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PHARMA84's Avatar Comment 1 by PHARMA84

It's not only about dismantling the catholic church, don't forget about the other ugly violent religion.

Fri, 02 Apr 2010 03:44:00 UTC | #455153

huzonfurst's Avatar Comment 2 by huzonfurst

If I live to see the Catholic Church collapse it will all have been worth it!

PS: Meaning all of the crap I've gotten from religious a-holes over the years, not the far worse abuse suffered by these kids - no amount of spin could turn that into anything good.

Fri, 02 Apr 2010 04:11:00 UTC | #455155

Tony Thursday's Avatar Comment 3 by Tony Thursday

It is suffering. Clergy, priests, Catholics, Christians are suffering.


Interesting; nowhere does he mention any children suffering. Can someone please make the stupid stop? It hurts me.

Fri, 02 Apr 2010 04:24:00 UTC | #455156

andersemil's Avatar Comment 4 by andersemil

2. Comment #475687 by huzonfurst

As much as I concur, nobody gives up so much power that easily. Expect a few scapegoats, bribery, a few heads rolling and then that will be it. The vatican is way too powerful to come down this easy.

Fri, 02 Apr 2010 05:05:00 UTC | #455162

mmurray's Avatar Comment 5 by mmurray

The vatican is way too powerful to come down this easy.


More US lawsuits are what we need. Even heaven trembles before litigious lawyers.

Michael

Fri, 02 Apr 2010 05:36:00 UTC | #455165

Jos Gibbons's Avatar Comment 6 by Jos Gibbons

Comment #475689 by Tony Thursday

Well said. It is truly disgusting that this is as moral as Catholic clergymen's responses to the situation gets.

Re: RD's comments in the article - 2 objections:
1. There are Christians blowing u abortion clinics (very rarely).
2. I don't think a decline in Christianity will lead to more of even worse religions. It seems unlikely people alienated from Catholicism by this scandal will turn to Islam. Protestantism or atheism seem more probable.

Fri, 02 Apr 2010 06:00:00 UTC | #455166

SaintStephen's Avatar Comment 7 by SaintStephen

Scandal and schism? Nah. How about:

"Candles and jism leave Christians praying for a ‘new Reformation’"

Fri, 02 Apr 2010 08:12:00 UTC | #455182

nairbe's Avatar Comment 8 by nairbe

A new reformation, why not a new inquisition. Things sound pretty bad over there in Europe. Here in Australia the church seems to have weathered the child abuse storm with the congregation more frightened by terrorism and a constantly negative message from government that our way of life is under attack, than they are about having their children abused. Our wonderful clergy have used Easter (a pagan celebration)to attack atheists in Australia. It would seem that Richards recent visit to Aussie land rather ruffled their feathers. I don't get their problem, they seem to think we hate their god. Odd how they don't get that you can not hate what does not exist. But what i do find most entertaining is the way the clergy, despite much posturing and talk of equality and understanding still always refer to their god as HE! WOW they are a strange lot, pity they are so dangerous. Just imagine if Jesus was born again, the church would have him tried and put to death as an imposter faster than they can write an excuse for all the child abusers they protect.

Fri, 02 Apr 2010 08:42:00 UTC | #455190

MattHunX's Avatar Comment 9 by MattHunX

the total number of Groer’s victims amounted to as many as 2,000 but he was still a cardinal when he died.


2000!!! And he was one guy !!!

Who knows how many are out there right now, of whom the media doesn't even know about!!?

These sick bastards should receive capital punishment and the pope should be locked up...but that can't and won't happen! *spit*

Fri, 02 Apr 2010 08:58:00 UTC | #455192

Bernard Hurley's Avatar Comment 10 by Bernard Hurley

Rescind doctrine of papal infallibility.


This should be an easy one for the pope to do - after all he is infallible.

