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PrimeNumbers's Avatar Comment 1 by PrimeNumbers

So the blame has been Jews, the secularization of society and now homosexuals. I wonder when they will accept the blame themselves, where it truly belongs.

Tue, 13 Apr 2010 12:45:00 UTC | #458814

Lord Osis's Avatar Comment 2 by Lord Osis

Oh dear. They just can't help themselves can they. Fucking unbelievable really. Surely the fence sitters must be seeing through all this filth? Anyway, this should be interesting....

Tue, 13 Apr 2010 12:51:00 UTC | #458820

mlgatheist's Avatar Comment 4 by mlgatheist

The catholic church is and has been one of the biggest pushers of bigotry, hatred, anti-semitism, and homophobia.

It is time that all governments of the world step in and put a halt to all of these lies and hate-speech. Islam is another pusher of bigotry, hatred, anti-semitism, and homophobia.
It should not be allowed to continue spreading its hate speech.

Tue, 13 Apr 2010 12:54:00 UTC | #458825

Lord Osis's Avatar Comment 3 by Lord Osis

Tue, 13 Apr 2010 12:54:00 UTC | #458823

hungarianelephant's Avatar Comment 5 by hungarianelephant

I smell a false dichotomy.

This really is a surreal defence. Yes, your honour, it's entirely true that my international debt collection agency employed a lot of people who turned out to be violent thugs, and that I protected them by moving them around, getting the people they maimed to sign confidentiality agreements, and setting up an intricate web of shell companies to employ them. But there is no relationship between my employee weight requirement and a propensity to violence. No, apparently it's because they didn't get enough hugs as children.

Look at the shiny-shiny. No, don't look over there, look at the shiny. See the shiny-shiny. Doesn't it shine? (Continue until the press finds a juicy story about a cabinet minister, three metres of silk rope and a bowl of satsumas.)

Tue, 13 Apr 2010 12:58:00 UTC | #458830

kevinfawl's Avatar Comment 6 by kevinfawl

We live in a very strange world indeed.
Here we have a religous, anti-sex, organisation making up psycho/socialogical nonsense to aportion blame to anyone but themselves for the horrendous, stomach-churning, crimes they either commit or condone.
I am willing to petition in the UK for the arrest of the pope and have the whole disgusting system brought to their knees and face justice.
The crimes they have comitted are just the tip of the iceberg. This has been going on for centuries. It is systemic. It scares me to think what these so called priests think about and get up to when taking a sex based confession - it must make their day.

Tue, 13 Apr 2010 13:01:00 UTC | #458831

jimbob's Avatar Comment 7 by jimbob

I'd say it's more linked to the emotional abuse priests subject people to -- especially children. Convince them about hellfire, tell them they will burn if they disobey the priest and Voila -- it's open season! Perhaps it's not so much abstinence that makes the priest go fondle -- as indoctrinated obedience lets the priests go fondle?

Tue, 13 Apr 2010 13:02:00 UTC | #458832

Steve Zara's Avatar Comment 8 by Steve Zara

But many others have demonstrated, I have been told recently, that there is a relation between homosexuality and pedophilia.


This is just plain lying. Homosexuality is not categorized as a mental illness, whereas paedophilia certainly is. Active paedophilia is a form of rape. To say that homosexuality can lead to a tendency to rape is outrageous nonsense.

"I have been told recently" is just a slimy way of indicating wishful thinking not directly backed up by medical evidence.

Tue, 13 Apr 2010 13:08:00 UTC | #458839

GodlessHeathen's Avatar Comment 9 by GodlessHeathen

It never fails to boggle my mind that people say thing like Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone has said.

I mean, talk about missing the point. No matter what the "cause" of the pedophilia, the rest of the church is clearly culpable for trying to cover it up. That's the point, you dim-witted silly hat wearing imbeciles!

*headdesk*

Tue, 13 Apr 2010 13:10:00 UTC | #458842

Brampton's Avatar Comment 10 by Brampton

I'm reminded of Jon Lovitz's wonderful SNL character, the Pathological Liar. "It must be the gays... yeah, yeah, that's the ticket. And a media conspiracy, yeah. Yeah, there are so many people out to get us, it's like the... Holocaust, yeah, the Holocaust, that's the ticket.

Tue, 13 Apr 2010 13:11:00 UTC | #458843

Bonzai's Avatar Comment 11 by Bonzai

Sadly this line of defense would work because it appeals to existence prejudice against homosexuals.

The RC Church is beyond despicable.

Tue, 13 Apr 2010 13:16:00 UTC | #458847

pbarreto's Avatar Comment 12 by pbarreto

"Many psychologists and psychiatrists have demonstrated... But many others have demonstrated..."

Well, then, who are these unnamed experts? Where were their studies published? Surely there has been peer review, right?

