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Bernard Hurley's Avatar Comment 1 by Bernard Hurley

Deep down, historically speaking, the Jews are God killers.


Yeah they killed a god who is still alive!

Mon, 12 Apr 2010 12:29:00 UTC | #458408

Cartomancer's Avatar Comment 2 by Cartomancer

Oh right. Of course. Because you'd have to have a bitter, centuries-long grudge against someone to call for them to be brought to justice for willfully concealing thousands of cases of institutionalised child rape. Either that or you'd have to be cynically manipulated by someone who does.

Well wouldn't you? I mean, normal people who are merely indifferent to each other would say nothing if they found out that their neighbours were running the world's largest paedophile ring. They'd carry on with cheery greetings over the fence every morning and continue to respect and honour those neighbours, letting them get on with all the savage cruelty to the vulnerable and innocent. No, it'd be really mean to do anything else, and obviously motivated by spite. They wouldn't report buddhists or muslims or atheists to the authorities or the media if it were them doing the abuse would they? No, obviously not - they're clearly singling the catholics out for the biased, partisan, heavy-handed special treatment of complaining when they sexually abuse young girls and boys and then pretend they haven't done anything wrong. Why can't these jews and gays just stop picking on the poor defenceless catholic church and let it enjoy its obscene stolen wealth in peace?

Mon, 12 Apr 2010 12:39:00 UTC | #458412

irate_atheist's Avatar Comment 3 by irate_atheist

I sincerely hope his remark is broadcast far and wide. Very soon they will be blaming the children themselves for being raped and sodomized by priests.

Oh, what was that you say, they are already?

www.typicallyspanish.com/news/publish/article_14332.shtml

There is outrage in parts of Spanish society following declarations made over Christmas from the Bishop of Tenerife, Bernardo Álvarez.

His comments were that there are youngsters who want to be abused, and he compared that abuse to homosexuality, describing them both as prejudicial to society. He said that on occasions the abuse happened because the there are children who consent to it.
‘There are 13 year old adolescents who are under age and who are perfectly in agreement with, and what’s more wanting it, and if you are careless they will even provoke you’, he said.


The organization is, quite simply, beneath contempt.

Mon, 12 Apr 2010 12:44:00 UTC | #458415

LWS's Avatar Comment 4 by LWS

This is so Falwell. I am picturing the men of the Vatican Executive Committee playing a game of pin the tail on the culprit. There is a display board in the office with interchangeable options that a blindfolded officer can select. The list of choices can be Jews, the New York Times, Feminists, New Orleans, Homosexuals, Liberals and most importantly Rational Thinkers, Atheists.

It is a bit of joke really to read the crazy stuff that comes out of the corporate H.Q. Calling the Vatican a nation perpetuates an absurd delusion as it is in all intents a business. Roman Catholicism is credited with creating and fostering Western Capitalism.

In my mind the Marquis de Sade's work revealed debauchery and corruption that is the hallmark of the religious.

Cry all they want inciting many continue to ignore the fact that sexual seduction of boys was always the traditional method of re-stocking the priest class. Let's not forget that in many jurisdictions even today priests enjoy diplomatic immunity style legal protection. This is so in Italy hence no indictments.

Mon, 12 Apr 2010 12:45:00 UTC | #458417

SilentMike's Avatar Comment 5 by SilentMike

Oh come on! The Jews did it? Really? You're going with "the Jews did it"? That's just so dark ages.

Mon, 12 Apr 2010 12:59:00 UTC | #458426

irate_atheist's Avatar Comment 6 by irate_atheist

5. Comment #479052 by SilentMike -

Oh come on! The Jews did it? Really? You're going with "the Jews did it"? That's just so dark ages.
More like the 1930's.

But, hang on, didn't one of these people quote this about the criticism of the Roman Catholic Church's cover up of child rape and torture?:
"The use of stereotypes, the shifting of personal responsibility and guilt to a collective guilt remind me of the most shameful aspects of anti-Semitism,"


http://www.france24.com/en/20100402-pope-child-abuse-paedophilia-anti-semitism-good-friday-catholic-church

And they claim to all be guided by the holy spirit....