Fri, 02 Apr 2010 09:05:00 UTC | #455193

MattHunX's Avatar Comment 11 by MattHunX

Hey,

Where's the petition for Protesting the Pope's visit on taxpayer's money?

I think I've signed it already, but I just want to take a peek. The article says they've just over 10,000 votes, THAT'S PITIFUL! Where are all the people, damn it!

It's the same the Libel Reform petition, barely over 45,000! That's nothing!

Fri, 02 Apr 2010 09:06:00 UTC | #455196

MattHunX's Avatar Comment 12 by MattHunX

speed up discipline by better use of modern technology.


And just what the hell do they mean by that!?

The last thing secularism needs is for those catholic cockroaches getting more ways to get there message out. Modern technology (e.g.: Internet), should be OUR weapon, it's should destroy them, not help them.

Fri, 02 Apr 2010 09:12:00 UTC | #455197

Bernard Hurley's Avatar Comment 13 by Bernard Hurley

Put Opus Dei in charge of all Church communications.


I don't get this. Maybe the idea is that masochists are preferable to sadists. On the other hand they are pretty good at communication as their influence in the RC church is out of all proportion to their membership (about 90,000 world wide.)

Edit: If you don't know their attitude to free speech have a look at: http://www.odan.org/index_forbidden_books_new.htm

Fri, 02 Apr 2010 09:17:00 UTC | #455198

Bernard Hurley's Avatar Comment 14 by Bernard Hurley

Many see him as a worthy successor to Cardinal Sean Brady, who is expected to announce his resignation at Pentecost at the end of May.


Why not now? It's weird how everything has to be done in accordance with the church's calendar.

Fri, 02 Apr 2010 09:26:00 UTC | #455200

Duff's Avatar Comment 15 by Duff

Pope John Paul's "miracle" cured nun suffered a relapse! That's the funniest thing I've heard since Monty Python! Wait a minute! Is that an April Fools joke?

Fri, 02 Apr 2010 09:45:00 UTC | #455201

Bernard Hurley's Avatar Comment 16 by Bernard Hurley

Comment #475744 by Duff

Pope John Paul's "miracle" cured nun suffered a relapse! That's the funniest thing I've heard since Monty Python! Wait a minute! Is that an April Fools joke?


If she goes into remission it can be spun as two miracles instead of just one.

Fri, 02 Apr 2010 09:57:00 UTC | #455202

dochmbi's Avatar Comment 17 by dochmbi

@MattHunx, I'm not sure if the capital punishment is effective as a punishment, because obviously when someone is dead they can't feel anything. It's good for removing people from society, but not for punishing them I think.

Fri, 02 Apr 2010 10:03:00 UTC | #455204

Bernard Hurley's Avatar Comment 18 by Bernard Hurley

Comment #475747 by dochmbi

I'm not sure if the capital punishment is effective as a punishment, because obviously when someone is dead they can't feel anything.


From their point of view it just means they will get to heaven sooner!

Fri, 02 Apr 2010 10:17:00 UTC | #455209

black wolf's Avatar Comment 19 by black wolf

Mr Tatchell said: “The price of freedom of speech is that we sometimes have to put up with opinions that are objectionable and offensive. Just as people should have the right to criticise religion, people of faith should have the right to criticise homosexuality.”


Wait a minute. Should we have the right to criticise skin color?
And even if we do, criticism does not equal baseless condemnation, does it.
Not an easy problem to answer. Will we have to suffer stupid, lying sacks of shit and endure tediously standing up each and every time to tell them what they are for ever?

Fri, 02 Apr 2010 10:30:00 UTC | #455211

Papalinton's Avatar Comment 20 by Papalinton

I think the time is right for all people of faith to finally cut the iron age mumbo-jumbo from the all the various Christian bibles and re-write it to contain only that content which embraces universal moral, ethical and social traits that will fairly and truly serve all human kind. All that clap-trap about "My god is truer than your god, so there!" must be consigned to the wast-basket. The balance of the stories, legends and mythology that is not contained in a new spiritual and social contract for good living should be consigned to history. Christianity has had two thousand years to get its act together and clearly demonstrate, without cause for doubt, that to follow the moral precepts and ethical teachings of the church would clearly place their adherents a cut above the rest of humanity, particularly the four and a half billion people who do not believe in the Christian god.

