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chalkers's Avatar Comment 1 by chalkers

That'll be a nice £20 million spared.

Updated: Tue, 04 May 2010 20:43:09 UTC | #462736

Quetzalcoatl's Avatar Comment 2 by Quetzalcoatl

Good, let him. It'll save me the cost of a train ticket and three dozen eggs.

Sun, 25 Apr 2010 18:38:00 UTC | #462737

Jomei's Avatar Comment 4 by Jomei

Convenient that he finds a way to duck Geoffrey Robertson's legal action. :]

Sun, 25 Apr 2010 18:40:00 UTC | #462740

the archangel's Avatar Comment 3 by the archangel

Sounds like a reasonable memo, what they complaining about?

Sun, 25 Apr 2010 18:40:00 UTC | #462739

irvine.intervention's Avatar Comment 5 by irvine.intervention

Hmmm I'm beginning to think all this was arranged: The Pope gets a nice excuse not to visit the UK, and the Government gets to unofficially disinvite the pope - or is that all too 'conspiracy teory'?

Sun, 25 Apr 2010 18:41:00 UTC | #462742

Luke_B's Avatar Comment 6 by Luke_B

Yeh, that's a nice excuse. Real convenient. A good way to avoid that difficult business of possibly being arrested.

Sun, 25 Apr 2010 18:44:00 UTC | #462744

Stonyground's Avatar Comment 7 by Stonyground

I was planning to pelt him with used connies, I had even started a collection.

I think that the Government has once again shot itself in the foot with their instant grovelling apology. Ratty is truly the personification of the naked emporer and our leaders are falling over themselves to apologise for someone stating that we can clearly see his arse and his willy.

Sun, 25 Apr 2010 18:48:00 UTC | #462748

The Plc's Avatar Comment 8 by The Plc

Surely the beatification of some long dead preacher is of more divine importance than the hurt feelings of a fully grown man? Who knows, Newman might be waiting to get into the Saints-Only golf club up in heaven or something.

Sun, 25 Apr 2010 18:49:00 UTC | #462750

the4thNeutralNuclide's Avatar Comment 10 by the4thNeutralNuclide

Now give the FO 'brainstormers' a 10% bonus from the £20,000,000 saved and the we can spend the rest on about 900 nurses, or even a school or 10 Sidewinder missiles...

Sun, 25 Apr 2010 18:50:00 UTC | #462752

bob.murray's Avatar Comment 9 by bob.murray

Let me get this right - "Senior Papal aides suggested the Foreign Office had not taken strong enough disciplinary action against those responsible for the document"
First post so please excuse the language!
You cheeky shower of hypocritical pricks.

I believe the F.O. sees itself as a family.
Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

Sun, 25 Apr 2010 18:50:00 UTC | #462751

AndrewP's Avatar Comment 11 by AndrewP

Indeed - if the visit is cancelled, that $20 mill should be shared out. Never happen.

But yes, I also get the feeling that a convenient excuse needed to be provided, and our F.O. kindly obliged. The F.O.'s diplomatic way of saying F.O.

"Senior Papal aides suggested the Foreign Office had not taken strong enough disciplinary action against those responsible for the document"
You cheeky shower of hypocritical pricks.

You got that right, Bob.

Sun, 25 Apr 2010 18:53:00 UTC | #462753

mikenreynolds's Avatar Comment 12 by mikenreynolds

"Sir Ivor, now president of Trinity College Oxford, added: “If it was a joke then it is in very poor taste. ""

If this is in very poor taste then surely raping children is also "in very poor taste".

This memo may have been circulated as a joke but I think most intelligent thinking citizens will agree with the sentiments expressed. If any enterprising manufacturer of rubber goods has the courage to market "Benedict Condoms" I would certainly buy them.

Sun, 25 Apr 2010 19:00:00 UTC | #462755

Tyler Durden's Avatar Comment 13 by Tyler Durden

My irony meter just asploded!

No-one has lost their job over the memo, which was sent to Downing Street and at least three Whitehall departments, and the civil servant who authorised it has simply been moved to other duties.

One highly-placed source in the Vatican said: “This could have very severe repercussions and is embarrassing for the British government - one has to question whether the action taken is enough.
Anyone else see the parallels here?

Good grief, that civil servant is free to write more memos in his new setting, quick stop him!!! Paedophile priests are free to resume their nefarious activities.

Sun, 25 Apr 2010 19:01:00 UTC | #462756

Duff's Avatar Comment 14 by Duff

It seems we all have the same impression; any excuse for the pope not to visit will do. I was waiting for something like this. He will never come, no matter how profusely the British FO apologizes.

Sun, 25 Apr 2010 19:03:00 UTC | #462758

Mr DArcy's Avatar Comment 15 by Mr DArcy

One highly-placed source in the Vatican said: “This could have very severe repercussions and is embarrassing for the British government - one has to question whether the action taken is enough.
“It is disgusting. Britain’s ambassador to the Holy See has been in to see the Secretary of State and explain what happened and this will all be relayed to the Pope.
“It’s even possible the trip could be cancelled as this matter is hugely offensive.”



Perhaps the Foreign Office should refer the matter of disciplining the author of the document to the Ministry of Silly Walks;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqhlQfXUk7w

Sun, 25 Apr 2010 19:05:00 UTC | #462759

Liln's Avatar Comment 17 by Liln

Wow. They really don't get irony in the Vatican, do they?

But how lovely for the papa to have en excuse to stay away from the UK.

