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Lapin Diabolique's Avatar Comment 1 by Lapin Diabolique

"I think they should look for something more serious and concrete before we can respond to it," he said."

Yeah. A little more serious than all this bellyaching about kid fucking.

Tue, 13 Apr 2010 17:14:00 UTC | #458941

Chris Roberts's Avatar Comment 2 by Chris Roberts

Asked about this at a briefing on the pope's trip to Malta this weekend, Vatican spokesman Father Federico Lombardi scoffed.

"This is a bizarre idea to say the least. It looks like the intent is to make a public opinion splash. I think they should look for something more serious and concrete before we can respond to it," he said.
Which sums up the RCC's attitude to this perfectly.
Child rape isn't serious.

Morally bankrupt.

Tue, 13 Apr 2010 17:15:00 UTC | #458943

Summer Seale's Avatar Comment 3 by Summer Seale

Ah, but remember everyone: without these religious figures in our lives, we would have absolutely no moral guidance!

Aren't you glad they can show us how we should all act towards one another?

Tue, 13 Apr 2010 17:21:00 UTC | #458948

Corylus's Avatar Comment 4 by Corylus

Asked about this at a briefing on the pope's trip to Malta this weekend, Vatican spokesman Father Federico Lombardi scoffed.
If a wise man goes to court with a fool, the fool rages and scoffs, and there is no peace.
Proverbs 29:9

Just sayin'

Tue, 13 Apr 2010 17:22:00 UTC | #458949

Live_and_Learn's Avatar Comment 5 by Live_and_Learn

They really do believe they are above the law. Is it a state visit if the vatican is not really a state?

Tue, 13 Apr 2010 17:33:00 UTC | #458951

yanquetino's Avatar Comment 6 by yanquetino

I think they should look for something more serious and concrete before we can respond to it

Wha...??? Covering up crimes of child rape isn't "serious"? And his signature isn't "concrete"?

Incredible. What a world... what a world...!

Tue, 13 Apr 2010 17:37:00 UTC | #458954

nancy2001's Avatar Comment 7 by nancy2001

Some enterprising Italian composer should write an opera about this -- the Pope in Hell. Imagine how dramatic it could be -- Ratzi led into the courtroom in chains, a chorus of accusatory choir boys, and Satan laughing his head off as he watches the farce.

Tue, 13 Apr 2010 17:48:00 UTC | #458959

Rikitiki13's Avatar Comment 8 by Rikitiki13

"The pope feels that meetings with victims should take place "in a climate that is intentionally one of reflection, discreet, and not under pressure of the glare of the media, so he can have a real possibility to listen and communicate personally."

...we've heard about how priests 'communicate personally' when not under the 'glare of the media'. That's why there are victims in the first place.

Tue, 13 Apr 2010 17:55:00 UTC | #458963

helena!'s Avatar Comment 9 by helena!

They are sounding like MC Hammer big time now. Should be their new themesong -

"Can't touch this
Can’t touch this
Can't touch this
Can’t touch this

My, my, my, my music hits me so hard
Makes me say oh my Lord
Thank you for blessing me
With a mind to rhyme and two hyped feet
Feels good when you know you're down
A superdope homeboy from the Oaktown
And I'm known
as such
And this is a beat uh you can't touch

I told you homeboy,can't touch this
Yeah, that's how we livin' and ya know,
can't touch this
Look in my eyes man, can't touch this
Yo let me bust the funky lyrics, you can’t touch this...."

Tue, 13 Apr 2010 17:58:00 UTC | #458967

Stafford Gordon's Avatar Comment 10 by Stafford Gordon

There's no answer to this.

Tue, 13 Apr 2010 18:12:00 UTC | #458973

PrimeNumbers's Avatar Comment 11 by PrimeNumbers

Don't wait for him to come to the UK, arrest him now! Surely there's enough Catholic victims to put forwards a proper international law suit.

Tue, 13 Apr 2010 18:16:00 UTC | #458975

Muetze's Avatar Comment 12 by Muetze

Did Reuters jump on the Times' band wagon or has something changed? I though Richard had just been called by the Times and said that he agreed with the notion. This makes it look like he was one of the key players here.

Tue, 13 Apr 2010 18:31:00 UTC | #458979

Prankster's Avatar Comment 13 by Prankster


As if the matter isn't serious enough this be-frocked clown now comes out with this.......what a stupid, blind, venal, cretinous individual.