The recent heinous crimes against CHILDREN in the USA, Germany, Ireland, here in Australia, and I suspect just about everywhere in the world is a testament that this notion is a fallacy; no matter how one tries to manipulate the facts.
I am so sad for my fellow humans who seem to have been so duped by the church over millennia.

Fri, 02 Apr 2010 10:32:00 UTC | #455212

Bernard Hurley's Avatar Comment 21 by Bernard Hurley

Comment #475758 by Linton Wilson

I think the time is right for all people of faith to finally cut the iron age mumbo-jumbo from the all the various Christian bibles and re-write it to contain only that content which embraces universal moral, ethical and social traits that will fairly and truly serve all human kind.


But if they did that they would no longer need their faith.

Fri, 02 Apr 2010 11:53:00 UTC | #455230

b0ltzm0n's Avatar Comment 22 by b0ltzm0n

If she goes into remission it can be spun as two miracles instead of just one.


And if she dies instead of going into remission could they claim JPII cured the disease by killing the patient?

Fri, 02 Apr 2010 12:29:00 UTC | #455239

F_A_F's Avatar Comment 23 by F_A_F

Scandal and schism leave Christians praying for a ‘new Reformation’


So they try once and it doesn't work. Give up already, quit flogging a dead horse. Another reformation is a big waste of time.

Fri, 02 Apr 2010 13:39:00 UTC | #455257

sara g's Avatar Comment 24 by sara g

I'm bothered by the attitude I was reading of "It's such a shame these children have damaged the reputation of the church by being abused." Nasty.

Fri, 02 Apr 2010 14:00:00 UTC | #455261

sara g's Avatar Comment 25 by sara g

The next time my child asks what super power I would like to have, I'm saying I want the power to reach through the computer to slap people. That guy who doubted there is conclusive evidence that child abuse is a problem in the church severely needs some sense knocked into him.

Fri, 02 Apr 2010 14:07:00 UTC | #455263

PERSON's Avatar Comment 26 by PERSON

"This should be an easy one for the pope to do - after all he is infallible."
What happens if an infallible statement is made that all infallible statements are fallible?
Probably it would only be applied to itself.

Fri, 02 Apr 2010 14:37:00 UTC | #455272

Bernard Hurley's Avatar Comment 27 by Bernard Hurley

Comment #475825 by PERSON

What happens if an infallible statement is made that all infallible statements are fallible?


This sounds a bit like the "liar" paradox. Except that there is nothing paradoxical about calling the pope a liar.

Fri, 02 Apr 2010 15:06:00 UTC | #455279

ridelo's Avatar Comment 28 by ridelo

Maybe they could reform into atheism. Bit hard but where a will is is a way (Dutch proverb).

Fri, 02 Apr 2010 15:43:00 UTC | #455283

Stonyground's Avatar Comment 29 by Stonyground

I wonder if all this will have any effect on the UK 2011 census? I was pretty astonished by the high number of people who declared themselves to be Christian (87% I think) at the 2001 census.

Since then religion has had a much higher profile and many of the news stories, besides this one, have been negative. Will the average Chino give it a little more thought this time before mindlessly defaulting to the Christian tick-box?

The article did make reference to people leaving the Church in droves, it will be interesting to see if any of this makes a difference.

Fri, 02 Apr 2010 17:22:00 UTC | #455304

chawinwords's Avatar Comment 30 by chawinwords

A new Reformation -- so be it said, so let it be written.

A whitewash by any other name is: the poops gone from the diapers.

Fri, 02 Apr 2010 18:13:00 UTC | #455311