Mon, 12 Apr 2010 13:03:00 UTC | #458428

blitz442's Avatar Comment 7 by blitz442

4. Comment #479043 by LWS

Cry all they want inciting many continue to ignore the fact that sexual seduction of boys was always the traditional method of re-stocking the priest class


This is a very strong charge. Do you have evidence for this?

Mon, 12 Apr 2010 13:05:00 UTC | #458429

Follow Peter Egan's Avatar Comment 8 by Follow Peter Egan

Well, of course. It must be a terrible plot by evil forces who don't want the dear old catholic church to continue its mission of raping and torturing children, supressing minorities, condemning millions in Africa to agonising and slow deaths, and spreading ridicilous falsehoods as truth. Shame on those people.

Mon, 12 Apr 2010 13:06:00 UTC | #458430

squinky's Avatar Comment 10 by squinky

"Jews are God killers"

Um, Jesus was a Jew and he became God on Earth and he didn't commit suicide...

Oh, I know. The good bishop is suggesting that Jesus started Christian monotheism which destroyed Rome's pantheon of Gods (poor Minerva! Apollo, we hardly knew ye). Who knew this Catholic was a closet polytheist£

Mon, 12 Apr 2010 13:07:00 UTC | #458432

GodlessHeathen's Avatar Comment 9 by GodlessHeathen

by irate_atheist
And they claim to all be guided by the holy spirit....

They are guided by the Holy Spirit. It's just that the Holy Spirit is batchit crazy.

Seriously, if an organization can be said to have gone insane, the RCC is an example.

Mon, 12 Apr 2010 13:07:00 UTC | #458431

crookedshoes's Avatar Comment 11 by crookedshoes

I always thought Jesus did commit suicide. After all he could have saved himself at any time before during (and in fantasy land; after) his ordeal. I have always argued with the faithful that this is a clear cut suicide.

Mon, 12 Apr 2010 13:17:00 UTC | #458436

david k's Avatar Comment 12 by david k

You did. Did not. Don't lie. No, you don't lie. MOM!

Like two little kids.

10 minuite time out for both ya.

Mon, 12 Apr 2010 13:22:00 UTC | #458439

Peacebeuponme's Avatar Comment 13 by Peacebeuponme

This seems like a storm in a teacup to me. One batty old eyetie is not really speaking for the whole of the Catholic church. Just as the hardcore Haredis do not speak for all Jews.

Far more important to keep pressing the issue of Roland directly covering up abuse, and concealing it from the authorities.

This is a distracting side-show.

Mon, 12 Apr 2010 13:24:00 UTC | #458440

Cartomancer's Avatar Comment 14 by Cartomancer

I always thought Jesus did commit suicide. After all he could have saved himself at any time before during (and in fantasy land; after) his ordeal. I have always argued with the faithful that this is a clear cut suicide.
According to at least one medieval theologian, you're right about that. Robert Grosseteste (c.1170-1235) argued that jesus's sacrifice was to undergo the most powerful pain there is by willingly separating his own soul from his own body - something only god himself could do, because the human soul lacks the power to do this itself. The torments and tortures he underwent on the cross were actually irrelevant according to Grosseteste's model, since the denial of the soul's greatest desire - to animate a body - is infinitely more painful to it than anything that can be done to it via a body by way of torment. This had the convenient side-effect of explaining how christ's salvific mission was supposed to be inevitable, pre-ordained and at god's command, rather than conducted by accident through the punitive offices of the Roman state.

Mon, 12 Apr 2010 13:25:00 UTC | #458441

mcek's Avatar Comment 15 by mcek

Poke it with a stick and the worms are coming out.

Mon, 12 Apr 2010 13:35:00 UTC | #458445

severalspeciesof's Avatar Comment 16 by severalspeciesof

Cartomancer (14. Comment #479067),

Thanks for that bit of history...