(Oh my, statements like Bertone's are nauseating beyond measure...)

Tue, 13 Apr 2010 13:36:00 UTC | #458855

OverUsedChewToy's Avatar Comment 13 by OverUsedChewToy

Let's make a checklist somewhere.

People the catholic church has blamed:
-Jews
-Homosexuals
-The children themselves
-The Media (A conspiracy to undermine the church)

List of remaining "acceptable targets (in their eyes)" to shift the blame onto:
-Atheists/secularists
-Women

Anything else to add to the list of potentials? I'm fairly certain the "remaining" list will gradually shift into the "blamed" list at a steady pace throughout this.

Tue, 13 Apr 2010 13:38:00 UTC | #458856

Bonzai's Avatar Comment 14 by Bonzai

OverUsed

You forget secularists on your list of culprits. Some Catholic apologist on the "Ratzinger is perfect Pope" thread has been telling us secularism is to blame because it promotes unrestraint sex.

You also forget parents who gave birth to those delicious children, maybe that would finally get the Church to approve contraception.

Tue, 13 Apr 2010 13:47:00 UTC | #458861

OverUsedChewToy's Avatar Comment 15 by OverUsedChewToy

I lumped secularists in with atheists, because in my experience we're lumped all into the same boat when it comes to finger-pointing.

Edit: Ah, I see you meant I put it in the wrong side of the list. I think I'll stick to "official" word, but the loony's in the comment sections are duly noted.

Tue, 13 Apr 2010 13:50:00 UTC | #458862

jsvk13's Avatar Comment 16 by jsvk13

Please, please stop...no more of this. I am already nauseous over all of this depravity and stupidity...and yet everyday there is more and more and more...

But wait, God will forgive everything--or at least his emissary the Pope will do so for him--so I guess it is all okay in the end.

It is too easy to be a cynic these days...

Tue, 13 Apr 2010 14:00:00 UTC | #458866

Lapithes's Avatar Comment 17 by Lapithes

Another fucking Machiavellian lie. It's not as bad as the one about condoms, or the one about Jews killing Jesus, but it sure as hell deserves a stern response.
On the plus side people with low self-esteem can now be offered some perspective by being informed about this ... this ... (I can't do justice with any of the insults in my book, it's not like I'm ever going to emulate him in that respect.)

Edit: Here's a thought: let's make a website where all scapegoats are conveniently listed (with sources of course). We could kindly direct people to that page who are uninformed about the less than noble attitudes assumed by apologists. I don't think we should carelessly forget about all these accusations.

Tue, 13 Apr 2010 14:06:00 UTC | #458872

Monkey Man's Avatar Comment 18 by Monkey Man

This is not even funny anymore, but I can't help but laugh!

Tue, 13 Apr 2010 14:09:00 UTC | #458874

Tyler Durden's Avatar Comment 19 by Tyler Durden

"Many psychologists and psychiatrists have demonstrated that there is no relation between celibacy and pedophilia. But many others have demonstrated, I have been told recently, that there is a relation between homosexuality and pedophilia. That is true," said Cardinal Bertone
This is an utterly disgraceful comment by the Carinal and should be rightly condemed. (Even if it were true, why did they still deny all knowledge, move the priests from parish-to-parish?)

We reviewed some journal articles last semester in psychology with regard to homosexuality - paedophilia was never mentioned. This is yet another red-herring/smokescreen by the sub-human apologists for the Catholic Church:

Here are two peer-reviewed studies (feel free to search PsycINFO, EBSCOhost, or Google Scholar for more):

Child molester or paedophile? Sociolegal versus psychopathological classification of sexual offenders against children

by Steven Feelgood & Jurgen Hoyer

The main perspective that could improve the methodological quality of sexual offender research must, in our view, be interdisciplinary, combining criminological, forensic, psychological and psychiatric expertise. Research on child molestation behaviours should be well informed in all the above-mentioned areas. Holistic theories on the aetiology of deviant and criminal behaviour have been developed recently (e.g. Marshall & Marshall,
2000; Timmermann & Emmelkamp, 2005; Ward & Sorbello, 2003). They include generic factors for explaining criminal behaviour such as: (1) genetic/biological and early developmental factors, (2) insecure attachment, (3) pathological personality characteristics and irrational thinking styles, (4) inadequate coping and inadequate social skills, (5) mental disorders and substance abuse and (6) situational and environmental variables. As a consequence, research regarding the explanation of child molestation behaviours should try to include as many variables as possible from this list.

http://ehis.ebscohost.com/ehost/pdfviewer/pdfviewer?vid=6&hid=16&sid=e08f5f85-71ba-4388-8a6f-2eba7454e7db@sessionmgr13

