:35:00 UTC | #454889

VanYoungman's Avatar Comment 16 by VanYoungman

It's news like this that lifts the existential fog of cynicism and allows us to feel good about signing petitions.

Thu, 01 Apr 2010 12:38:00 UTC | #454891

Veronique's Avatar Comment 17 by Veronique

Yes, I will donate to a fund to help Simon Singh with the ongoing costs he will incur in the fighting of this ridiculous case. The right to appeal is only the start.

I would also like to see RDFRS start such a fund. The BCA has a lot more funds to draw on that a single person fighting for the right to make comments on spurious claims made by a vested group like BCA.

No costs are awarded until the case is heard and a judgement made. At least, that is my understanding. A damages claim has to be made before either side pays the costs of the other and that depends on which side finally wins.

It is usually settled out of court at the end, but not always. Singh needs financial help through the coming months (maybe years).

Don’t forget the Coalition for Libel Reform. That group needs support – at least with numbers.

edit I hope that RDFRS starts a fund because I would prefer to be associated with such a fund. It can only add to our profile.

Thu, 01 Apr 2010 12:41:00 UTC | #454896

Dr. Strangegod's Avatar Comment 18 by Dr. Strangegod

Awesome. Way to make my morning. Here's a high five from across the ocean fer ya, Simon.

Thu, 01 Apr 2010 12:47:00 UTC | #454899

epeeist's Avatar Comment 19 by epeeist

Comment #475413 by Veronique:

Yes, I will donate to a fund to help Simon Singh with the ongoing costs he will incur in the fighting of this ridiculous case. The right to appeal is only the start.
I seem to recall a fund was mooted, but he stated he had enough money to fight the case. Can't find the reference and I am quite happy to be proven wrong.

Thu, 01 Apr 2010 12:49:00 UTC | #454902

Lisa Bauer's Avatar Comment 20 by Lisa Bauer

Congratulations Simon! Let's hope the British libel laws get changed soon.

Thu, 01 Apr 2010 13:12:00 UTC | #454916

Muetze's Avatar Comment 21 by Muetze


Thu, 01 Apr 2010 13:17:00 UTC | #454918

chameleonpete's Avatar Comment 22 by chameleonpete

Well done Simon. A battle won, but the war goes on, but lets hear it for rationalism today.. Happy non-demoniational early Spring holdays!

Thu, 01 Apr 2010 13:37:00 UTC | #454929

hoops mccann's Avatar Comment 23 by hoops mccann

Congratulations Simon. It's a dirty job but someone's got to do it.

Thu, 01 Apr 2010 13:51:00 UTC | #454931

nwxi's Avatar Comment 24 by nwxi

Fantastic :)

Keep going!

Thu, 01 Apr 2010 13:58:00 UTC | #454934

archfarchnad's Avatar Comment 25 by archfarchnad

Wonderful news!! :) :) :)

So glad to hear the libel reform campaign has got off the ground like this but indeed, no one should be reting on their laurels. Libel law reform must continue in the good name of science.

Congrats, Simon,


Thu, 01 Apr 2010 14:27:00 UTC | #454944

Stafford Gordon's Avatar Comment 26 by Stafford Gordon


Pity about the £200,000 though.

Thu, 01 Apr 2010 14:54:00 UTC | #454960

SaintStephen's Avatar Comment 27 by SaintStephen

Who am I to judge, but it seems the chief judge Lord Chief Justice Judge judged judiciously in this adjudication.

Congrats Simon!

Thu, 01 Apr 2010 15:00:00 UTC | #454962

Ignorant Amos's Avatar Comment 28 by Ignorant Amos

Happy Days!

This, I'm sure, is both a relief on, and a burden off, Simon's shoulders. Probably the first proper, worry free, nights sleep in a long time tonight and well deserved too. He carried the banner for us all.

Thu, 01 Apr 2010 15:09:00 UTC | #454966

Shane McKee's Avatar Comment 29 by Shane McKee

Folks, whip-round yer arse! Get out and buy his books - for yourselves if you haven't read them; as presents for your loved ones (and for Chiropractors), for your local schools, etc.

a/ it'll make Simon some dosh, and
b/ it will spread a bit of wonderful science exposition.

Simon is one of our best science writers (OK, Richard, you are too), and both he and his subject deserve the widest possible audience.

I must also commend the judges on a very reasoned and readable judgement, reminiscent in so many ways of the excellent and riveting ruling by Judge Jones in the Kitzmiller case back in 2005. But a lot shorter, of course.

Thu, 01 Apr 2010 15:16:00 UTC | #454968

cat's Avatar Comment 30 by cat

I really hope this is not an April's fool thing.

Seriously, we're on a good track here. Congrats, Simon. And yes, the libel law still needs to be changed.

Thu, 01 Apr 2010 15:21:00 UTC | #454970