Sun, 25 Apr 2010 19:09:00 UTC | #462762

PrimeNumbers's Avatar Comment 16 by PrimeNumbers

This is just getting dafter by the minute. I hope Ratzinger knows that if he doesn't turn up on British soil, Dawkins and Hitchins will claim victory and press on regardless with their route to see him in court to answer for his actions.

Sun, 25 Apr 2010 19:09:00 UTC | #462761

multifarious's Avatar Comment 18 by multifarious

I understand the CIA has no problem at all picking people from the safety of their laws and ship them off to either clandestine prisons or large open-air interrogation camps. Maybe the MI5 can take some clues there. Then it doesn't matter whether they play the insult-card or not.

I mean, it can be argued there's some structural terrorizing of the most tender going on. Doesn't that make them terrorists and in the run for some involuntary relocation?

Sun, 25 Apr 2010 19:10:00 UTC | #462763

Augustus Carp's Avatar Comment 19 by Augustus Carp

"Senior Papal aides suggested the Foreign Office had not taken strong enough disciplinary action against those responsible for the document.....
No-one has lost their job over the memo, which was sent to Downing Street and at least three Whitehall departments, and the civil servant who authorised it has simply been moved to other duties."

Perhaps the FO has simply taken a lead from how the Vatican deals with such appalling crimes. How can the Pope possibly be offended by this? Surely, copying is a very sincere form of flattery?

Sun, 25 Apr 2010 19:11:00 UTC | #462764

Pete.K's Avatar Comment 20 by Pete.K

Lets get this right; Pederast priests, who raped children, were moved to other posts within the church, AND allowed to continue their evil pratices, and yet the Vatican is complaining that a FO civil servant who wrote a humourous memo hasn't been punished enough with posting to another civil service position.

Are they taking the piss?



They've canceled the trip then, shame really, the sun is just starting to warm up enough to addle the eggs I've had for the last two weeks, the eggs I was planning to present to Ratzy.......... from about 300 metres!

Sun, 25 Apr 2010 19:11:00 UTC | #462765

Billy Sands's Avatar Comment 21 by Billy Sands

Senior Papal aides suggested the Foreign Office had not taken strong enough disciplinary action against those responsible for the document,


WTF, you can fuck childern and keep your job, but you cant offend the pope? Reminds me of apocalypse now - "We train young men to drop fire on people. But their commanders won't allow them to write "fuck" on their airplanes because it's obscene!"

Sun, 25 Apr 2010 19:14:00 UTC | #462766

Stewart's Avatar Comment 22 by Stewart

“We are not saying anything else as there is no need to ruin the good relations between the British government and the Vatican.”

Factually wrong, for a start: there is an extremely urgent need to ruin the good relations between the British government and the Vatican. Let's have a few more memos like the one that brought all this on.

Sun, 25 Apr 2010 19:16:00 UTC | #462767

Mark Jones's Avatar Comment 23 by Mark Jones

Fab; get the FO to issue more mickey-taking memos and we can guarantee the Pope stays away, and we save some money.

Sun, 25 Apr 2010 19:20:00 UTC | #462769

Billy Sands's Avatar Comment 24 by Billy Sands

Nice attempt to get out of being arrested your holy chickenshitedness.

BTW How dare Jim Murphy apologise to this monster on my behalf!

Sun, 25 Apr 2010 19:20:00 UTC | #462770

rbravery's Avatar Comment 25 by rbravery

Can we get this FO person on to Mock the Week or Have I Got News For You£ I think that he would make a welcome contribution.
Why is the FO pissing about with the Vatican anyway, it is only a figment of Mussolini's somewhat warped imagination£

Sun, 25 Apr 2010 19:21:00 UTC | #462771

82abhilash's Avatar Comment 27 by 82abhilash

Yes, it is an excuse. Excuses are not too difficult to find. If you stay away you may not get arrested. If you come the fall out will be bad even if you get arrested. I hope he will have fewer and fewer places that he can hope to safely visit.

Sun, 25 Apr 2010 19:22:00 UTC | #462774

mordacious1's Avatar Comment 26 by mordacious1

“I hope all concerned are ashamed of themselves and it leaves a very unpleasant taste.”


Speaking of things that leave an unpleasant taste...

*Hails taxi*

Sun, 25 Apr 2010 19:22:00 UTC | #462773

AndrewP's Avatar Comment 29 by AndrewP

So il papo stays away. Fine. Dawkins & Hitch declare victory, and the pursuit intensifies to all other countries planned for a visit. Eventually there are two possible outcomes; a) there's nowhere left for him to visit, or b) some government somewhere arrests him.

Sun, 25 Apr 2010 19:23:00 UTC | #462776

blakjack's Avatar Comment 28 by blakjack

Quote: "If any enterprising manufacturer of rubber goods has the courage to market "Benedict Condoms" I would certainly buy them."

The original document (including do a jig with the Queen, or whatever) was clearly in jest so for the RCC to take offence just shows how humourless its members are.

Question. The RCC doctrine is that sex is for reproduction only, hence the ban on artificial contraception. Older men who might benefit from Viagra are usually well past the reproductive age (well, certainly their partners are likely to be – unless the man is very lucky!). So does the RCC ban the use of Viagra (or Cialis and similar)? After all, it is purely a recreational drug (but it sure does work!)

Jack

Sun, 25 Apr 2010 19:23:00 UTC | #462775

mordacious1's Avatar Comment 30 by mordacious1

I'm imagining the pope in the bunker under the vatican...

Sun, 25 Apr 2010 19:26:00 UTC | #462778