And, if memory serves me, Jack Miles in his book: "Christ: A Crisis in the Life of God" also alludes to the idea of suicide...

Mon, 12 Apr 2010 13:40:00 UTC | #458447

Tyler Durden's Avatar Comment 17 by Tyler Durden

Jebus definitely commited suicide, but only if you agree that he was the "Son of Dog" i.e. omniscient.

If Jebus was only human, perhaps not, as he could not know his fate at the hands of the Romans.

I think John's gospel, according to Biblical scholar Bart Ehrman, posits the human Jebus.

Mon, 12 Apr 2010 13:49:00 UTC | #458454

sara g's Avatar Comment 18 by sara g

Some people who want to defend the church would do it more of a favor by keeping silent.

Mon, 12 Apr 2010 13:51:00 UTC | #458455

Ignorant Amos's Avatar Comment 19 by Ignorant Amos

Roman Catholic Church?..get in the feckin' sack!

Mon, 12 Apr 2010 13:53:00 UTC | #458456

Agrajag's Avatar Comment 20 by Agrajag

3. Comment #479041 by irate_atheist on April 12, 2010 at 1:44 pm

Very soon they will be blaming the children themselves for being raped and sodomized by priests.

Oh, what was that you say, they are already?

No; they've already forgiven them:
http://www.theonion.com/articles/pope-forgives-molested-children,101/

The organization is, quite simply, beneath contempt.

Sadly, contempt appears to be on the bottom, taking it up the chute.
Steve

Mon, 12 Apr 2010 13:54:00 UTC | #458457

LWS's Avatar Comment 21 by LWS

blitz442 - If you have the time please read through this fantastic document:

A Manual for Pedophiles by a Brazilian Priest
http://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/a01p_DiaryBrazilianPriest.html

BBC, Panorama documentary - Sex Crimes and the Vatican - will be broadcast on CBC tonight. Ratzinger's name is mentioned throughout, the transcript is here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/panorama/5402928.stm

Covert within the machinations of the homo-bonding corporation is the seduction of effeminate boys for the priesthood. I can't remember which documentary had a priest actually saying this. When I was a student at a RC girls school way back in the last century the best looking boys never came to dances but were always at the local seminary. The place was cited with problems later on but that was quickly covered up well before we had the Internet to group problem solve.

I see that the Times (UK) won't publish Richard's letter of complain not are any of our posts added to their very provocative story from the weekend. Is it that there is a not so subtle desire to have a prominent person force the issue of indictment should Ratzinger land in the UK?

Mon, 12 Apr 2010 13:56:00 UTC | #458459

SaganTheCat's Avatar Comment 22 by SaganTheCat

ahahahahahahahahahahaha :oD

this get's better by the minute!

The catholic church has become such a brilliant joke, there's no need to come on here and rant about the corruption any more, just google "catholic bishop says" and read the latst headline. they may well put the onion out of business

we've had the rise of secularism causing priests to molest children and the church to cover it up, the liberalisation of the vatican causing priests to molest children and the church cover it up, the media causing priests to molest children and the curch cover it up, petty rumours have caused priests to molest children and the church cover it up, children have caused priests to molest children and the church cover it up...

they are clearly playing a game of seeing who can come up with the most ludicrous response to the public demand for answers, the last complaint was that the exposing of priests molesting children and the church covering it up was just like the worst parts of anti-semitism, just as that's published one bishop who's been racking his brain to come up with another scapegoat jumps up and triumphantly shouts "THE JEWS!"

well done.

surely as they see this as just a big game to get a scapegoat that'll stick they'll have to blame jesus...

Mon, 12 Apr 2010 13:57:00 UTC | #458460

sundiver's Avatar Comment 23 by sundiver

Does anyone here recall the scene in Spinal Tap where they're at the party to kick off the US tour and the woman running the record company supporting the tour tells Nigel " You, don't talk too much!". Methinks the cannibal cracker cultists might want to just shut up. It seems like every time they open their collective mouths they merely change feet.

Mon, 12 Apr 2010 14:01:00 UTC | #458462

The Plc's Avatar Comment 24 by The Plc

Dear, oh dear, oh dear.