Truly monstrous.

Tue, 13 Apr 2010 18:55:00 UTC | #458983

Roy_H's Avatar Comment 14 by Roy_H

Would it surprise anyone if later in the year the pope suddenly decides to cancel his visit to The UK due to "Illness" ?

Tue, 13 Apr 2010 18:59:00 UTC | #458984

alaskansee's Avatar Comment 15 by alaskansee


Opera idea marked as genius. How better to beat up a frock wearing idiot than to play dress up too.

RCC = no morals no conscience

Tue, 13 Apr 2010 19:20:00 UTC | #458991

helena!'s Avatar Comment 16 by helena!

Just came across this nastiness from a crazy xtian site of course. More attacking and calling RD shrill and containing much insults - now he has a Napolean complex apparently - oh yeah for defending helpless children.

This lady is clueless and nasty herself for defending such monsters.

"The absurdity of the proposal, and its defiant refusal to acknowledge the facts of the matter – including the fact that Benedict has been completely exonerated of the charges made recently by the New York Times and other media – demonstrates that Professor Dawkins is suffering from the special kind of delusions that can occur when a massive ego combines with a willing and enabling audience of reporters.

He likes to be known as a champion of “rational” and “scientific” thought and asserts that since no one can see, feel, hear, touch, taste or smell God, or measure him in a graduated flask, there must not be one. But, not content with holding this fundamentalist version of materialism himself, Dawkins has remade himself as a kind of atheistic witchfinder general. His vituperative hatred for religion, and for Catholicism in particular, has transformed his public persona from respected man of science to that of increasingly shrill and humorless pedant. A crank, who does not know when the world is laughing at him. And it is sad."

Tue, 13 Apr 2010 19:22:00 UTC | #458992

blitz442's Avatar Comment 17 by blitz442

He likes to be known as a champion of “rational” and “scientific” thought and asserts that since no one can see, feel, hear, touch, taste or smell God, or measure him in a graduated flask, there must not be one.

If I ever come across the author of these words, I am going to ask her if she knows the difference between the following statements:

- There is no evidence that God exists, and furthermore the attributes commonly assigned to God make such an entity very improbable. Therefore, I am highly certain, but not 100% certain, that there is no God.

- I can't see God with my science stuff so there absolutely is no God

If she says no, I will tell her that we can safely say that she does not understand what she is arguing against, and that her opinion can be disregarded.

If she says yes, then I will ask her why she lies and falsely attributes the second statement instead of the first to Dawkins.

Tue, 13 Apr 2010 19:36:00 UTC | #458994

DeusExNihilum's Avatar Comment 18 by DeusExNihilum

"I think they should look for something more serious and concrete before we can respond to it"

Serious? Like...The rape of hundreds of children over untold decades and in scores of countries? That kind of serious?

Concrete? Like...Joey Rats signature on documents pertaining to the cover up and protection of the rapists? That kind of concrete?

I guess not! I guess they're waiting for an ACTUALLY serious allegation like "Child molesting priest used A CONDOM!" or ACTUALLY concrete Evidence like what they have for the existence of God.

@ Corylus

Incredibly poignant and relevant find, If I knew the Vatican Spokesman's e-mail address I'd make sure (and urge others to do as well) To e-mail him that passage.

Tue, 13 Apr 2010 19:39:00 UTC | #458995

helena!'s Avatar Comment 19 by helena!

@Comment #479625 by blitz442 on April 13, 2010 at 8:36 pm

You should email her these questions. She is obviously irrational as she equates being a "champion of "rational" and "scientific" as something bad. She even puts the words in quotes. How insane is that?

Her full article is here -

Tue, 13 Apr 2010 19:45:00 UTC | #458996

God fearing Atheist's Avatar Comment 20 by God fearing Atheist

The reaction of the Vatican was predictable.

It comes down to the available evidence and how good the lawyers are at making it into a case.

Of course, if the case is good, and the Vatican continue along that line, we are in for a treat in September!