The psychological life of paedophiles: A phenomenological study. By: Ivey, Gavin, Simpson, Peta, South African Journal of Psychology, 00812463, 19980301, Vol. 28, Issue 1

The obsessive and compelling attraction to children is powered by three interrelated motive forces:

(1) by projecting his own unmet needs on to children, and then 'loving' them physically, he loves himself and remediates his own childhood lack of affection. Although intensely attracted to children's youthful appearance and physical beauty, the primary significance of the paedophile's behaviour lies in his attempt to fulfil unmet childhood and adult needs for emotional and physical intimacy through sexual contact with children;

(2) his adult status in the eyes of a child gives him a sense of power and influence notably absent in his encounters with other adults. The paedophile feels temporarily strong, dominant, important and sexually adequate through his contact with children, frequently as a result of his self-perceived ability to arouse sexual desire and pleasure in them. Subject three stated, 'I had a very powerful feeling ... I could do something to a child sexually and he would actually enjoy it like I did'; and

(3) children's naive emotional responsiveness, warmth, and uncritical acceptance contrasts with his experience of actults as judgmental, punitive, and rejecting. Children are consequently perceived to be less emotionally 'dangerous' than adults.

The sex of the children seems to hold no importance for the paedophile. Rather, it is their positive responsiveness to him that magnetises them as sexual targets. The paedophile interprets his sexual overtures as being an expression of his love for children, and is aggrieved that his actions are considered destructive by others. Most subjects expressed feelings of affection toward their victims, and one subject elaborated on his 'gentle' handling of children as follows: I like responsiveness and closeness, and rape and penetration doesn't have that for a little girl because of the pain. That interferes with the fantasy and doesn't turn me on.'

http://ehis.ebscohost.com/ehost/detail?vid=1&hid=16&sid=3c51dc9f-18cd-4fef-be37-1041368e6b35@sessionmgr14&bdata=JnNpdGU9ZWhvc3QtbGl2ZQ==#db=psyh&AN=1998-02337-003

Notice the lack of "blame" attributed to homosexuality in both journals. In fact, both journals do not even mention it.

Tue, 13 Apr 2010 14:13:00 UTC | #458877

Dr Doctor's Avatar Comment 20 by Dr Doctor

So the RC church goes through its enemies list with gay abandon until it finds one that can stick? A useful strategy? I think not. I wonder how soon they will move onto blaming women, protestants, Islam, the collapse of the Holy Roman Empire and communism?

Lets get in ahead of them and work out a comprehensive list of which demographic they will alienate next.

Tue, 13 Apr 2010 14:42:00 UTC | #458887

QuestioningAuthority's Avatar Comment 21 by QuestioningAuthority

Dr Doctor: They could always 'blame it on the boogie...'

Oh wait, they've forgiven The Beatles, never mind.

Tue, 13 Apr 2010 14:55:00 UTC | #458893

sundiver's Avatar Comment 22 by sundiver

These guys are just full of excuses, aren't they? What or who are they gonna blame next, El Nino, sunspots, Nazi frogmen? Anyone still a Catholic either has their head in the sand, up their ass or is just plain stupid. I know, it's an ad hom attack but FFS, how much more evidence do we need?

Tue, 13 Apr 2010 14:57:00 UTC | #458894

MarkOnTheRiver's Avatar Comment 23 by MarkOnTheRiver

20. Comment #479516 by Dr Doctor

Lets get in ahead of them and work out a comprehensive list of which demographic they will alienate next.

Good idea. Are you offering odds?

Tue, 13 Apr 2010 15:04:00 UTC | #458899

sara g's Avatar Comment 24 by sara g

I'm still writhing about the girl confessing the sin of being abused.

Tue, 13 Apr 2010 15:29:00 UTC | #458905

The Plc's Avatar Comment 25 by The Plc

More obfuscation from an instituion reeling from a embarrassing scandal. It's an outrageous statement, as well as a mindnumbingly stupid one, as it will only bring more opprobium.

Tue, 13 Apr 2010 15:39:00 UTC | #458908

Agrajag's Avatar Comment 26 by Agrajag

24. Comment #479534 by sillygirl on April 13, 2010 at 4:29 pm

I'm still writhing about the girl confessing the sin of being abused.

I think writhing is a sin as well.

But many others have demonstrated, I have been told recently, that there is a relation between homosexuality and pedophilia. That is true," said Bertone.

Of course there is a relation(ship); they are both forms of human behavior. And there the similarity ends.
Steve

Tue, 13 Apr 2010 15:40:00 UTC | #458909

jaytee_555's Avatar Comment 27 by jaytee_555

Richard Dawkins has frequently suggested that childhood indoctrination into religious belief can permanently disable certain areas of the mind. He points out that many otherwise intelligent and rational people so affected, are unable to think straight when it comes to religious matters, beliefs and loyalties. This would explain why so many ordinary, decent catholics, with the facts of Ratzinger's culpability in covering up priestly child abuse staring them in the face, nontheless continue to excuse and defend him in the comments section of certain newspapers.

