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mbannonb's Avatar Comment 2 by mbannonb

This would be utterly awesome.

Sun, 11 Apr 2010 01:13:00 UTC | #457848

cdg123's Avatar Comment 1 by cdg123

Oh boy, this is gonna be an interesting year if Dawkins and Hitchens team up to bring this action.

And I say go for it! Countless children have been raped and molested and their molesters protected. If the Pope is the spokesman for god he should be able to defend himself in a court of law quite easily.

Sun, 11 Apr 2010 01:13:00 UTC | #457847

Russell Blackford's Avatar Comment 3 by Russell Blackford

Whoa, what a fascinating development. And not just from the point of view of exposing and challenging the Catholic Church. This is going to involve some juicy issues of international law.

Sun, 11 Apr 2010 01:21:00 UTC | #457850

bethe123's Avatar Comment 4 by bethe123

Well, the real question is, if there is a legitimate legal complaint, why haven't "the authorities" thought of this?

Sun, 11 Apr 2010 01:31:00 UTC | #457851

MarkSmith's Avatar Comment 5 by MarkSmith

I'll come, and I'll bring a banana bread. My dad used to make those when hurricanes were coming ashore In Florida.

Sun, 11 Apr 2010 01:35:00 UTC | #457852

Cartomancer's Avatar Comment 6 by Cartomancer

I didn't realise that the pope was being sent to Coventry. It's appropriate, but hasn't the place already suffered enough at the hands of right-wing Germans making a flying visit?

Sun, 11 Apr 2010 01:36:00 UTC | #457853

Justin Vasquez's Avatar Comment 7 by Justin Vasquez

@bethe123

Because the church is one of the most powerful and wealthy organizations in history whose sole purpose is to assert moral authority to justify it's horrific actions?

On a side note, can someone tell me how to quote a comment on this website. Can't seem to figure it out.

Sun, 11 Apr 2010 01:37:00 UTC | #457854

astrodad's Avatar Comment 8 by astrodad

Great idea from Dawkins & Hitchens. If they get anywhere with this though, no doubt the pope will cancel his UK trip rather than risk arrest.

Still a reasonable outcome and the pope would effectively be a fugitive, but him (and others) facing justice would be preferable.

Sun, 11 Apr 2010 01:42:00 UTC | #457856

Laurie Fraser's Avatar Comment 9 by Laurie Fraser

Bravo, Richard, bravo Hitch. This is a superb tactical move. If it works, at least in deterring Ratzi from setting foot on British soil, how many other campaigners in other countries will follow suit? We could end up with the beautiful situation of the 'moral' leader of the world being a prisoner in his own gilded cage. Once again, bravo, chaps.

Sun, 11 Apr 2010 01:43:00 UTC | #457857

Bala's Avatar Comment 10 by Bala

can someone tell me how to quote a comment on this website. Can't seem to figure it out.



Use this tag:
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* replace ( ) with greater than and less than symbols

Sun, 11 Apr 2010 01:44:00 UTC | #457858

Quine's Avatar Comment 11 by Quine

One of the other good things (other than the publicity) would be the forced disclosure of more documents. Also, it is time to dump the fiction that the Vatican is an actual state. Do we want every cult in the world going around with diplomatic privileges?

Sun, 11 Apr 2010 01:47:00 UTC | #457860

rod-the-farmer's Avatar Comment 12 by rod-the-farmer

How much do you want to bet the pope calls off his visit ?

Sun, 11 Apr 2010 01:50:00 UTC | #457862

DeepFritz's Avatar Comment 13 by DeepFritz

Is this what the bible meant by the end fo times for the Catholic Church?

Sun, 11 Apr 2010 01:58:00 UTC | #457863

mcbender's Avatar Comment 14 by mcbender

This strikes me as though it could be a bit of a PR mistake, although I'm sure they thought through that before deciding to do it (or decided that that didn't matter, with which upon reflection I find myself inclined to agree).

In any case, if they can pull this off, it will be brilliant. I'm not sure how confident I am that this will work, however... and if it fails, it might send precisely the wrong message to the people we'd be hoping to reach.

Sun, 11 Apr 2010 01:59:00 UTC | #457864

LWS's Avatar Comment 15 by LWS

If Ratzinger does land in the UK in the fall then this will be one heck of a protest. I'll be there too.

This could be the single most important action ever taken to free humanity from the spell of this dangerous group.

Sun, 11 Apr 2010 02:19:00 UTC | #457867

morgan.frank@bigpond.com's Avatar Comment 16 by morgan.frank@bigpond.com

Richard (or should that be Deputy Dawkins), I suspect that the most likely outcome is that Benny XVI won't visit the U.K. with this threat hanging over his head. However, that in and of itself is probably a good outcome. Let's hope a few other countries do the same thing.
If it does cause Benny to stay home, it might also make a few members of the RCC reconsider their stance. After all, if he has nothing to hide, why would he be hiding?

Sun, 11 Apr 2010 02:22:00 UTC | #457868

InYourFaceNewYorker's Avatar Comment 17 by InYourFaceNewYorker

Good for you, Richard! :)

Sun, 11 Apr 2010 02:23:00 UTC | #457869

markg's Avatar Comment 18 by markg

Book ‘em Danno… Er, I mean, Dawkins.
Lock ‘em up and throw away the key.*





*After a fair trial, of course.