Tue, 13 Apr 2010 19:50:00 UTC | #458997

Quine's Avatar Comment 21 by Quine

Comment #479627 by Helena M:

You should email her these questions.
Also send her this link to the "Lying for Jesus" thread so she can see her next set of arguments get shot down before she even bothers:

Tue, 13 Apr 2010 19:53:00 UTC | #458999

Rikitiki13's Avatar Comment 22 by Rikitiki13

(apologies to Elton John, but, hey...)

Hey kids, let’s all get together
It’s all just petty gossip
And good Catholics they know better
You’ve been left in our care tonight
So, please don’t frown
Confession is just what you need boys
When the pope’s around

Say, Candy and Ronnie, have you seen them yet
But they’re so perved out, B-B-B-Bennie and the peds
Oh but they're creepy and delusional
Oh Bennie he's real obscene
He's got a pointy hat, a Vatican flat
You know he’s coming here to see the queen
B-B-B-Bennie and the peds

Hey kids, just ignore the faithless
Cardinals are holy
And Bennie’s not contagious
We shall survive, we’ve been doing this so long
Because they’ll never get us into court
To find who's right and who's wrong

(chorus x2)

Tue, 13 Apr 2010 19:57:00 UTC | #459000

Mr DArcy's Avatar Comment 23 by Mr DArcy

This Lombardi talks like a poisonous snake. A suitable companion for Holy Joe. In fact it reminds me of Lord Voldermort and his serpent. Sneering at the opposition seems about all they are good at.

(Yes I am aware that poisonous snakes only ever talked in the Garden of Eden!)

Tue, 13 Apr 2010 20:49:00 UTC | #459018

pipsy's Avatar Comment 24 by pipsy

Not to mention all the compiled evidence against the Rat

Tue, 13 Apr 2010 20:54:00 UTC | #459022

Rich Wiltshir's Avatar Comment 25 by Rich Wiltshir

"I think they should look for something more serious and concrete before we can respond to it," he said.

Nuff said? The courts need to decide this, not us... bring on the lawyers, PLEASE!

Tue, 13 Apr 2010 20:58:00 UTC | #459023

nairbe's Avatar Comment 26 by nairbe

This really only confirms that the vatican truly does hold us all in contempt. They are so ignorant that they think that child sexual assault is not serious. It really is time the whole head of state thing was dropped as the joke it is. The catholic church must face its past and present. The next thing they will be complaining that the world has become a place of godless non-believers because no one will go to church. Really why would you take your family to a place with such a horrific history of abuse.

Tue, 13 Apr 2010 21:01:00 UTC | #459026

Rich Wiltshir's Avatar Comment 27 by Rich Wiltshir

There's no reason to go to court, because that's an unholy place that deals with EVIDENCE; how could religion possibly get involved in that - except for demand that witnesses swear on the bible (as the default option!!!)

Time to stand up to the wrongs that these idiots continue to deliver.

Tue, 13 Apr 2010 21:06:00 UTC | #459029

nairbe's Avatar Comment 28 by nairbe

unfortunately I think we all know that the fool won't end up in court. unless this issue really starts to gain some momentum in the media soon they will simply ride it out as planned then lean on there arrogance at the next world youth day. A much more disturbing matter is that the world seems happy to allow this to evolve. I really don't understand why there is so much fear of holding the church to account for its actions. Surely they realize if they had read their own bible that their god will punish all these clergy and church goers for more breaches of the good book than could ever be counted, just consider the wealth that these organisations control. The way they hold on to their clubs despite the fact they are all against the word of there own saviour reminds me of the way an alcoholic holds on to the bottle even though he knows it's killing him. sad very sad.

Tue, 13 Apr 2010 21:29:00 UTC | #459038

cdg123's Avatar Comment 29 by cdg123

Ofcourse the pope will never be arrested...but it sure is fun to have to see them squirm and try to hopelessly defend his actions.

I am not an attorney, so how do you arrest someone in Britain when all the abuse with the damning evidence comes from the US?

Would'nt the US have to convict the pope first?

This sure is fun though.

Tue, 13 Apr 2010 21:51:00 UTC | #459042

DeusExNihilum's Avatar Comment 30 by DeusExNihilum

On the comments surrounding "But he hasn't committed a crime in the UK" (or words to that effect) I thought he was caught under international law (UN Resolutions surrounding Crimes against humanity and Child Rape)

So he only needs to be in a member country or visit a member country to be detained.

Tue, 13 Apr 2010 22:01:00 UTC | #459043