And it's the same willingness to ignore evidence in favour of wishfull thinking that creates religion in the first place. A better argument for getting rid of faith schools (where so much of this indoctrination of vulnerable minds takes place) would be hard to find.

Tue, 13 Apr 2010 16:02:00 UTC | #458918

righton's Avatar Comment 28 by righton

Wow. They just keep on digging that hole.

Tue, 13 Apr 2010 16:06:00 UTC | #458919

Eyerish's Avatar Comment 29 by Eyerish

I'm shocked!! Totally and utterly shocked that the Catholic Church would play the ‘evils of homosexuality’ card to whip up support – no; not the Catholic Church surely, after all they are bastion of fairness and honesty that is led by a man of such impeccable morality. Well not that shocked really; except I am just surprised that it has taken them this long to play it. The church has tried other pathetic excuses which are being seen for the desperation that they are and there is nothing like trying to rally the good Christian soldiers than a rousing round of gay bashing to stoke the hatreds by making false accusations. Unfortunately the church knows that there are plenty of mindless sheep in their flock who will lap it all up and it will be spewed forth verbatim in any discussion with the flock on the subject. The church has been crafting this meme for centuries that homosexuality equals paedophilia and unfortunately it will stick in the minds of most of the followers because it is easier than examining their own prejudices.

Don’t worry though because the next scapegoat is just around the corner and perhaps we should be taking bets as to which one it will be.

Let’s see now which one of the following will be used next….

They are not really Christians – already played.

The devil made them do it – ditto.

It is the victims fault for leading the clergy to temptation – has been hinted at already.

It was the gravitational alignment of the planets – not played yet but being kept in reserve.

The dog ate the letters recommending that the priests be excommunicated and prosecuted – an old favourite that sounds almost plausible to the gullible.

“I know nothing” – the sergeant Shultz defence, already played and the record is worn out. But don’t despair it will out on MP3 soon enough and playing in your local newspaper letters to the editor section.

It was aliens who conducted sexual experiments on the kids in order to produce a boy-man human-alien hybrid – not used yet but if the flock will believe in the invisible man, virgin births, arks and 40 day floods, etc… then why the hell not aliens as well. After all they are on a roll here.

It’s only a few kids getting fucked by priests, it’s not like they killed anyone – already played and done to death with the believers prepared to sacrifice the kids so they can think their collection plate money will actually go to good causes.

Christ told us to “Love thy neighbour” the priests simply loved their kids even more – I hope they don’t pull this sick puppy out of the excuses bag.

The priests were actually Muslim imams following Mohammed’s example – if used; guaranteed to start world war 3, watch out for shifty bearded men dressed in bulky oversized coats on hot days.

It was all Al Gore’s fault because of Global warming – the odds of this one being trotted out are shortening.

The priests were at least following Catholic Doctrine by not using condoms so they weren’t all bad – again if this twisted justification is used then I think an angry lynch mob of Ansell, Okumoto, and Durex workers will descend on the Vatican burning effigies of the Pope’s silly phallic hat.

It was all an Atheist conspiracy to dig up dirt on the pope – well they were bound to say that anyway.

Oh look, it is within the normal statistical distribution of society paedophilia – used already and discredited already.

We confess; we the Roman Catholic Church were really to blame for the evil that was perpetrated against these innocent children and it is completely our fault – the odds of this contrition actually happening are astronomical, anyone who has a dollar to spare for a bet will walk away a multiple billionaire, but don’t expect it to actually happen.

Tue, 13 Apr 2010 16:12:00 UTC | #458922

Ivan The Not So Bad's Avatar Comment 30 by Ivan The Not So Bad

Dear Cardinal Certifiable Toss Head,

WTF are you on? Who let you out?

So the nutter offensive continues with more offensive nuttery does it you nasty shite-for-brains denialist buffoon?

Last week you were comparing yourselves to the Jews - a small group reviled on the basis of false, sweeping and offensive stereotypes.

This week you defend yourselves by way of trying to blame a small group reviled on the basis of false, sweeping and offensive stereotypes.

Genius.

So far, it's been the fault of secularists, Jews, homosexuals, the Devil, liberalism and the media.

Instead of the child-raping priests and those who covered it up, it seems you are telling us now we should instead be blaming the secular Jewish gay anti-christs working for MSNBC.

You're just the tosser's tosser are you not?

I'd fart in your face if I thought my arse gas wouldn't be offended.

(For anyone actually interested in some intelligent background on paedophillia, try this excellent and detailed article):

http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/Articles/000,002.htm

Tue, 13 Apr 2010 16:18:00 UTC | #458923