Sun, 11 Apr 2010 02:29:00 UTC | #457871

mmurray's Avatar Comment 19 by mmurray

Well, the real question is, if there is a legitimate legal complaint, why haven't "the authorities" thought of this?


Is that rhetorical ? Democratic governments have catholic voters. They would stay away from this for as long as possible.

Great move Richard and Christopher.

Michael

Sun, 11 Apr 2010 02:31:00 UTC | #457872

helena!'s Avatar Comment 20 by helena!

This is a courageous and brilliant move! I wish Richard and Christopher success in any way possible.

Sun, 11 Apr 2010 02:37:00 UTC | #457874

LWS's Avatar Comment 21 by LWS

Ratzinger is to touch down in Malta in a couple of weeks. 45 priests there stand accused of sexual abuse of children.

"poster announcing Pope Benedict XVI's forthcoming visit to Malta has been defaced with a Hilter-style moustache and the word "pedoflu" (paedophile)."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/apr/11/pope-uk-visit-abuse-victims

Sun, 11 Apr 2010 02:41:00 UTC | #457876

Yorker's Avatar Comment 22 by Yorker

Good move!

At best they'll succeed, at worst Ratzinger won't show, either way it's bad news for paedophile enablers and a win/win situation for D&H!

Sun, 11 Apr 2010 02:42:00 UTC | #457877

Rodger T's Avatar Comment 23 by Rodger T

Ratzinger is to touch down in Malta in a couple of weeks. 45 priests there stand accused of sexual abuse of children.


Bloody Hell, is there no diseased diocese where these priests have not abused children?

Sun, 11 Apr 2010 02:45:00 UTC | #457878

Sulla's Avatar Comment 24 by Sulla

Justice needs to be applicable to all. A title shouldn’t stand in the way of the law.

Sun, 11 Apr 2010 02:46:00 UTC | #457880

bethe123's Avatar Comment 25 by bethe123

Is that rhetorical ? Democratic governments have catholic voters. They would stay away from this for as long as possible.


Impressive.
They would also stay away from it if they realized they had no realistic chance of winning, hence my original question...what exactly do the authorities legal counsel know that prevented them from taking a similar action. Voters? Perhaps, but I doubt it.

Sun, 11 Apr 2010 02:48:00 UTC | #457881

samuraisnoopy's Avatar Comment 26 by samuraisnoopy

This is great news, by all means bring him down, but how about we do the same with some of the crazy Iman’s who take great pride in the death they hand out.

Sun, 11 Apr 2010 03:01:00 UTC | #457882

RamziD's Avatar Comment 27 by RamziD

mcbender,

This is not about public relations for atheists. This is about bringing criminals to justice, no matter what title they may hold.

Sun, 11 Apr 2010 03:07:00 UTC | #457883

severalspeciesof's Avatar Comment 28 by severalspeciesof

Wake me up when September...

begins...

Sun, 11 Apr 2010 03:17:00 UTC | #457884

Eyerish's Avatar Comment 29 by Eyerish

This is an interesting propsition to arrest the pope. On the face of it is a great idea - I do actually agree with it. But bear with me for a moment to play the 'devil’s advocate'. If the pope was arrested and it was splashed around the world that Dawkins and Hitchens were behind it. It may send a powerful message that atheism is at war with all believers (not just the child abusers), and the millions of bishops, priests, mullahs, imams, rabbis who are still out there will continue to pour out vitriol against reason with even more vigour. It may actually turn out to be a saviour for religion by cementing in the minds of the believers that we are the immoral evil heathens that their leaders warned them about.

Let's face it one of the recurring things that we as atheists often go on about is freedom of choice - which like it or not includes the freedom for people to follow a religion if they so choose. I can almost hear the pulpits around the world screaming that atheist/humanists/secularists will ban all forms of religion if they ever got in power. Just imagine the priests warning the flock 'those atheist bastards arrested the pope so they are coming for you, your family, and your scriptures next, it is the beginning of the end of the world prophesy’. As if reason didn't have enough to contend with.

Of course we are faced with the conundrum of if we don't arrest the pope then we need to ask ourselves are we any better than the believers who support the church.

Could arresting the Pope be a watershed moment in history that could either send a message about the follies of religion and expose it for the fraud it is, or would it tell the religious to close their minds even further to maintain the faith.

There is no easy answer to this.

Sun, 11 Apr 2010 03:18:00 UTC | #457887

cdg123's Avatar Comment 30 by cdg123

On second thought, here goes the media attempting to pit Richard as shrill and strident once again. Does anybody else take offense to the article heading?

Richard Dawkins: I will arrest Pope Benedict XVI

Really? Is Richard saying he will be the arresting officer? Does Richard have the authority to arrest anybody? Of course not.

They are gonna present evidence to the English equivalent of the US Prosecuter's office to see if there is merit in bringing charges against a person who protected pedophiles and worse, unleashed them back into the domain of children after evidence arose....

"I will arrest the Pope" what a bunch of BS. I have to go back and read it to make sure I am not wrong here, but I just can't see Richard saying that.

What a crap headline.

Sun, 11 Apr 2010 03:21:00 UTC | #457888