Mon, 12 Apr 2010 14:05:00 UTC | #458467

Bernard Hurley's Avatar Comment 25 by Bernard Hurley

From the Brazilian priest's manual:

'God always pardons, but society never!'


Well, he's right about that!

Mon, 12 Apr 2010 14:10:00 UTC | #458469

Tyler Durden's Avatar Comment 26 by Tyler Durden

Meanwhile Italian media have reported that the Vatican is to issue guidelines on its website on Monday on fighting paedophilia.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8612457.stm

I can't wait to read this...

Mon, 12 Apr 2010 14:14:00 UTC | #458471

blitz442's Avatar Comment 27 by blitz442

Are these quotes genuine? The litany of Catholic excuses has gotten so wide and ridiculous that it is reaching Poe status. I am not sure if I could tell the difference now between parody and actual statements.

For those keeping score, the RCC and its minions have proffered the following in response to this scandal:



- This is totally a media fabrication. Petty gossip.

- Fine, some abuse occurred, but these are overblown, isolated incidents.

- Ok, perhaps not so isolated, but other institutions have the same issue. We shouldn't be singled out by the biased, secular media as a whipping boy. By the way, we have moral authority and special privileges that these other institutions don't have.

- Ok, ok, so there is some legit outrage because of a failure to deal with this, but this was only at a local level, the Vatican had no knowledge.

- All right, so the Vatican had knowledge, but the memos and letters showing this are taken out of context. We were taking steps to carfeully address a very complex problem. Yes, these steps did involve shielding priests from justice and putting them in situations that resulted in futher abuse, but you see this is a very complex issue that is best handled by Church authorities....

Ah fuck it, let's throw shit at the wall and see if it sticks:

- "Criticism of the Church is wrong. This holds regardless of whether the criticism is accurate."

Woah, way too transparent, let's try this:

"Criticism of the Church is like anti-semitism".

Much better, puts the attackers on the defensive and shifts the discussion away from the substance of the criticism.

- Or, the Jews are behind the criticism.

- The immorality of the secular world and repudiation of Christian values is really responsible. Or Satan. Or both. What, this makes no sense? Just stop asking questions already.

- It's the kids' fault, especially the older ones. They wanted it, you see. How could those poor priests be expected to cope?

- AH HELL, WILL YOU GODDAMN HEATHENS STOP IT ALREADY??? WE ARE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. HOW DARE YOU MAKE US LOOK BAD! HOW DARE YOU QUESTION OUR MANDATE FROM GOD! JUST WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE ANYWAY? WHY CAN'T IT BE LIKE THE OLD DAYS, WHEN WE MADE ALL THE RULES AND ANSWERED TO NO ONE?

Mon, 12 Apr 2010 14:14:00 UTC | #458472

blitz442's Avatar Comment 28 by blitz442

21. Comment #479085 by LWS

Thanks I will check it out.

Mon, 12 Apr 2010 14:22:00 UTC | #458475

SaganTheCat's Avatar Comment 29 by SaganTheCat

you know these knee-jerk, bitter, hate-filled responses coming from reps of the church in the face of, in all fairness, quite reasoned questioning are something I've seen before but up to now couldn't put my finger on it

then I suddenly had an image of a hollywood-style excorcism

just a meangless post but wanted to share...

[edit] more "Reposessed" than "The Excorcist" though

Mon, 12 Apr 2010 14:27:00 UTC | #458476

Bernard Hurley's Avatar Comment 30 by Bernard Hurley

I've just been round to the local shop and there was a young lady there ranting on about how the church was being persecuted. I didn't quite know what to say so I left quickly with my bread and orange juice. It did strike me that in the old days if you wanted to persecute the church you had to cover yourself in woad and incite a mob or go to the expense of keeping a pride of lions. But now technology has advanced to the point where you can do all on your laptop in the comfort of your own home. less work but not half as much fun.

Mon, 12 Apr 2010 14:29:00 UTC | #458477